Thread: 8 Superdelegates Switch To Hillary - Obama's Fall?

8 Superdelegates Switch To Hillary - Obama's Fall?

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Breaking: Eight Supers Switching to Hillary
by: Alegre
Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 16:52:28 PM EDT

Big news folks - it looks like our efforts in contacting those Superdelegates are starting to pay off, so keep on writing to them (ok, maybe Donna B's a waste of time). There are unconfirmed reports, based on phone banking efforts to reach out to Super Ds, that eight previously Obama SDs expressed that, given the opportunity, they would vote for Hillary at the convention.
I heard about an interview Will Bower of PUMA did recently, where he said delegates are starting to say they'll vote for Hillary in Denver if the DNC did the right thing and ran an open and fair convention. That means a roll call vote with Hillary's name put into nomination, and on the ballot.

So I shot an email to Bower to ask him where he got that info from, and here's what he sent me regarding the efforts of a friend of his


"A large phone banking effort to the super d's combined with Obama's flips and poor presumptive nominee performance, etc have yielded doubts within the super delegates, enough that 3 elected and 5 DNC members have confided that should they have the opportunity to do so, they will vote for Hillary."
Maybe this is why BHO and the Toxic Trio are pushing so hard to keep Hillary off the roll call ballot eh? I've been wondering what they're so afraid of now it looks like we have part of the answer.

Alegre :: Breaking: Eight Supers Switching to Hillary
I think Politico may have stumbled upon one or two reasons why the Supers are starting to take a fresh look at Hillary. The above news paints this article in a whole new light for me. MassLib touched upon all this in an earlier diary today re BHO being a PUMA but I thought this was worth another rant. The folks on the Hill (aka Super delegates) are getting pissed at BHO for the lack of effort on his part when it comes to fundraising, coordination and support theyre getting in their own bid for re-election etc. Todays Politico has the story

After a brief bout of Obamamania, some Capitol Hill Democrats have begun to complain privately that Barack Obamas presidential campaign is insular, uncooperative and inattentive to their hopes for a broad Democratic victory in November.
They think they know whats right and everyone else is wrong on everything, groused one senior Senate Democratic aide. They are kind of insufferable at this point.

From a total lack of effort re fundraising for Dems in town-ticket races, to little or no heads-up when he turns up in their district, theyre feeling more than a bit dissed and ignored by our presumptuous nominee.

OF course Democratic leaders paint a rosy picture, saying theyre working well together with BHOs camp and explain away the arrogance as confidence yada yada yada


Some Democratic leadership staffers complain that, having defeated the vaunted Clinton political machine in the primaries, the Obama campaign now feels a sense of entitlement that leads to arrogance.
One Democratic aide, speaking on the condition of anonymity, compared the Obama campaign unfavorably to President Bushs administration.

At least Bush waited until he was in the White House before they started ignoring everybody, the aide said.


Having battled Hillary Rodham Clinton into June, Obama hasnt had much time for the normal interaction between a campaign and Congress. And having to struggle to help Clinton pay off her own debt, he hasnt had the time or the resources to raise money for Democratic House and Senate candidates. (Emphasis added)
And oh yeah Pelosi and Reid didnt even know about BHOs big ol party at Invesco Field until it was announced during a presser. Thaaaaaaaaats right folks - they found out when the reporters found out. DOH! I mean I know hes the change candidate and doesnt want to be photographed with them (or Muslim women for that matter) but come on! Theyre the reason hes gotten this far on such a thin record in the first place. He ought to at least wave to them when they pass in the hall or something.

So as far as his failure to raise $$ its all Hillarys fault that he cant raise the funds he needs eh? The long campaign battle and helping her pay down whats left of her debt are eating into his time to reach out to down-ticket Dems and raise funds eh? Hes been struggling to pay off the last $5 million eh?

Oh PUHLEASE!

They've barely lifted a finger much LESS struggled. One hundred thousand? Pffft! With their donor base that was what - a handful of phone calls? Ive put more effort into fundraising than that poseur has!

And BTW... if he'd stuck to his promise and taken public fundraising he'd have EIGHTY MILLION DOLLARS in the bank - free & clear. No phone calls. No fundraising AND the money he's asking us to pony up now would be available to down-ticket Dems in tight races. But nooooooooooooooo! He sends out his demand that we cough up yet ANOTHER 300 MILLION before mid-october while wasting 3 million on a big-ass party at a stadium so he can control the message and split up Hillary's supporters among MASSES of O'Bots who aren't even delegates.

Ya know if I were a super delegate in a tight re-election race I'd be pretty pissed right now. He hasn't lifted a finger and has started replacing staff at state party offices with his own bots who focus on nothing but his run for the WH.

No money. No fundraising pitch. I'm sure they haven't and won't get a look at that golden list of his. He can't be bothered to let them know when he 's coming to town. And he's ripping the state party apparatus right out from under them so no support there - support that was put in place to help them is now being replaced by bots whose sole focus is to elect The Precious.

Yeah - I can see why those Supers are starting to take a fresh look at Hillary, and are swinging back her way. No way would Hillary ignore down-ticket dems or toss them to the curb the way BHO has.

H E L L O SUPERS?! Anyone out there??!?!?!

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delegates are starting to say they'll vote for Hillary in Denver if the DNC did the right thing and ran an open and fair convention. That means a roll call vote with Hillary's name put into nomination, and on the ballot.




I'm still a bit ignorant to the whole process so please forgive what is probably going to sound like a stupid question, but:

Is it possible to have a similar scenario arise on the Republican side? A roll call vote with someone else's name put into nomination and on the ballot......someone like Tancredo or Romney?

Originally Posted by azwreath

delegates are starting to say they'll vote for Hillary in Denver if the DNC did the right thing and ran an open and fair convention. That means a roll call vote with Hillary's name put into nomination, and on the ballot.




I'm still a bit ignorant to the whole process so please forgive what is probably going to sound like a stupid question, but:

Is it possible to have a similar scenario arise on the Republican side? A roll call vote with someone else's name put into nomination and on the ballot......someone like Tancredo or Romney?

Great suggestion AZ! Hillary is certainly not the answer, as her position on the illegal invaders is almost identical to that of McCain and Obama...

Originally Posted by NoBueno

Originally Posted by azwreath

delegates are starting to say they'll vote for Hillary in Denver if the DNC did the right thing and ran an open and fair convention. That means a roll call vote with Hillary's name put into nomination, and on the ballot.




I'm still a bit ignorant to the whole process so please forgive what is probably going to sound like a stupid question, but:

Is it possible to have a similar scenario arise on the Republican side? A roll call vote with someone else's name put into nomination and on the ballot......someone like Tancredo or Romney?

Great suggestion AZ! Hillary is certainly not the answer, as her position on the illegal invaders is almost identical to that of McCain and Obama...

Good morning NoBueno! and thanks. I agree that Hillary may not be the answer, but no Dem is this time around.....if ever....and McCain is certainly not what we want to see as the only choice for the Republican side.

I'm just thinking that there has GOT to be some way out and, if it can be done at the DNC, why not at the RNC? Geese and Ganders, you know.

Both Dems and Repubs are not going by the rules and seem to be making them up as they go along to protect the 2 presumed candidates.

Both are supposed to go by Roberts Rules during the delegate selection so yes it is supposed to be possible to elect someone else at the conventions and an example is Abraham Lincoln who was chosen at the convention instead of the presumed nominee.

That is why Ron Paul stayed in the race so long,he has tons of delegates who went to each state convention and were nominated to go to the National Convention.However once the RNC discovered what the RP followers were doing they started changing the rules to stop the election of RP delegates.

TX,LA,OR,NV and maybe more are among the states who stopped the election of RP delegates in very ugly battles which are still not settled.

Our Constitution is all but lost because of special interests groups.

Originally Posted by USPatriot

Both Dems and Repubs are not going by the rules and seem to be making them up as they go along to protect the 2 presumed candidates.

Both are supposed to go by Roberts Rules during the delegate selection so yes it is supposed to be possible to elect someone else at the conventions and an example is Abraham Lincoln who was chosen at the convention instead of the presumed nominee.

That is why Ron Paul stayed in the race so long,he has tons of delegates who went to each state convention and were nominated to go to the National Convention.However once the RNC discovered what the RP followers were doing they started changing the rules to stop the election of RP delegates.

TX,LA,OR,NV and maybe more are among the states who stopped the election of RP delegates in very ugly battles which are still not settled.

Our Constitution is all but lost because of special interests groups.

So no one else can be nominated and put on the ballot at the RNC? Or, that question just has not yet been settled by the courts?

You know, this is just surreal. It is mind boggling that our laws and rules can be being so brazenly and blatantly violated, that t is all not even being hidden anymore, and yet, not a damned thing is done about it. But just let one of us so much as not pay parking tickets and we'd be thrown into jail...............

Originally Posted by azwreath

Originally Posted by USPatriot

Both Dems and Repubs are not going by the rules and seem to be making them up as they go along to protect the 2 presumed candidates.

Both are supposed to go by Roberts Rules during the delegate selection so yes it is supposed to be possible to elect someone else at the conventions and an example is Abraham Lincoln who was chosen at the convention instead of the presumed nominee.

That is why Ron Paul stayed in the race so long,he has tons of delegates who went to each state convention and were nominated to go to the National Convention.However once the RNC discovered what the RP followers were doing they started changing the rules to stop the election of RP delegates.

TX,LA,OR,NV and maybe more are among the states who stopped the election of RP delegates in very ugly battles which are still not settled.

Our Constitution is all but lost because of special interests groups.

So no one else can be nominated and put on the ballot at the RNC? Or, that question just has not yet been settled by the courts?

You know, this is just surreal. It is mind boggling that our laws and rules can be being so brazenly and blatantly violated, that t is all not even being hidden anymore, and yet, not a damned thing is done about it. But just let one of us so much as not pay parking tickets and we'd be thrown into jail...............

Ron Paul is having his own Convention in Saint Paul at the same time of the RNC Convention. Who knows what will happen in St. Paul it could get ugly.

RP signs are already being installed in St. Paul one of them is from the forward of his book "Revolution;A Manifesto" it says "Truth is treason in the empire of lies".