Thread: Another BS story - Thinking on immigration must evolve

I thought part of being a responsible citizen meant not having more kids than you can support financially. According to this logic every next generation of families will have to have more kids than the previous generation so they can provide health care services for the previous generation, What a load of bull! According to the globalist there are to many people on earth as it is, now which is the truth? They can't have it both ways can they? If they think I'm going to let my family members be taken care of by un ethical illegal immigrants, they are mistaken. They are my family and I'll take care of them. Its just like the 3 and 4 year old day care centers, you let the government take care of them while you slave for the man! Yeah, right! They try so hard to sell this corrpution everyday. It just ain't working around my area.



Thinking on immigration must evolve.

MARCELA SANCHEZ:
02/08/08

WASHINGTON -- With Sen. John McCain now in a clear lead for the Republican nomination, it is safe to say that the days of "deport them all" rhetoric regarding immigration are likely over in the presidential contest. Yet, the anti-illegal immigrant sentiment will continue to loom large in this year's political contests at the state and local level.

What's more, immigration will remain so contentious around the country that Republican and Democratic insiders predict that comprehensive reform of the kind President Bush pursued but failed to pass will be a nonstarter for at least the next four years.

But even if comprehensive immigration reform is off the political table, the time for a sober -- and realistic -- assessment of immigrants and their impact on the U.S. has already arrived.

According to some demographers and urban planners, a serious discussion about immigration is taking place and in a different context: the unprecedented economic and societal demands caused by retiring baby boomers, the first of whom began drawing their Social Security checks this year.

Dowell Myers, author of "Immigrants and Boomers: Forging a New Social Contract for the Future of America," argues that policymakers will have to think of immigrants as part of a solution rather than a threat to America, as posited by many in recent years. A demographer at the University of Southern California who directs the Population Dynamics Research Group, Myers believes immigrants and their children will have to help the U.S. meet the huge costs of boomer retirement.

A significant shift will begin two years from now in what's called the "old age dependency ratio" -- the ratio of those economically dependent seniors to the productive segment of the population. Myers calculates that the dependency will climb sharply in the United States from 246 elderly per 1,000 working age residents in 2010 to 411 in 2030 -- a 67% increase in 20 years.

In other words, there will be fewer workers to cover the government's growing obligations concerning the elderly. To finance programs such as Social Security and Medicare, "you are going to need every worker you can get," said Myers. He estimates that immigrants can meet up to one-fourth of the challenge.

But workers will also need greater skills to earn more money and offset the costs of caring for the elderly. Some of those workers will continue to be the coveted skilled immigrants heading to Silicon Valley or the like. But a larger pool will be the children of immigrants, those coming of age in this country over the next 20 years.

Education will be key. Donald J. Hernandez, a sociologist at the State University of New York at Albany who studies the well-being of racial and ethnic minority children in the U.S., put it simply: "To the extent we invest in children, the better jobs they will have, the more money they will earn and the better it will be for the baby boomers."

Take housing. Over the next few years, many boomers will put their homes on the market as they move away from busy urban centers. In states such as Connecticut, North Dakota, Pennsylvania and West Virginia, there are already more home sellers than buyers.

Immigrants and their children could have a big impact on the housing market, just as they have in recent years. According to census figures assessed by Myers, immigrants represented 40% of the growth in homebuyers nationwide between 2000 and 2006. In California, Illinois and New Jersey, they exceeded by far the share of new buyers who were native-born. In New Jersey, in fact, all of the growth over that period was due to immigrant buyers.

Many other industrialized nations have the same problem with aging populations. Canada has begun significant overtures to attract new workers from abroad. The government in Ottawa is investing more than $1.4 billion over five years to provide newcomers with orientation, counseling, language training and work referrals.

Myers is convinced that during the next president's watch "this will be a bigger, a more dominant concern ... than the Iraq War is today." Policymakers already are reconsidering many attitudes about retirement age, Social Security benefits and taxes. But nowhere will the thinking need to be more different than when it comes to immigration.
Marcela Sanchez is a columnist with the Washington Post Writers Group (1150 15th St. NW, Washington, D.C. 20071). Her e-mail address is desdewash@washpost.com.

http://www.fresnobee.com/opinion/wo/story/382686.html

"Take housing. Over the next few years, many boomers will put their homes on the market as they move away from busy urban centers. In states such as Connecticut, North Dakota, Pennsylvania and West Virginia, there are already more home sellers than buyers. "

So, to satisfy my retirement wants, I should sell my birthright and not care about my fellow Americans and the American dream????
Isn't this the same economic belief that all in life is tied to growth?? Somewhere along the line, some great economic mind should devise a plan for stability that includes periods of status quo. What is happening in places like England, is a 0% population growth rate. Meanwhile in many Muslim countries , the birthrate is climbing. The native Muslim lands cannot provide jobs and sustenance for the larger population , so they move to England, Netherlands, Sweden , etc.

When they get there, they do not show their appreciation by being assimilated. They work at changing their new country to be like that of the one they came from. If this is allowed by the new country, then they are allowing self-destruction.

Meantime, the current "breed" of elected officials have been elected from a pool of people with the same birth defect---no spine. These officials have all the temerity they need when dealing with their own countrymen. They are quick to bring the law down on any of the natives who choose to protest, but let one native even SAY , one thing that is not liked by the invaders, (e.g.) Muslims in England), and the natives are chastised and even punished. I am reminded of many family situations I have seen throughout my life, where the children are scornful of their parents, treat them with disdain, yet treat their friends and acquanitances with all the respect that is due their parents.
Is it the water??? Has someone been insidiously tampered with our fluids for mind control??

I say the people should rise up and take their countries back instead of illegally migrating to other countries. Those in the second and third world should control their population growth or face the obvious, unemploment and even starvation.

And those in some countries should rise up and break the grip of the ruling class and improve their own economy instead of invalidly entering someone else's country and stealing the jobs.

Finally, in the countries being invaded, all employers who hire these invaders in order to improve their personal bottom line of wealth should be punished. There is a price to pay, for example, to live in a first world country. That price is to support your fellow countrymen, and , if necessary, to sacrifice a little wealth, a little inconvenience, to sustain the sovereignty that has given them the ability to prosper.

We send our young people off to war and while they are gone, their country is being invaded by an army without weapons. This army is supported by elected officials who get a large share of their support from those who would benefit by taking advantage of the unskilled illegal immigrants and the cheap labor costs. Meantime, our boys and girls in the military put their lives on the line for us every day while the cowardly employers back home are destroying the country they left.

Ouur troops have the right to return to the country they fight for. Not a country being sold out for the almighty dollar.

Amen Brother!

Yes, its all backwards. But you know according to the big business owners they make all the money and the jobs, not the workers, they just bum everything, they make no money for the business what so ever. Everything is PC and backwards, those that break the law aren't law breakers, those that want the laws enforced are biggots and breaking the moral laws of humanity. The people paying the taxes for the law breakers are scum while the money they make go to the criminal and partners which are the business owners and the politcians and to top it all off the politicians and mass media have succeded in brain washing millions of people into believing everything is ok and they can't see that they're very livelyhood and way of life are at stake.

The American people are biggots and racist and the bad guys even though our tax dollars go to help these groups and countries, but the mexican politicians are never brought up as they steal the billions we send to mexico in aid. I think these ethnic groups like le reza are good brain washer.Dear lord help us!

They always come up with some stupid reason they should stay. And, when that one plays out, they come up with a new one.

Originally Posted by ourcountrynottheirs

They always come up with some stupid reason they should stay. And, when that one plays out, they come up with a new one.

I've heard the story that Mexicans do a "better job" so that becomes the so-called reason for firing American citizens from their jobs. The old "we can't find people who want these jobs" becomes another lie. I have known very hardworking, cost-effective and sacrificing American citizens who have been laid off in favor of illegals because owners bought into the lie that "Americans can't do these jobs". Everywhere you turn in the workplace the typical conversation becomes nothing more than a pack of lies with a smile on your face. Ken Lay of Enron "loses" over a billion dollars then claims that the loss was caused by the media, not by himself. It has gotten to the point that when someone starts talking to me, all I here is "Lie lie lie? LIE LIE LIE LIE! Lie lie lie. Lie Lie Lie!"

The baby boomers are the worst generation this country has ever known because they believe that everything comes out of the next big lie they can invent...

Originally Posted by Chexfive

Its just like the 3 and 4 year old day care centers, you let the government take care of them while you slave for the man!

You just described in a nutshell why socialism is such an evil system. You "get" less and less from the system while the leaders that give you "benefits" skim more and more money out of the system. Then when the system fall aparts, the working man is expected to work harder and harder, while the "leaders" get richer and richer. It eventually devolves into a Pyramid scheme. Look at what Barack Hussein Obama wants to impose on tax-paying American workers. More taxes so that more billions will flow into the pockets of the rich who will claim that the money will be used for "beneficial" reasons such fighting "global warming". I am sure that those who complain will be accused of not wanting the tax because they are "racists". (which I hear often in Detroit).

You and I both know that with this "tax" billions of dollars will be mispent on unneeded offices, new cars, thousand dollar "meals", educational "expenses", relatives hired as "assistants" and so and so on.

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Obama's Global Tax

Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 8:24:31 am PST

Don’t look now, but Barack Hussein Obama has sponsored a bill that’s on the fast track to becoming law, that could impose an enormous global tax on the United States under the control of the United Nations: Barack Hussein Obama’s Global Tax Proposal Up for Senate Vote.

A nice-sounding bill called the “Global Poverty Act,â€

millere

Yes, those of us in the know have heard about this tax coming for 3 or 4 years now. I guess all those wacko conspiricy theorist were right after all. What a lot of people don't realize is what the rest of the story is these so called wacko's claim the future will bring, and it ain't pretty. We will be practicly living in hell. Will people rise up before its to late? Or will they be so brainwashed they will think their slavery is actually a great 14 hour a day adventure job? I was just wondering what is the use in having children if you aren't going to raise them and make them into unique family members? If you just see them an hour a day and one day on the weekends are you are basically doing is raising another slave body with the corporate indoctrinated mind to be another slave for the slave masters. The school system already talks of schooling 6 days a week here. Why fight China we are becoming just like them. As china has started to induldge in fascist ways so have we, and all it does is breed corruption of all levels, facets and people involved except the workers, they have no say and get no reward except a crappy life of nothing, while the businesses, the government and the politicians all have it made.

Originally Posted by Chexfive

millere

Yes, those of us in the know have heard about this tax coming for 3 or 4 years now. I guess all those wacko conspiricy theorist were right after all. What a lot of people don't realize is what the rest of the story is these so called wacko's claim the future will bring, and it ain't pretty. We will be practicly living in hell. Will people rise up before its to late? Or will they be so brainwashed they will think their slavery is actually a great 14 hour a day adventure job?

A co-worker of mine at a construction site told me about a job he once had working with illegal Mexican laborers. None of the Mexicans he worked with took a break, all day long, and they didn't even take time for lunch, so it was continual work from the beginning of the day to the end. Needless to say, when he took a 15 minute break, he was fired.

He also had an explantion that explains alot. According to him, some Mexicans who live in the desert keep their mouths closed to save water from being breathed out. When these Mexicans go to the US to work, they show up at the work site before the boss shows up. They then work in a continuous motion for a solid 8 - 10 hours without opening their mouths, eating or drinking or stopping for any reason at all. The American work boss usually fires his American workers after seeing this.

Originally Posted by Chexfive

I was just wondering what is the use in having children if you aren't going to raise them and make them into unique family members? If you just see them an hour a day and one day on the weekends are you are basically doing is raising another slave body with the corporate indoctrinated mind to be another slave for the slave masters. The school system already talks of schooling 6 days a week here. Why fight China we are becoming just like them. As china has started to induldge in fascist ways so have we, and all it does is breed corruption of all levels, facets and people involved except the workers, they have no say and get no reward except a crappy life of nothing, while the businesses, the government and the politicians all have it made.

Several years ago I did some research on the "reparations movement" that is still very popular with alot of congress people. A racism conference in Darfur Africa, sponsored by the UN, made suggestions such as forcing the US mint to print hundreds of billions of dollars in new money to give to wealthy dictators in Africa as repayment for the US role in slavery. The worst suggestion that came out was a proposal to allow police officers from Africa to come into the US and enter the homes of white people unannounced in order to see if whites had paid their "reparations". This was all the work of Kofi Annan during his time at the UN.

Expect something similar to this if Barack Obama becomes president. (Or McCain as his senility gets worse and worse.)

Look at the author of this article:

MARCELA SANCHEZ:

I wonder what her agenda might be