Thread: AP Warns McCain Could Win Electoral College

AP WARNS: MCCAIN COULD WIN ELECTORAL COLLEGE

Monday, November 3, 2008 4:55



WASHINGTON — It's a nightmare scenario for Democrats — their nominee Barack Obama winning the popular vote while Republican John McCain ekes out an Electoral College victory. Sure, McCain trails in every recent national poll. Sure, surveys show that Obama leads in the race to reach the requisite 270 electoral votes to win the presidency.

Sure, chances of Republicans retaining the White House are remote.

But some last-minute state polls show the GOP nominee closing the gap in key states — Republican turf of Virginia, Florida and Ohio among them, and Democratic-leaning Pennsylvania, too.

If the tightening polls are correct and undecided voters in those states break McCain's way — both big ifs — that could make for a repeat of the 2000 heartbreaker for Democrats that gave Republicans the White House.

In 2000, Democrat Al Gore narrowly won the popular vote by 537,179 votes. But George W. Bush won the state-by-state electoral balloting that determines the presidency, 271 to 266. The outcome wasn't clear until a 36-day recount awarded Florida, then worth 25 electoral votes, to Bush by just a 537-vote margin.

Before the 2000 election, political insiders had speculated just the opposite, that perhaps Bush would win the popular vote but lose the presidency to Gore.

One day before the 2008 election, Obama sat atop every national poll.

Enthusiastic by all measures, the Illinois senator's Democratic base was expected to run up the score in liberal bastions of party strongholds such as New York and California.

But the race appeared to be naturally tightening in top battlegrounds that each candidate likely will need to help them reach the magic number in the Electoral College, electoral-rich Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Virginia among them.

To win, McCain must hold on to most states that went to Bush in 2004, or pick up one or more that went to Democrat John Kerry four years ago to make up for any losses. McCain's biggest target for a pickup is Pennsylvania, which offers 21 votes and where several public polls show Obama's lead shrinking from double digits to single digits.

McCain faces a steep hurdle. Obama leads or is tied in a dozen or so Bush-won states, and has the advantage in most Kerry-won states.

The Republican's campaign argues that as national surveys tighten, McCain's standing in key states also rises and that, combined with get-out-the-vote efforts, will lift McCain to victory in Bush states and, perhaps, others.

"What we're in for is a slam-bang finish. ... He's been counted out before and won these kinds of states, and we're in the process of winning them right now," Rick Davis, McCain's campaign manager, said Sunday.

Obama's team is awash in confidence.

"We think we have a decisive edge right now" in states Bush won four years ago, said David Plouffe, Obama's campaign manager.

There's still another possibility, perhaps more improbable than the first — that McCain wins the popular vote while Obama clinches the White House.

True, Democrats have been fired up all year.

True, Republicans haven't been.

True, Obama and McCain have been faring about even among independent voters.

But there are signs that the GOP's conservative base has rallied in the final stretch and these voters usually turn out in droves, even if lukewarm on the candidate.

Then there's the question of a tie in the Electoral College. In that case, members of the next House would select the winner.

If Obama carries every state that Democrat John Kerry won in 2004, plus Iowa, New Mexico and Nevada, then he and McCain each would have 269 electoral votes. A tie also would result if McCain takes New Hampshire from the Democrats' column but loses Iowa, New Mexico and another state that Bush won, Colorado.

In an election year that's defied conventional wisdom time and again, anything can happen.

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In an election year that's defied conventional wisdom time and again, anything can happen.

You bet, it can.

Sure, chances of Republicans retaining the White House are remote.

I WOULDNT BE SO SURE. IT ALL DEPENDS ON WHICH PARTY IS QUICKER TO GET TO VOTING MACHINES AND TAMPER WITH THEM IN ORDER TO CHANGE THE VOTES.

Why is it a warning?

It should be read: AP signals possible lead or could favor McCain ect..

Why such a dire word?

Are they biased toward a specific candidate? Oh, not the LIBERAL MEDIA!

This article also discounts how unreliable the polls are. For example the polls had Obama winning the New Hampshire primary by a lot, but Hillary ended up winning.

People say they support Obama to a pollster so as not to appear racist, then vote the opposite in the booth.

I just had another thought. What if Obama won by only say 15 electoral votes? Because illegal aliens are (Unconstitutionally) counted in the census, blue Obama leaning states end up with 20 more electoral votes than red states. Or to put it another way, counting illegal aliens in the census gives Obama a 20 electoral vote advantage.

What if McCain lost by less than 20 electoral votes, would he argue to the Supreme Court that Obama should not have been given those 20 extra electoral votes?

Originally Posted by CCUSA

Why is it a warning?

It should be read: AP signals possible lead or could favor McCain ect..

Why such a dire word?

Are they biased toward a specific candidate? Oh, not the LIBERAL MEDIA!

That was my first thought too. What's with a warning from the AP?

I have the feeling that many illegals, who have the gall to vote illegally, would vote for McCain as he was the co-author of the Comprehensive Immigration Reform. IMHO...

However, La Raza knows that libertards like Obama are more likely to give amnesty and bennies to illegals than even someone like McCain, as McCain is more likely to give in to voters when pushed.

Well both candidates are devastation to the US, so whichever has the rigged electoral college in, produces the same result... Goodbye America, hello globalization....

Originally Posted by butterbean

Sure, chances of Republicans retaining the White House are remote.

I WOULDNT BE SO SURE. IT ALL DEPENDS ON WHICH PARTY IS QUICKER TO GET TO VOTING MACHINES AND TAMPER WITH THEM IN ORDER TO CHANGE THE VOTES.

BINGO!!!