Thread: Border Standoff Rattles National Guard

Jan 31, 5:24 PM EST


Border Standoff Rattles National Guard

By ALICIA A. CALDWELL
Associated Press Writer


DEL RIO, Texas (AP) -- A recent standoff between National Guardsmen and heavily armed outlaws along the Mexican border has rattled some troops and raised questions about the rules of engagement for soldiers who were sent to the border in what was supposed to be a backup role.

Six to eight gunmen - possibly heading for Mexico with drug money - approached a group of Tennessee National Guard troops at an overnight observation post Jan. 3 on the U.S. side of the Arizona-Mexico border. No one fired a shot, and the confrontation ended when American troops retreated to contact the Border Patrol. The gunmen then fled into Mexico.

But the incident made some National Guard commanders nervous enough to move up training dates for handling hostage situations. And some lawmakers have questioned why the rules prohibit soldiers from opening fire unless they are fired upon.

"Why would this be allowed to happen?" Republican Arizona state Rep. Warde Nichols said. "Why do we have National Guard running from illegals on the border?"

Nichols said until the rules of engagement are changed, the troops are little more than "window dressing ... to say we are doing something about border security."

"We want to untie their hands," he added. "We want to put them in a primary role."

The standoff was the first known armed encounter between National Guard troops and civilians since President Bush ordered about 6,000 soldiers to the border in May to support the Border Patrol and local law enforcement. The guard was supposed to be the "eyes and ears" for other agencies and was not given authority to arrest or detain illegal immigrants.

The men who confronted the soldiers were armed with automatic weapons and wearing ballistic vests when they saw the soldiers, split into two groups and appeared to be trying to surround them, authorities said. Before the Guardsmen retreated, one gunman came within 35 feet of the soldiers, according to a National Guard report. The outlaws' nationality was unclear, investigators said.

Republican Arizona state Rep. Jerry Weiers said the rules of engagement put soldiers in a tough position.

"My real, true, honest concern here is that we don't return fire until we have been fired upon, and by then we have probably lost a life," Weiers said.

Arizona's Maricopa County Attorney Andrew Thomas, a Republican whose prosecution of illegal immigrants has drawn national attention, called the incident "a deep embarrassment" that highlights growing dangers from well-armed drug traffickers and human smugglers along the border.

Texas soldiers will undergo additional training on what to do if they are separated from their teams or taken hostage or kidnapped.

"It mainly encompasses how to treat your captors, what to think about when you are in that position and what to do when you are being rescued," Staff Sgt. Henry Aguirre said as he watched three soldiers on an overnight shift survey the darkened Rio Grande just outside Del Rio.

Guard officials had planned to run the training later this year, Aguirre said, but the standoff "increased the urgency."

Several soldiers said the Arizona confrontation worried them.

"I didn't think they were going to get that bold," said Sgt. Samuel Perez of Savannah, Ga. "It's kind of been chilling that somebody is going to be that crazy."

First Lt. Wayne Lee, a spokesman for the New Mexico National Guard, said soldiers "are not supposed to get into a firefight. It's not the Sunni Triangle."

T.J. Bonner, president of the Border Patrol agents' union, said the soldiers sent to bolster his agents are unnecessarily at risk.

"It's not like some picnic down there," Bonner said. "Anyone down there enforcing the laws is going to be caught up in the violence."

Bonner said he worried that the soldiers apparently can only defend themselves "once the bullets start flying."

"It's a recipe for disaster," Bonner said.

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You may have seen yesterday that the National Guard Commander Radiczek was still totally trying to discount and spin the gunman encounter from early January. He tried to lower the number of gunmen again in yesterday's hearing and he tried to describe the encounter as a random coincidence.

Next he'll be telling us the thugs were carrying picinic baskets.

This is totally beyond corruption. Some people high up are getting paid to let armed gunman around our border!


President Bush what is your problem!!!!

We have a problem with terrorist at the border, close it!!!

We send the National Guard to Iraq and yet on our own border their hands are tied as to what they can do. These are proud men that deserve respect and backing. Why won't this government protect our borders? Our National Guard and Border Patrol are so limited to what they can do it boggles my mind. I'm trying to be civil here but this outrages me. I want our brave men down at that border (which we know is a war zone in some areas) to be able to hold their heads high and do their jobs with pride and feel they are appreciated. My gosh we look so weak as a country because of the situation down there. Where are leaders with backbone and common sense?

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My husband is supposed to go back down there this summer...hopefully they will allow them to have their guns then!

CUUSA wrote:

President Bush what is your problem!!!!

We have a problem with terrorist at the border, close it!!!

.....and President Bush we have a BIG problem with you....do your job or get OUT before you totally destroy this country with you pride, greed and corruption !

Moosetracks, I hope so too, that would be so unsettling to have a loved down there and know they could not defend themselves.

Bush is handleling our borders like the war in Iraq, he is a coward and does not want to get control. $$$$$$but we are tired of paying!!!

Right off the bat in he should have sent in some of those expensive stealth bombers we paid for and bombed Bin Laden right off the face of the earth, the stealth is pretty intimidating piece of equipment, why aren't we using to our advantage.

We are using the same tactic on our borders. Bush, arm our soldiers and tell Mexico to tell his people if they cross the border they are taking their life in their own hand, because we are about ready to bring out the BIG BAD BOY BOMBERS.

Quit pussing footing around Bush we are getting livid and fed up with you, if you can't handle it GET OUT!!!