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    Iraqi Christians facing deportation feel conned by Trump

    Iraqi Christians facing deportation feel conned by Trump: 'You vowed to protect us'


    Trump administration wants to deport more than 1,400 Iraqi nationals, most of who are Chaldean – Iraqi Catholics who saw Trump as a ‘savior’ but now feel ‘betrayed’


    Tom Perkins in Detroit
    Wed 17 Jul 2019 07.00 BST
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    Ten years ago, police caught the Iraqi Chaldean immigrant Rani Yousuf with a small amount of marijuana. He completed probation, paid fines, and the conviction was dropped from his record when he turned 21.

    Still, earlier this year, Yousuf found his car surrounded by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice) officers who arrested him again over the charge. He sat for months in a Michigan county jail facing the prospect of deportation to Iraq, a country he left at four years old. He has no family there, doesn’t speak Arabic, and is part of a religious minority targeted by extremists.


    “As a Catholic who has tattoos of crosses, and Iraq being a Muslim country – they probably would kill me,” he said.


    Yousuf is one of over 1,400 Iraqi nationals who the Trump administration is attempting to deport.

    Most of those are Chaldean – Iraqi Catholics – living in metro Detroit, which holds the world’s largest Chaldean population outside of Iraq.


    The administration’s deportation efforts are viewed by many Chaldeans as a shocking “betrayal”, not least because many in the community have been enthusiastic supporters of Trump and voted for him in large numbers in 2016.


    The generally conservative community with between 70,000 and 80,000 voters went big for Trump in the 2016 election in a state that he won by only 10,000 votes. They did so after Trump portrayed himself as a “savior” who would stand up for persecuted Christians. “Chaldeans For Trump” signs appeared at Trump rallies and in lawns in Oakland county, a wealthy metro Detroit area where the community is concentrated.


    But just months into the Trump administration, Ice swept up 350 Chaldean men and Iraqi nationals. Now, some Chaldeans hold signs at protests reminding Trump “You vowed to protect us”.


    “Some people thought ‘Here comes Trump who’s talking a good game about Christians in the Middle East who are being persecuted,’” said Edward Bojoka, a Chaldean immigration attorney.

    “A lot of people in the Chaldean community jumped on that and said, ‘Oh, he’s on our side’, and … some people feel like they were conned.”


    But while there’s unanimous disappointment in the administration’s plan to deport Chaldeans, some Chaldean leaders say they still view Trump as a “friend”.


    Among those is Martin Hanna, director of the Chaldean Foundation and publisher of the Chaldean News.

    He said that the political parties’ priorities force Chaldeans to navigate Washington in an unusual fashion – Republicans seem more interested than Democrats in protecting persecuted Christian communities abroad, but Democrats are more helpful on immigration issues.


    “People ask ‘How come you’re not denouncing Trump?’ We always say we need everyone … and we hope through communication with everyone we can find resolution,” he added.


    The Trump administration has deported about 130 Iraqis, and others were removed during the Obama administration.


    Ice repeatedly notes that those targeted have criminal records, but internal Ice emails obtained by the ACLU show Ice tactically targeted those with records first. It did so to “grease the skids” to more easily deport those with no criminal record later, said the Michigan ACLU attorney Miriam Aukerman, who is representing Iraqi nationals in a class action suit.


    Of the 1,400 Iraqi nationals with final deportation orders, about 800 do not have criminal records, and those with records were convicted of crimes ranging from minor offenses to more serious, violent charges, some of which occurred decades ago.


    The ACLU argues Iraqi nationals deserve new hearings in front of immigration judges because Iraq is far more dangerous than even a few years ago. Under US law, those who commit certain crimes can be deported, but the law also prohibits Ice from deporting individuals to countries where they will be tortured or killed.


    Aukerman said the vast majority of Iraqi nationals who receive new hearings are winning their cases because of that.


    Much of Iraq is now lawless and Christian minorities are still persecuted – about 1.5 million Chaldeans lived in Iraq before the 2003 US invasion destabilized the country, and only about 250,000 remain.


    The risks are greatest for Americanized Chaldeans. Some arrived in the US as children in the 1980s or following the 1991 Gulf war. Many don’t speak Arabic and don’t have a passport or Iraqi identification. Some no longer have family in Iraq, and would arrive with little more than the clothes on their backs. Some are veterans or worked with the US military.


    “The reality is they cannot blend in any more in Iraqi society,” said Joseph Kassab, the Iraqi Christians Advocacy and Empowerment Institute’s founder. “They do not speak the Arabic language, and they can be easily identified for kidnapping, killing, or for other punishment.”


    The ACLU is attempting to track those deportees and found some have been beaten, shot, have disappeared, or are “holed up in homes with machine guns” on self-imposed house arrest, Aukerman said.


    So far, Iraq has largely refused to take deportees, effectively halting the process, but the US is putting diplomatic pressure on Baghdad to change course.


    There is precedent for halting the orders. The Trump administration granteda reprieve to Liberians facing a similar situation, and could do the same with Iraqis.


    In Congress, the Michigan Democrat Andy Levin and Republican John Moolenaar introduced legislation that would grant Iraqi nationals with orders of removal two years of relief from detainment and deportation while they await individual hearing


    Like others who made it in front of an immigration judge, Yousuf’s story had a happy ending – after months in Ice detention, his deportation order was canceled, he was released, and he ultimately ended up receiving citizenship. Still, the lives of most of those targeted by Ice have been “totally destroyed”, Bojoka said.


    “The family lost the breadwinner who is in jail awaiting deportation to a place where survival is unlikely,” he said. “That puts fear into the heart of anyone who is affected.”

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    The majority of Chaldean Americans live in Detroit, Michigan,
    although there are also Chaldean Americans in Chicago, Illinois;
    El Cajon, San Jose, and Turlock, California; and
    Oaxaca, Mexico.


    Chaldean Americans - History, Migration to the united states ...

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    We allow them to come here, they commit crimes, and wonder why we want them deported?

    Stop bringing them here to begin with.

    Where in the Bible does it say dump yourself on another country, commit crimes against them, and then get a free pass? Mouth off and cry and demand to stay? What a bunch of ungrateful people. Deport them all.

    They fear for their lives back home? LOL...WE FEAR FOR OUR LIVES LETTING THEM STAY!!! They do not care about us or our country.

    They are a nightmare, putting "fear" into our lives every day, and we are worried about our future bringing all these foreigners here!

    Stop giving our citizenship out like candy!
    ILLEGAL ALIENS HAVE "BROKEN" OUR IMMIGRATION SYSTEM

    DO NOT REWARD THEM - DEPORT THEM ALL

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    If it's not safe for Christians to go back to Iraq, which it actually appears it isn't in many areas of that nation, WHY ARE WE ALLOWING ALL THESE MUSLIMS INTO THIS NATION which is Majority Christian?????

    AND WHY ARE JEWISH GROUPS ALLYING THEMSELVES WITH ISLAMIC GROUPS AND PROMOTING ISLAMIC IMMIGRATION INTO THE WEST??????????


    Jewish and Muslim activists form ‘intersectional’ alliance against Western societies

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    Sarsour and “Jewish Resistance” greeted by assorted SJWsA growing number of Muslim activists are openly aligning with Jews around the Cultural Marxist invention of “intersectionality”, which posits that “minority groups” are “oppressed” by the “white supremacy” and “white privilege” of the majority. “As our societies evolve, so too does White supremacy,” rants a joint editorial of a Jewish and Muslim website. “It succeeds when marginalized communities such as Muslims, Jews, Black and Brown individuals perpetuate racism.”
    This “racism” it defines as the tendencies among each of “minority” to express negative attitudes towards each other, such as anti-Muslim attitudes of some Jews. But the ultimate Jewish direction of this movement is exposed by the following appeal: “We internalize White supremacy in the Muslim community when we perpetuate anti-Semitism and vilify members of the Jewish community. In fact in Western Europe, those who are likely to hate Muslims are also likely to hate Jews.”
    Muslim activists clamor for outlawing any dissent against Islam in the West, more than willing to build upon the draconian thought crime laws already put in place by their “Jewish brothers”, just expanding the focus from just “anti-Semitism” into “Islamophobia” as well. Whenever synagogues or Jewish cemeteries are desecrated with swastikas, the Jewish media ignores that the majority are done by Jews themselves or Muslims angry about Israel, and instead focus their ire on the specter of “anti-Semitic” Europeans. After the Etz Chaim synagogue in Leeds was daubed with a swastika in October 2017, representatives of local Muslim non-profit Mend went there in solidarity with Jews and expressed their desire to “get rid of the misconceptions held about Islam as well as Judaism” and ascribed the act (with absolutely no evidence) to a “Nazi- and hate-filled ideology.”

    Both “Islamophobia” and “anti-Semitism” are defined as “internalizing White supremacy”, so that Jews and Muslims abandon all negative attitudes towards each other and blame them instead on white goyim/kuffar. “We must work together to root out anti-Semitism wherever we find it,” says the Muslim mayor of London Sadiq Khan, whose first public acts as mayor included signing the American Jewish Committee’s “Mayors United Against Anti-Semitism” pledge and attending a holocaust memorial ceremony. Khan personifies this alliance, not only with his record of fighting for Muslim and Jewish ethnic interests in Britain, but also in his social liberal policies that include opposing “homophobia” and describing himself as a “proud feminist.”
    The feminist “Women’s March” in Washington, D.C. was headed by the hijabi-clad Muslimah Linda Sarsour, with no apparent contradiction between her support for Muslim Brotherhood groups in countries like Syria and Egypt, and her advocacy of feminist, liberal and cultural decadence causes in the United States where she aligns with various SJWs, “pussy-hat” wearing men-hating feminists, and homosexuals and trannies. Although Jewish conservatives oppose Sarsour for her opposition to Israel, she is actually an opportunist who aligns with pro-Israel politicians such as New York City Mayor Bill DeBlasio and Bernie Sanders.
    Sarsour is too busy latching onto feminist, SJW and BLM protests to even care for her own Palestinian people. Even when she does, she tempers it with some basic sympathy towards Israel, whose “right to exist” she proclaimed in a Muslim focus group. After a Jewish cemetery in St. Louis was vandalized in February 2017, Sarsour presided over a Muslim crowd-funding campaign that raised more than $125,000 to “send a united message from the Jewish and Muslim communities that there is no place for this type of hate, desecration, and violence in America.” In November 2017, Sarsour spoke at a panel against “anti-Semitism” where she called for joint “organizing at the intersections of oppression.”
    Tennessee academic Harrison Akins is the premier shabbat goy/jumuah kafir, whose various articles can be easily summed up as Muslims and Jews “good”, traditional and nationalist Europeans “bad”. He was a member of a Muslim-led delegation that travelled around Europe between 2013 and 2015, meeting with various Muslim and Jewish leaders and communities and forming all sorts of connections along the way. Utterly unconcerned with his own ethnic interests, he makes the plea:
    “Jews and Muslims should not be working against each other, but with each other to promote their common interests and rights as religious minorities in Europe, particularly with the rise of right-wing parties across the continent. To move forward, Jewish and Muslim communities need to relinquish any external pressures from international politics in the Middle East and instead focus on resolving problems within European society.”
    When the BBC factually called the holocaust “a sensitive topic for Muslims” due to post-war Jewish immigration to Palestine, it bowed to pressure and retracted the report after a joint statement by the UK’s Board of Jewish Deputies and Fiyaz Mughal, founder of Tell MAMA (Measuring Anti-Muslim Attacks), called the report “offensive”. It could only be “offensive” because it highlights the “inconvenient” fact of a Jewish-Muslim dispute in the Middle East, which many such Jewish and Muslim activists want to overcome and focus their common energies instead against traditional European societies. Israeli writer Avram Ehrlich similarly called for a Muslim-Jewish “reconciliation”, so that if Muslims accepted Israel and abandoned the Palestinians to their fate, his Zionist Jews would further promote the Islamic “cultural domination over Europe” as punishment for “the centuries of Semitic denigration.”

    The same hardcore Israeli website that published Ehrlich’s proposal also invited Mughal to contribute aneditorial, wherein he praised the role of “Jewish men and women who had stood firm on the streets of our country against those who wanted a mono-faith, and mono-cultural Britain.” Nothing is said by this hypocrite about the persecution of minorities in many Muslim countries or the exclusionary Jewish ethno-state policies of Israel. Mughal also praised the “Jewish activism which has positively shaped legislation around hate crime work,” and other work alongside “our Jewish brothers and sisters.” He specifically praised the leading role of Jewish communities in promoting migrants in Europe, calling upon his fellow Muslims to realize “how much we owe to Jewish activism, spirituality and to the deep sense of moral care that is so embedded and part of the make-up of Judaism.”
    Frankfurt School’s Jewish social-engineersThis “moral care” of Judaism is the concept of tikkun olam, where Jews are inspired by a messianic drive to “repair the world” of the “goyim”. This has manifested in various social and political movements led by Jews, couched nowadays in such terms as “open society” and “social justice”. With the rise of Cultural Marxism, the Jewish social-engineers of the Frankfurt School sought to “de-construct” Western societies and “cure” them of their various “pathologies”, which are generally any traditional values and instincts that form an impediment barring unchallenged Jewish power.
    One of the methods they chose was identity politics, where disparate groups could be brought together to oppose and deconstruct white Gentile society. In The Problem of Minority Groups (1945), the Jewish sociologist Louis Wirth referred to the “disenfranchisement” that such “minority groups” as blacks, women and homosexuals suffered from the dominant society. The Jewish Frankfurt School alumni Herbert Marcuse invented the concept of “repressive tolerance”, where anything that opposed their objectives could be castigated as “intolerance” and must be “stamped out” utterly. “The small and powerless minorities which struggle against the false consciousness and its beneficiaries must be helped,” wrote Marcuse in Repressive Tolerance (1965). “Their continued existence is more important than the preservation of abused rights and liberties which grant constitutional powers to those who oppress those minorities.”
    Although reaching out to these “minority groups” by framing their disparate interests as “intersectional”, Jewish financiers and social-engineers are always to be found in the driving seat. Under their guidance are the various pawns and useful idiots who are deceived to blame all their real or perceived misfortunes on “White Supremacy”. These pawns include SJWs, BLM activities, feminists, various sexual decadents, and Marxist useful idiots who together form this new “lumpenproletariat” who would help the Jewish avant-garde “deconstruct” and break down all Western traditional society. So as not to be aware or awake to the real “supremacy” which is Jewish Privilege, their ire is misdirected towards the phantom called “White Privilege”.
    Intermediate in this “intersectional” hierarchy are the Muslim activists who align with these various liberal/leftist elements, as a means towards asserting their own ethnic and religious interests. Although manipulated by Jews who sometimes even lead their organizations, these activists are more willing participants since they view it as the means to increase the number of Muslims in society and preserve their separate status as part of “the ummah”. Much like the Zionist hypocrites who clamor for “open borders” in European societies but jealously guard Israel’s Jews-only policy, these Muslim activists care little about an increase of decadence among “kuffar”.

    The co-founder of Black Lives Matter Toronto (BLM TO) is a Kenyan-born Muslim named Yusra Khogali, who wrote in a Facebook post in late 2015 that “white ppl are recessive genetic defects” whereas “black ppl simply through their dominant genes can literally wipe out the white race if we had the power to.” She followed this with a Twitter post on 9 February 2016: “Plz Allah give me strength to not cuss/kill these men and white folks out here today. Plz plz plz.” Combined are her own feminism and black supremacist views, calling upon “Allah” even while her lack of hijab and speaking as a woman with an elevated voice are itself regarded as disobedience within Islam. Yet she thinks nothing of openly hating the same Canada which opened its borders and gives her a public platform, as a “White Supremacist” nation.
    Similar to the Jewish messianists who proclaim that there is no real discernment between “good” and “evil” in the era before their “moshiach” comes, there is a stance in Islamist theology where some rules of Sharia may be suspended in a “Makkan” period where Muslims are the minority. This politicized view of Islam has made it easy for these activists to easily absorb Cultural Marxist views themselves, such as the role of Muslim politicians like Sadiq Khan in the UK and Keith Ellison in the US in supporting gay marriage. This is the reason why we see political Islamists not thinking twice about forming alliances with feminists, homosexuals, trannies and diehard secular anti-traditionalists in a common Jewish-inspired and directed culture war against Western society. Just like the Jewish usurers who take usury from Gentiles but never fellow Jews, there are political Islamist groups in Europe that align with Muslim drug dealers and other criminals in a “gangster jihad”. The migrant “grooming” gangs view “kaffir” women as easy for the taking, while jealously guarding the “chastity” of their own hijab or niqab-clad women.

    Such tendencies align neatly with similar Jewish double-standards within our midsts. Scratch behind the “intersectional” buzzwords and you find nothing but an inherent hatred of “goyim” and “kuffar” that extols the breaking down of our societies and the displacement of our peoples. Any useful idiots that rant against “White Supremacy” and “White Privilege” are themselves solidifying the real supremacy and privilege that is certified Kosher. We should stop being obsessed about Middle East conflicts and interests, especially when most on both sides wouldn’t think twice about aligning with each other against us. And likewise, we must not be fooled into ignoring our own ethnic and cultural interests while all others are blatantly fighting for their own.

    https://alt-right.com/2018/02/07/jew...ern-societies/

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    Did these Christians come here legally or illegally? Sounds like they should have qualified for asylum. Have all of those being rounded up committed crimes? Recently? or long ago? These Christians will be murdered if they return to Iraq. Muslims HATE Christians!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnDoe2 View Post
    The majority of Chaldean Americans live in Detroit, Michigan,
    although there are also Chaldean Americans in Chicago, Illinois;
    El Cajon, San Jose, and Turlock, California; and
    Oaxaca, Mexico.


    Chaldean Americans - History, Migration to the united states ...

    https://www.everyculture.com/multi/B...Americans.html
    Thanks JD2, very interesting info!

    "Chaldean Americans are often mistaken for other ethnic groups in the United States, specifically Arab Americans. Like Arab Americans, Chaldeans tend to have large families, own independent businesses such as grocery or party stores and gas stations, and they even share some foods. On a deeper level, however, there are important distinctions between the two immigrant groups. The large patriarchal families of Muslim Arabs have traditionally allowed a man to take multiple wives, a pattern forbidden for centuries in the Christian tradition. Chaldeans also contend that women are accorded a higher place in their social structure than in the Arabic tradition. In the Chaldean community, many young women are encouraged to attain higher education. Even in the area of food there are important distinctions; Arabs do not consume alcohol and pork, which are forbidden in the Muslim faith. Chaldeans have no such restrictions. Many of these distinctions clearly flow from religious differences, but they are important distinctions in their own right.

    "Although Chaldean Americans constitute the bulk of Iraqi immigrants living in the United States, they represent less than 10 percent of the population of Iraq. While the vast majority of Iraqis, like residents of other Arabic nations, are Muslim, Chaldeans are Roman Catholic, and practice one of the 18 to 20 separate rites of the Catholic Church. They also differ from other Iraqis in that their ancestral language is not Arabic but a dialect of Aramaic, also referred to as Chaldean, Assyrian, or Syriac. As a result of their religious and linguistic differences from other Iraqi immigrants, Chaldeans tend not to identify themselves either with Iraq or the Arab world, but prefer being called Chaldean Americans."

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    Quote Originally Posted by imblest View Post
    Did these Christians come here legally or illegally? Sounds like they should have qualified for asylum. Have all of those being rounded up committed crimes? Recently? or long ago? These Christians will be murdered if they return to Iraq. Muslims HATE Christians!
    They are refugees brought here by the U.S. government, not asylum seekers.

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    El Cajon is bracing for a wave of 12,000 Chaldean and Iraqi immigrants from Mideastern refugee camps this year.

    12,000 Chaldeans & Iraqis coming to CA. this year
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    "The Chaldean mafia, formed in the 1980s, is predominantly made up of ethnic Iraqi Christians."


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    "As of April 17, 2017, there were 1,444 Iraqi nationals with final orders for removal, she said."


    U.S. arrests nearly 200 Iraqis in deportation sweep

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