Thread: L.A. POLICE FIRE ON ILLEGAL ALIEN PROTESTERS - UPDATED

Juana Neri,57,a Mexican immigrant housewife said,''It's bad what police did,but what's worse is the silly stuff that people were doing here,we are not in our country,and with the problems that hispanic immigrants have these days,it's better not to cause problems''.
Boy,talk about the 'Life of Riley',things are so good for the Neri household that she can stay home and be a housewife! She also said,
''we are not in our country'',so much for assimilation!

Quote...........Juana Neri, 57, a Mexican immigrant housewife who lives nearby, pushed her grocery bag in a baby stroller past the corner where Jamines was killed.

"It's bad, what the police did, but what's worse is the silly stuff that people were doing here," she said, referring to Monday's violence. "We are not in our country, and with the problems that Hispanic immigrants have these days, it's better not to cause problems."

That is correct. You are not in your country and will never assimilate so GET OUTTA HERE.

Protesters, LAPD clash as chief defends shooting

KTLA Video: 2nd Night of protests in Westlake District
Photos: Protesters clash with LAPD officers in Westlake
L.A. police, residents face off over police killing of Guatemalan
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LAPD officers shoot, kill man in Westlake shopping district
By Kate Linthicum, Esmeralda Bermudez and Joel Rubin, Los Angeles Times

September 8, 2010

As Los Angeles Police Chief Charlie Beck defended the fatal shooting of a day laborer and officials called for calm, protesters and officers clashed Tuesday night in Westlake near the site of the incident.

About 300 demonstrators gathered at the LAPD's Rampart Station. Some in the crowd hurled eggs at police cars and others threw objects at the station windows, prompting officers in riot gear to push the throng along 6th Street.

Officers fired non-lethal projectiles at protesters near Union Avenue and 6th, where Manuel Jamines was fatally shot Sunday afternoon by an officer who said Jamines refused commands to drop a switchblade.

About 9:30 p.m., police declared the protest an unlawful assembly and moved in to disperse the crowd as trash cans were set on fire and rocks and bottles were thrown at officers.

As police pushed crowds on 6th, some protesters climbed atop multistory apartment buildings, where they threw objects at officers below. Officers fired non-lethal projectiles toward the rooftops as residents peeked from their windows.

Several officers suffered minor injuries after being hit by bottles and rocks, police said. At least 22 people were arrested on charges such as failure to disperse, said LAPD Sgt. Alex Chogyoji.

At an evening news conference, Beck said the three bicycle patrol officers who confronted Jamines had about 40 seconds to act and did as good a job as could be done in such a quick-moving, emergency situation.

"There was very, very little opportunity to do much more than what was done," he said.

Beck identified the three officers involved as Frank Hernandez, a 13-year veteran; Steven Rodriguez, a five-year veteran; and Paris Pineda, who also has been on the force for five years.

Hernandez fired the shots, Beck said.

Police showed photographs of the bloodied knife — a switchblade that is about 6 inches long when opened — that they say Jamines, 37, was holding at the time of the shooting. Investigators are testing the blood to see whose it is, the LAPD said.

Beck said the area where the incident occurred "is not an easy place to police," in part because of its large immigrant population and widespread illegal vending.

Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, who was at the news conference, urged residents not to resort to violence. "We need to calm the waters," he said.

That message failed to resonate with protesters.

Near 6th and Union late Tuesday, police fired at least two volleys of non-lethal projectiles. Demonstrators, including families with children, bolted down the street and into alleyways. Witnesses said a man fell off his bike and struck his head.

Jesus Alejandro Hernandez Carmona, 20, was lying on the ground, bleeding profusely from the left side of his head, near a candle-lit memorial to Jamines. He was surrounded by a crowd that was book-ended by police lined up along 6th at Union on the east and Burlington Avenue on the west.

Los Angeles Fire Department ambulances were at the scene but were not crossing the police line. When asked by a reporter why the man was not receiving medical attention, a police commander said, "Tough."

Carmona was eventually helped to the ambulance by friends and received treatment.

Several people shouted angrily into loudspeakers and a group of young men wove through the crowd on bicycles. A vendor hawked bags of potato chips.

Vitalina Rubio, 52 looked on with disappointment as protesters hurled the eggs.

"You can't fight violence with violence," said Rubio, a Mexican immigrant who has lived in the MacArthur Park area for nine years.

Several cars and pedestrians were trapped amid the mass of demonstrators. One man kept shouting in Spanish, "I only wanted KFC!"

Earlier in the day, Beck briefed the civilian Police Commission on the shooting, explaining that the one officer who fired his weapon did so in "immediate defense of life."

The chief's defense of the shooting came amid continuing protests from some Westlake area residents who complained that police routinely mistreat them. They say officers toss food from illegal vending carts and verbally harass them.

"We want someone — the mayor, a council member, anyone — to come here and say enough is enough," said resident Ana Lopez, 42. "The people want answers."

Beck stressed that the investigation into Jamines' death had just begun. But he promised it would be as transparent "as humanly possible."

The incident started Sunday afternoon when Rampart Division's bicycle unit responded to a call of a man threatening passersby with a knife.

The officers rode to the corner of 6th and Union , and found Jamines making threats. They confronted him with weapons drawn, repeatedly ordering him in English and Spanish to drop the knife, Beck said. But Jamines instead raised the knife over his head and came toward the officers, Beck said, at which point Hernandez fired two rounds.

Jamines was pronounced dead at the scene.

Sitting at the Guatemalan consulate's office on Tuesday, three of Jamines' cousins spoke somberly about his death. They described the father of three as a hard-working man who struggled with alcohol on the weekends. He came from a small town in Nahuala, Solola, where his body will soon be transferred by the consulate.

Isaias Jamines said Manuel had begun drinking about 9 a.m. on the day he died. He said he saw his cousin on 6th Street and asked him to quit drinking and go home. Moments later, when Isaias arrived at his apartment, he heard three gunshots.

"I couldn't believe it was my cousin," Isaias said.

"Why couldn't they have shot him in the leg or somewhere else instead of killing him? He was drunk, but he was never a violent person."

Juan Jamines, another cousin, asked the Westlake community to remain peaceful and cooperative.

"We don't want problems," Juan said. "We just want justice."

Pablo Alvarado, the director of the National Day Laborer Network, said he hoped that the shooting would help start a dialogue between day laborers and police.

"Violence like this should not separate us but should draw us together," he said.

Although some residents complained about the way police treated them, others — including many business owners — supported the efforts of the LAPD over the last several years to drive down drug dealing and other crime that was once much more rampant. The department earned wide praise for cleaning up MacArthur Park, and that continues to pay dividends for the community.

A town hall meeting will be held by the Police Department at John H. Liechty Middle School at 6:30 p.m. Wednesday.

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"We want someone — the mayor, a council member, anyone — to come here and say enough is enough," said resident Ana Lopez, 42. "The people want answers."

Yes, and American citizens want answers too. Why do we allow these illegal invaders to break our laws and still coddle and pander to them? When has rioting and throwing things at law enforcement officers become acceptable?

This is what happens when you allow a major city to become a sanctuary city and be over run with illegal crimuinal aliens who have ZERO respect for this country or its laws.

Beck said the area where the incident occurred "is not an easy place to police," in part because of its large immigrant population and widespread illegal vending.

Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, who was at the news conference, urged residents not to resort to violence. "We need to calm the waters," he said.

That message failed to resonate with protesters.

Villar is an idiot traitor. Hey moron, if you let foreigners ignore some laws, they are going to ignore all the laws. You wanted anarchy, you got it.

Beck identified the three officers involved as Frank Hernandez, a 13-year veteran; Steven Rodriguez, a five-year veteran; and Paris Pineda, who also has been on the force for five years.

Hernandez fired the shots, Beck said.

How come nobody is concerned for these officers, or how the one who shot feels?

My cousin was a Deputy Sheriff, he shot and killed a man who was holding a woman hostage at gunpoint. After that he was never the same again, he never worked on the streets again, he finished his career working in the jail.

Originally Posted by Judy

Fox News reported this morning that the knife was a switch-blade. I don't know if this was a good shooting or not, but if the man wouldn't drop the knife when asked to do so, then what was the officer supposed to do? Wait for the illegal alien to stick him in the heart with it, and then go for his gun?

This just shows yet another reason why we have to deport all these people. They don't understand our society, they don't understand our laws, they break our laws for personal gain, they defend each other for political purposes, they disturb our peace, threaten our law enforcement, and then whine, whine, whine. Then they want to sue, sue, sue. Meanwhile thousands of Americans are killed every year by these people and no one gives a damn but those of us who take the time to read the articles and grieve for them and their families.

Judy, I am an Arizona certified firearms instructor and I teach armed guard certifications for the state. A switchblade knife is considered a deadly weapon that can inflict serious bodily injury or death. For that matter any knife qualifies under state use of deadly force laws which are pretty much the same in all states.

That switchblade could have cut open the police officer neck, severed an artery, pierced his heart, ect.

In a situation like this once he lunged towards the police they had no choice but to use deadly force to sop the threat.

I have read comments like "why didn't they use less then lethal force on this guy"? Well, my training classes as does law enforcement training classes teach that you use the appropriate level of force against the force that is being used at you. In this scenario the guy was using a deadly weapon so the police officer are trained to respond with deadly force which in most cases is a firearm.

I am taser certified and I would never use a Taser against a deadly force threat. Why? Taser operate off battery and can fail just when you need it the most and that failure can and most likely will cause you to lose your life. That is why it was appropriate for this police officer to respond the way he did and use the force he did.

The old saying that you don't bring a knife to a gun fight is very true and for whatever the reasons by this guy he made a bad decision to not listen to the police officer instructions to drop the knife and when he lunged at the police officers he paid the ultimate price for his decision.

The good thing out of this is the police officer followed his training and went home safely to his loved ones who I am sure are all happy he made the decision to defend himself.

These people have a long history of disruptive, violent behavior with absolutely no respect for our country or legal system. They are now even more emboldened by the marxist traitors in washington who seek through social engineering to destroy America by an amnesty program which will ensure a perpetuation of dimocratic power through a larger voting base which they have done for blacks who follow with a blind, unholy adherence to their marxist dogma, regardless of the consequences to America. I amazed and disgusted that radical organizations , like la racists are allowed to flourish and dictate policies in my country. We have kicked mexico's butt several times in past history with small expeditionary forces with little effort...time for a repeat performance.

Originally Posted by bigtex

This is what happens when you allow a major city to become a sanctuary city and be over run with illegal crimuinal aliens who have ZERO respect for this country or its laws.

Ditto that! This is exactly what happens when you pander to illegal invaders and allow them to break laws with impunity! These illegal invaders become so embolden they think they are owed an explanation when one of their raza confronts a police officer with a deadly weapon and is dealt with accordingly!

They are owed NOTHING! Unfortunately, we have a pandering mayor who hold press conferences and pleads with these invaders to remain calm. Start enforcing the law if these invaders get out of line! It's not their choice!

And another thing…illegal invaders are a protected class in this city and these police officers know it. Hard to believe they would respond with deadly force unless it was justified.