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    This made the MSM in USA TODAY

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    L.A. police chief booed at community meeting

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    TODAY'S L.A. TIMES article. (Same headline as a much smaller artucle last night.)

    Protesters heckle LAPD chief at meeting in Westlake

    Police struggle to calm an angry crowd outside the meeting. Two days of protests and violent skirmishes had preceded Wednesday night's meeting over the police slaying Sunday of a day laborer.

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    By Joel Rubin and Esmeralda Bermudez, Los Angeles Times
    September 9, 2010

    After two days of protests and violent skirmishes, Los Angeles police officials struggled again Wednesday evening to calm anger in the wake of the fatal shooting of a knife-wielding man by an officer.

    LAPD Chief Charlie Beck was heckled and booed by many in the crowd of about 300 who attended a community meeting at John H. Liechty Middle School, a short walk from the scene of Sunday's shooting.

    "I hope we came here to have a discussion. Please let's respect each other," Beck told the unruly crowd.

    "Respect us! When are you going to respect us?" yelled some. Others shouted, "Killers! Assassins!"

    Beck, forced by the noise to step away from the microphone, stopped talking briefly. "I promise you a fair investigation," he said when he returned after several minutes, reminding the crowd that he had close ties to the area, having once commanded the LAPD's Rampart Division.

    The turmoil stems from the killing of Manuel Jamines, 37, a Guatemala-born day laborer, who was shot by a police officer Sunday afternoon on a busy Westlake street.

    Jamines, authorities said, had been threatening passers-by with a knife, and when confronted by three officers, ignored their orders to drop the knife. Officer Frank Hernandez, a 13-year department veteran, fired two rounds when Jamines came at him with the knife raised over his head, officials have said.

    As Wednesday's meeting was going on, scores of officers outside were preparing for the possibility of a repeat of Tuesday night, when a few hundred protesters rallied at the site of the shooting on 6th Street near Union Avenue. Some protesters threw rocks and bottles at officers, who responded by firing nonlethal foam projectiles. At least 22 people were arrested.

    Near the meeting site Wednesday night, riot-clad police officers in patrol cars played a cat-and-mouse game with throngs of protesters along 6th Street.

    A few hundred people gathered at Burlington Avenue and 6th in Westlake, where some hurled bottles at squad cars. Others shouted "Pig!" and profanities at officers as they got out of their vehicles, rifles in their hands.

    At least one fire was lighted, but it was quickly extinguished. Authorities indicated that arrests had been made but had no firm numbers.

    The vitriolic response to the shooting has surprised many department and elected officials. With the knife recovered at the scene, eyewitness accounts allegedly supporting the authorities' claim that Jamines advanced aggressively toward the officers, and no racial overtones to the shooting, the incident did not seem to be one that would cause such an eruption of anger.

    In an interview Wednesday, Beck blamed the unrest on outside groups that, he said, seized on the killing as an opportunity to foment anger toward the police.

    The area's large population of immigrant day laborers, who have struggled to find work during the city's financial collapse and have grown frustrated with the LAPD's aggressive stance against the neighborhood's ubiquitous illegal street vendors, may have been particularly receptive to the calls for upheaval, Beck said.

    "It has been a bunch of agitators pushing the envelope and using individuals as their pawns," he said.

    At least some of the disorder seemed to have been fueled by such groups. About a dozen people who appeared to be affiliated with the Revolutionary Communist Party handed out literature about the group's beliefs and other cases of officer-involved shootings, and chanted messages over bullhorns about a communist revolution. Among those arrested Tuesday night was Jubilee Shine, 40, of South Los Angeles, who heads a group called the Coalition for Community Control Over the Police.

    Hernandez, the officer who shot Jamines, remains ineligible for patrol assignments, police officials said. An officer involved in a shooting is kept off the streets until the chief has received a formal briefing on the incident and the officer is cleared by a department psychologist to return to full duty.

    Hernandez has been through the process before. In two previous incidents, he shot and wounded two people while on duty, according to LAPD officials and records.

    Citing privacy laws, Beck declined to discuss the past shootings, or any details of Hernandez's personnel file. He voiced support for Hernandez, however, and indicated that the 39-year-old officer's performance should not come under suspicion because of the multiple shootings.

    "If we had any concerns about his ability to use deadly force, he wouldn't be out in the field," Beck said in an interview. "Each of these [shootings] need to be looked at in their individual contexts."

    In the previous shootings, Hernandez was found by LAPD officials and the agency's oversight board to have acted within the department's policies on the use of deadly force, according to LAPD sources who spoke on the condition that their names not be used because of privacy laws.

    Hernandez first used his handgun in November 1999, his third year on the force. While assigned to the department's Southwest Division, Hernandez and his partner responded to a robbery call and tracked the female suspect into the backyard of a home, according to an account released at the time by the department.

    The pair opened fire when the woman allegedly pointed a handgun at them, according to the account. She fell to the ground, but allegedly reached for her weapon and ignored Hernandez's orders to stop, causing him to shoot her again. A loaded semiautomatic handgun was recovered at the scene, according to the department's account. At the time, the woman was listed in stable condition.

    Almost a decade later, in December 2008, Hernandez and a different partner were helping to search for assault suspects in the LAPD's Rampart Division. They approached an 18-year-old man they suspected of being involved in the assault, according to a department account of the incident released at the time. The man tried to flee, then pointed a gun at the officers, the account said. Hernandez shot the man once, wounding him.

    Carol Sobel, a civil-rights attorney who has clashed with the LAPD over the use of force, echoed several protesters and residents in the area who questioned why Hernandez had not been able to shoot Jamines in the arm or leg.

    "I can understand if the person has a gun, that the officer should shoot to kill. But, in this case, with a knife, it seems to me this could be excessive," she said.

    Deputy Chief Sandy Jo MacArthur, who oversees training for the LAPD, said officers are put through simulation machines that mimic real-life scenarios in which the decision to use deadly force must be made in seconds.

    Officers are not taught to "shoot to kill" or to "shoot to wound," she said, but are trained to aim always at an aggressor's "center mass" — roughly the belly or chest — to stop the person from advancing. If that does not stop the person, officers are trained to aim at the suspect's head, MacArthur said.

    While police have not said where Jamines was struck, witnesses indicated that Hernandez shot him in the head. It is not known where Hernandez was aiming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justthefacts
    Well if this spreads it could be endgame

    Also the Koran burning is going to be uber fireworks

    Also the story of the guy on Long Island that pulled out a gun when threatened by a ton of latino gang bangers , the cops arrested him and not the gang bangers.

    Its coming , very soon now
    yep, I hope so to. It's about time.

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    The LAPD made their first mistake having a "town hall/community meeting" to waste their time and money answering questions from a bunch of illegal aliens in the first place.

    Get a clue LAPD. You should have been asking for papers from everyone in the room instead of answering their questions.
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    KTLA is the biggest TV station in the L.A. area.

    Officer in Deadly Westlake Shooting Had 2 Prior Use of Force Incidents

    Protesters gathered for a 3rd straight night.

    Watch Chip Yost's Report

    LAPD officers fire rubber bullets to disperse a crowd that gathered for a second day to protest the deadly shooting of a day laborer. (KTLA-TV)

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    8:17 a.m. PDT, September 9, 2010

    WESTLAKE -- Police on Wednesday arrested four more people as a third night of violent protests erupted following the deadly officer-involved shooting of a knife-wielding man. Meanwhile, there are reports that the officer involved in the shooting had been involved in two previous use-of-force incidents.

    Three of the arrests on Wednesday were for assault with a deadly weapon.

    Protesters threw bottles at police vehicles and at least 8 trash bins were set on fire.

    Police fired tear gas at one group of unruly people.

    The protest followed a community meeting by LAPD Chief Charlie Beck, city officials and consuls general from Guatemala, Mexico and Nicaragua.

    About 300 people attended the meeting, held in a multipurpose room at John Leichty Middle School.

    Chief Beck was greeted by boos, whistles and chants of 'Justicia!' by the angry crowd.

    Manuel Jamines, 37, was shot and killed by police on Sunday after officials say he threatened someone with a knife. Jamines was a Guatemalan day laborer, husband, and father of three.

    The shooting quickly turned into a rallying point, with community members and others taking to the streets to vent ongoing frustrations.

    Protesters say the man had been unarmed and was killed for no reason, but police say he was brandishing a knife. A bloody knife was found at the scene, police said.

    At Wednesday's meeting, Beck read a female witness' statement provided by investigators.

    The woman, a neighborhood resident who was not named, said she saw a man bleeding from his hand but thought nothing of it until he tried to stab her and a pregnant woman who was standing next to her. The knife-wielding man, police say, was Jimenes.

    As the woman ran away, she heard the three officers telling the suspect to drop the knife, then she heard three or four shots, turned around and saw Jamines on the sidewalk, Beck said.

    "She referred to the officers as her angels who had descended from heaven to save her life and that of the pregnant lady," Beck said.

    The crowd exploded when they heard the witness account.

    Beck has defended the "use of deadly force" in the shooting.

    Chief Beck told the Police Commission Tuesday that the officer who shot Jamines acted in self defense.

    "This was a very brief moment in time, just 40 seconds between first contact and the time of the shooting," Beck said.

    That officer had reportedly been involved in two previous shootings while on duty.

    Officer Frank Hernandez shot a female robbery victim in 1999 when the woman allegedly pointed a handgun at Hernandez and his partner, refusing orders to drop the weapon, KTLA partner, The Los Angeles Times, is reporting. Her injury was not life-threatening.

    ln 2008, Hernandez shot an 18-year-old assault suspect who tried to flee, then pointed a gun at Hernandez and another officer, according to the Times. Hernandez shot the man once, wounding him.

    The incident with Jamines started at the busy shopping area near 6th and Union streets in the Westlake District on Sunday when four police officers on bicycles were called to investigate reports of a man with a knife threatening someone, according to Lt. Andrew Neiman of the Los Angeles Police Department.

    According to Chief Beck, the officers ordered the man to drop the knife several times in both English and Spanish but he refused. Jamines then allegedly lunged at officers in a threatening manner with the knife over his head. That's when officers fired, shooting him.

    Jamines died at the scene a short time later. People in the area gathered into a crowd at the scene immediately after the shooting and were heard angrily yelling at one of the officers.

    A group of about 40 angry protesters gathered outside the LAPD's Rampart Community Police Station on West Sixth Street Monday, shouting "Justicia!" which translates to "Justice!"

    They said Jamines was shot for no reason.

    Most of the protesters left after the officers ordered the crowd to disperse around 10:00 p.m. Monday, but a small number stayed, chanted "assassination," set trash cans and mattresses on fire and threw objects, including metal poles, rocks and bottles at officers, according to LAPD spokesman Gregory Baek.

    Four people were arrested on misdemeanor charges of inciting a riot. Two police officers were hurt. Both were treated for their injuries and have returned to duty.

    The crowd grew even bigger Tuesday night, with several hundred people gathering near 6th and Union streets.

    Protesters threw rocks, eggs and bottles at police officers. KTLA Sky 5 captured video of protesters rolling a burning dumpster at police.

    Police reported 22 arrests, mainly for failure to disperse and unlawful assembly, Officer Karen Rayner said.

    When asked if officers could have used non-lethal weapons to subdue Jamines, Chief Beck said bicycle officers frequently do not carry with them the selection of beanbag rifles and other weapons found in a traditional patrol car.

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    These people are out of their minds thinking anyone cares one hoot about a bloodied switch-blade wieilding illegal alien who was threatening passersby on the street and then lunged at bicycle cops with it.
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    Protesters threw rocks, eggs and bottles at police officers. KTLA Sky 5 captured video of protesters rolling a burning dumpster at police.

    Police reported 22 arrests, mainly for failure to disperse and unlawful assembly, Officer Karen Rayner said.
    Another gigantic $$ cost to put these officers and fire responders on the LA streets in tactical alert riot mode. I think the entire Westlake District should have their taxes raised at least 10% to pay for the costs the POS vandal punks from the 3rd world have inflicted. Furthermore, every specific neighborhood that allows a demonstration should have it's service fees and taxes increased.

    You wonder why LA is almost bankrupt? It's in large part because of these crap Latino revolution protests and demonstrations happening out here all the time. Public safety is high priority. I say take away more money from welfare and education until these tontos estúpidos can figure out that it's smarter to behave in America than act like lawless wolves.

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    The city "officials" built it into what it is - a sanctuary cesspool - let them deal with it.
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    I agree raise their taxes to pay but just in that city! I wonder what would have happened if that man had stabed an fatally wounded the police officer who would protest and riot for him. These people that are protesting need to educate themselves about how our system works it seems like they not having any facts started their little protest before the police had any time to investigate the situation. Their mob mentality isn't right and if it actually works out for them then we all need to get together and show our goverment that this is not what we want for our country. Its sad when a drunk knife wielding invader has more right than a police officer defending his own life.

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    Two men charged with setting fire in street during Westlake police shooting protest

    September 9, 2010 | 11:14 am

    Charges were filed Thursday against two men who allegedly set fires in the street during a demonstration in Westlake protesting the fatal police shooting of a day laborer holding a knife.

    Prosecutors with the Los Angeles city attorney’s office charged Fernando Aguilar and Carlos Garcia with criminal misdemeanors related to lighting unsafe fires.

    Police arrested them Monday at 6th Street and Burlington Avenue after they were seen lighting a fire in the middle of the intersection and throwing wood into the blaze, said John Franklin, a spokesman for the city attorney's office.

    Sunday afternoon's deadly shooting sparked three days of protests in the Westlake neighborhood, and led Los Angeles Police Chief Charlie Beck and Mayor Antonio Villaraigoisa to hold a community meeting Wednesday night to address the issue.


    They promised a fair investigation as attendees heckled and shouted "Killers! Assassins!"

    Guatemalan-born day laborer Manuel Jamines, 37, was shot by Officer Frank Hernandez, a 13-year veteran of the Los Angeles Police Department. He fired two rounds when Jamines came at him with a knife raised over his head, officials said.

    Each of the charges filed against Aguilar and Garcia carries a maximum sentence of six months in county jail and a $1,000 fine.
    -- Richard Winton

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