Thread: L.A. POLICE FIRE ON ILLEGAL ALIEN PROTESTERS - UPDATED

The street lurkers are out and at it again in the Westlake District but it's apparently quieter tonight. This makes the fourth night. KTLA is covering it live and LAPD is again on tactical alert there. That creep activist Ron Gochez was on TV talking in support of the woman who didn't see the knife. Remember him? Newscasters said, however, several other witnesses did see a knife.

Note: Most of KTLA's 10 p.m. newscast is covering the very bad gas line explosion and fire in San Bruno, CA south of San Francisco.

Jamines had a wife and three children - ages 13, 6 and 8 - in his hometown of Mazatenango, Guatemala, his cousin said.

He came to the United States six years ago to find work as a day laborer and spent most of his time looking for jobs in the parking lot of the Home Depot a block away.

This guy was illegal, hung around on the streets hustling cash work for 6 years that he sent the majority of out of the country, was an acknowledged drunk and the Federal government did not deport him.

I think that had he been deported back to his country, he would not have been drunk on the the streets of LA attacking the police with a bloody knife and getting himself shot ,I believe that the officer was justified.

Where did the blood on the knife come from. Oh, and the BS story from the one witness that he didn't have a knife was, I believe a crafted misrepresentation to stir up the riot.

I feel that there should not be any FEDERAL aid given to LA or California until they comply with the Federal laws. The citizens from all over the country that actually pay taxes are being raped by the IRS to pay for this LA slum and people that are not under the jurisdiction of the United States.

So, Mr. Morton doesn't want anyone deported that doesn't have a criminal record and I suppose we just have to let them all in and see who winds up being a criminal after all. But, Mr. Morton is from Europe (Scotland to be exact)and seems to have the European social values that have been so successful there.

Originally Posted by Newmexican

Jamines had a wife and three children - ages 13, 6 and 8 - in his hometown of Mazatenango, Guatemala, his cousin said.

He came to the United States six years ago to find work as a day laborer and spent most of his time looking for jobs in the parking lot of the Home Depot a block away.

This guy was illegal, hung around on the streets hustling cash work for 6 years that he sent the majority of out of the country, was an acknowledged drunk and the Federal government did not deport him.

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I have not read this whole thread, but caught your post.

Since I have not been reading much on ALIPAC lately, I can speak as a sheeple.

I had NO idea until right now, that the man who was killed was an ILLEGAL ALIEN. Everything I have heard about this incident was that the man was a Guatemalan IMMIGRANT!

Wow! No wonder the sheeple are sheeple if they are never exposed to the truth.

Originally Posted by GoodOleDays

Originally Posted by Newmexican

Jamines had a wife and three children - ages 13, 6 and 8 - in his hometown of Mazatenango, Guatemala, his cousin said.

He came to the United States six years ago to find work as a day laborer and spent most of his time looking for jobs in the parking lot of the Home Depot a block away.

This guy was illegal, hung around on the streets hustling cash work for 6 years that he sent the majority of out of the country, was an acknowledged drunk and the Federal government did not deport him.

.....snipped....

I have not read this whole thread, but caught your post.

Since I have not been reading much on ALIPAC lately, I can speak as a sheeple.

I had NO idea until right now, that the man who was killed was an ILLEGAL ALIEN. Everything I have heard about this incident was that the man was a Guatemalan IMMIGRANT!

Wow! No wonder the sheeple are sheeple if they are never exposed to the truth.

Exactly. One of the benefits of ALIPAC are the many articles our members post and thousands of others read and then bring out the truth about the articles which number tens of thousands of news articles that have been posted here over the years. The news media is really letting Americans down when they dump the term "immigrant" on people who are actually criminal illegal aliens. It's a deliberate attempt by the media to conceal the real facts and truth about illegal immigration.

I had NO idea until right now, that the man who was killed was an ILLEGAL ALIEN. Everything I have heard about this incident was that the man was a Guatemalan IMMIGRANT!

This from an AP article....

LOS ANGELES — A city all too familiar with civil unrest was caught by surprise with the level of outrage over the fatal police shooting of an illegal immigrant from Guatemala who was menacing officers with a knife.

The officers were also Hispanic, and witnesses backed up their claims that Manuel Jaminez threatened them.

And yet, protesters hurled eggs, bottles and rocks at a police station over the past several days, jeered the police chief when he tried to explain in front of a raucous community meeting and pushed long-simmering tensions to the forefront.

For many in the gritty Westlake neighborhood, the shooting was the last straw. Amid the poverty and chronic joblessness here, some residents say, officers mistreated them and were overly harsh in their enforcement of city ordinances.

"They are messing with people all the time," said Juan Lorenzo, a day laborer who knew Jaminez.

Lorenzo claimed that Officer Frank Hernandez, who the mayor hailed as a hero for shooting Jaminez, was disliked by many in the community because he would often ticket people for selling food on the street and would sometimes throw the food in the trash.

It wasn't immediately clear whether residents complained about police behavior to the LAPD.

Beyond complaints from several residents on Thursday about the police conduct, there were no easy answers to explain why the community reacted with such anger over the shooting.

The neighborhood just west of downtown is home to immigrants from Guatemala and elsewhere in Central America, where police corruption and violence leaves residents in fear and mistrustful of authority.

In Guatemala, for example, over 200,000 people died — many at the hands of soldiers or paramilitary patrols — in a civil war. In the face of police inaction and corruption, some towns in Guatemala have also become accustomed to taking justice into their own hands.

Mob attacks in which suspected criminals are beaten, sometimes to death, occur with some regularity in rural areas.

In Westlake, the police cracked down on gang activity, and reclaimed MacArthur Park that was once a no-go zone to all but gang members and drug dealers. Now, day laborers wait for construction jobs that sometimes don't come for days on end.

On the corner where Jaminez was killed, outside the parking lot next to a 99-cent store, a newspaper box was turned into a memorial. A heart-shaped bouquet was tied to the box and a photo of Jaminez was taped alongside.

Lorenzo, also from Guatemala, leaned against a metal railing on the corner and said he did not believe the police account.

Lorenzo said officers had planted a knife near Jaminez's body — a common refrain Thursday in Westlake. He had no proof, but he said the folding weapon looked more like the kind of tactical blade a police officer would carry.

Chief Charlie Beck on Wednesday said a witness — a neighborhood resident who was not named — told three bicycle officers, including Hernandez, that a man with blood on his hands tried to stab her and a pregnant woman next to her.

As the woman ran away, she heard the officers telling the suspect to drop the knife, then she heard three or four shots, turned around and saw Jaminez on the sidewalk, Beck said. Police said Jaminez raised the knife above his head and lunged at Hernandez.

The 13-year veteran of the department shot Jaminez twice in the head, police said.

The crowd of 300 people exploded when they heard Beck recount the witness's account. Someone called out that the story sounded like it was made up in Hollywood.

Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa on Thursday defended Hernandez's actions, saying he was a hero and it was "outrageous" that angry residents called Beck a "murderer" at the community meeting.

Beck and other officials say outside radical groups, including the Revolutionary Communist Party, are provoking the protests.

Mike Prysner, an organizer with activist group the Answer Coalition, said the anger is endemic to the community.

"It's a common tactic by the police to try to blame community outrage on outside agitators," Prysner said. "In reality the outside agitators were the police who came into the community and attacked peaceful vigils."

Still, Prysner acknowledged that activists do play a role in helping residents express their frustrations.

Members of a different activist group on Thursday produced for the media a woman who said she witnessed the shooting and who presented a version of events at odds with what other witnesses told police.

The woman, who only gave her first name Ana, said she was out shopping on Sunday and, from her vantage point on the sidewalk across the street, saw Jaminez get shot.

Contrary to accounts from six other witnesses, she said, Jaminez was not holding a knife. "The police said 'drop the weapon,' and the man looked at them like he'd been drinking," she said in Spanish. "But he was holding nothing, absolutely nothing."

Police Capt. Kris Pitcher, who is overseeing the shooting investigation, said Ana had been identified at the scene but detectives had not yet interviewed her.

Hernandez, who is on administrative leave after the shooting, was involved in earlier shootings, Pitcher said. He did not have details on any of the shootings.

The Los Angeles Times first reported that he shot a female robbery suspect in 1999 when the woman allegedly pointed a handgun at Hernandez and his partner and refused orders to drop the weapon. Her injury was not life-threatening.

In 2008, the Times reported, Hernandez shot an 18-year-old assault suspect who tried to flee, then pointed a gun at Hernandez and another officer. Hernandez shot the man once, wounding him.

Neighbors and friends initially said Jaminez's last name was spelled Jamines but on Thursday the coroner's office said he went by the names Manuel Ramirez and Manuel Jaminez.

Tomas Gomez, the brother-in-law of Jaminez, said his relative came from a tiny hamlet in the rugged mountainous region of western Guatemala, the province of Solola, where he was married and had three young sons, the oldest of whom is eight.

Gomez said life was a struggle for Jaminez and his family, whose native language is Quiche, one of about 20 Mayan dialects spoken in Guatemala. He only spoke a little Spanish and no English.

"They didn't have enough to eat," Gomez said.

Jaminez decided to seek work in the U.S. a little more than five years ago. Here, he worked as a day laborer, mainly doing construction odd jobs, which he obtained at the local Home Depot. He rented a room in an apartment near the Home Depot.

At times, he felt trapped and grew sad at being so far from his family, Gomez said. "He didn't have the money to go back, he wasn't getting a lot of work here," he said. "There were weeks when he wouldn't get any work."

Gomez said Jaminez was not aggressive or violent. He had never seen him with a knife. He said he believes the police are inventing the story about the knife to justify killing him.

"That's a falsehood by the police," he said.

Associated Press Writer Christina Hoag in Los Angeles and Juan Carlos Llorca in Guatemala contributed to this report.


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That creep activist Ron Gochez was on TV talking in support of the woman who didn't see the knife. Remember him?

1. Saturday, May 8, 2010
Ron Gochez, Anti-Semitic Social Justice Teacher and Reconquista Activist, Connects With Underage Student Hotties on MySpace
There's a little buzz tonight surrounding a three year-old protest video featuring Los Angeles revolutionary/reconquista activist Ron Gochez -- who's listed as a Social Studies Teacher in the School of Public Service and Social Justice at Los Angeles' Santee High School.

Here's this from Gochez's speech at UCLA in 2007:

We are revolutionary Mexican organization here. We understand that this is not just about Mexico. It’s about a global struggle against imperialism and capitalism… At the forefront of this revolutionary movement is La Raza. We will no longer fall for these lies called borders. We see America as a northern front of a revolutionary movement… Our enemy is capitalism and imperialism.

Well, we find more on Ron Gochez with a little digging. For one thing the guy's a rabid anti-Semite. In 2002, he published a Letter to the Editor, at SDSU's Daily Aztec, entitled "The Jewish-owned media continue to blind the masses with propaganda to keep them in fear." The letter's been taken down, but not the responses to it.

full article at http://americanpowerblog.blogspot.com/2 ... stice.html

2. Watch over 7 videos of Gochez calling for a Mexican takeover. (Some may have been removed by YouTube.)

http://vodpod.com/tag/ron+gochez

Calm marks fourth night of protests over LAPD shooting

September 9, 2010 | 11:50 pm

Dozens of people marched in the Westlake district Thursday during a fourth night of protests over the death of a Guatemalan immigrant who was shot to death after LAPD officers said he threatened them with a knife.

But unlike on previous nights, there were no clashes between the protesters and police.

Organizers asked the protesters to remain calm and keep to the sidewalk as they marched to beating drums along 6th Street, where Manuel Jamines was shot Sunday afternoon near Union Avenue. When they reached the Rampart Division station, some in the crowd yelled, “Assassins!â€

L.A. officials try to calm community after cop shooting

By William M. Welch, USA TODAY

LOS ANGELES — After three nights of protests, Los Angeles police and city officials are struggling to calm community anger over the fatal shooting of a knife-wielding man by a police officer.

Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa said Thursday that officers involved in the shooting Sunday night were heroes who "acted with bravery."

He said it was "outrageous" that residents called Police Chief Charlie Beck a murderer during a tense community meeting Wednesday night where 300 people packed into a school. The school is a short distance from the site of the shooting.

The death of Manuel Jamines, 37, a Guatemalan-born man working as a day laborer, has triggered protests in a city where the police department has long struggled to gain trust in poor and immigrant communities, and where use of force by police has been a flashpoint for decades.


MORE: L.A. police chief booed at community meeting

In protests this week, crowds threw eggs, rocks and bottles at police officers and set trash fires.

Authorities have said three bicycle officers were flagged Sunday by people concerned about a man with a knife.

The officers approached the man and told him to put the knife down. Instead, Jamines lunged at Officer Frank Hernandez, said Capt. Kris Pitcher, who heads the police department's force investigation division.

Hernandez shot Jamines twice in the head. Several witnesses later told police Jamines had been drinking.

Salvador Sanabria, executive director of community group El Rescate, said the community "reacted this way because they thought there was another way to deal with a drunk guy."

Beck voiced support for Hernandez following the shooting.

Joe Domanick, author of a book on the Los Angeles police, said Beck has wide support as a reformer chief. But he said Beck may have spoken too soon in support of the officer, "with the history the LAPD has had with these kinds of shootings."

David Klinger, a former L.A. officer and now on the criminology faculty at the University of Missouri-Saint Louis, said officers confronting a man with a knife face a lethal threat and their response may well have been justified.

"Based on how it's been described to me, it makes sense that deadly force would be appropriate," he said.

The community's reaction, Klinger said, reflects deeper tensions.

Los Angeles faced widespread riots in 1992 following the acquittal of four white officers in the videotaped beating of Rodney King, a black motorist. And in 2007, police clashed with immigration rights marchers.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/201 ... 0_ST_N.htm

It's obvious officer HERNANDEZ was scared if not for himself, for his fellow officers. It sucks that blood was spilled and a man died. A lot of people have died for freedom. the freedom to sell dope, the freedom to drive drunk, the freedom to commit fraud,the freedom to enslave their own people, the freedom to go home when the s_ _t gets to deep. It's hard to fight a corrupt government, If all your able bodied citizens are here doin' my job,and turning a blind eye to whats going on at home. We're all here fighting for what we know is right,Yeah! and a lot of the time all we have is each other. And here you are. They want to shut you up, and shut you down. and here you stand unwavering. thank you again for speaking out on my behalf. you deserve the salute from all Americans.

Originally Posted by ShockedinCalifornia

That creep activist Ron Gochez was on TV talking in support of the woman who didn't see the knife. Remember him?

1. Saturday, May 8, 2010
Ron Gochez, Anti-Semitic Social Justice Teacher and Reconquista Activist, Connects With Underage Student Hotties on MySpace
There's a little buzz tonight surrounding a three year-old protest video featuring Los Angeles revolutionary/reconquista activist Ron Gochez -- who's listed as a Social Studies Teacher in the School of Public Service and Social Justice at Los Angeles' Santee High School.

Here's this from Gochez's speech at UCLA in 2007:

We are revolutionary Mexican organization here. We understand that this is not just about Mexico. It’s about a global struggle against imperialism and capitalism… At the forefront of this revolutionary movement is La Raza. We will no longer fall for these lies called borders. We see America as a northern front of a revolutionary movement… Our enemy is capitalism and imperialism.

Well, we find more on Ron Gochez with a little digging. For one thing the guy's a rabid anti-Semite. In 2002, he published a Letter to the Editor, at SDSU's Daily Aztec, entitled "The Jewish-owned media continue to blind the masses with propaganda to keep them in fear." The letter's been taken down, but not the responses to it.

full article at http://americanpowerblog.blogspot.com/2 ... stice.html

2. Watch over 7 videos of Gochez calling for a Mexican takeover. (Some may have been removed by YouTube.)

http://vodpod.com/tag/ron+gochez

ive seen that clown on youtube, hes bad news. ive shown his little tirades to folks that think there is no hostile mecha element, shines some bright light up the liberal hind quarters for sure. not much to add to him to get the point across.