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    Man shot with Taser in fight at border dies
    By Leslie Berestein, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

    Kristina Davis, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

    Originally published June 1, 2010 at 12:15 p.m., updated June 1, 2010 at 9:31 p.m.

    SAN DIEGO — A man who died after being shot with a Taser stun gun Friday night by federal border officers had lived in the U.S. for 27 years, had five children and worked in construction, his wife said.

    Maria Puga, the wife of Anastacio Hernandez Rojas, said Tuesday that she was too distraught to comment further.

    Hernandez Rojas, a Mexican national, was declared brain-dead Saturday at a Chula Vista hospital, according to the county Medical Examiner’s Office. He suffered heart failure Monday and was taken off life support then, San Diego police said.

    Hernandez Rojas lived with his family in the Encanto area of San Diego. He was initially listed as 32 years old on the medical examiner’s website, though other documents show him to be 42. He is believed to have been living in the country illegally since he was a minor.

    Capt. Jim Collins of the San Diego Police Department, which is investigating the death, said Hernandez Rojas and his brother were arrested by U.S. Border Patrol agents about 7:20 p.m. Friday on suspicion of illegally crossing the border in the Otay Mountain area. He had been previously deported, a federal official said.

    After their arrest in the mountains, Hernandez Rojas and his brother were transported to a Border Patrol station for processing, Collins said, then to the border turnstile at San Ysidro to be returned to Mexico. As agents were unloading him from a van and taking off his handcuffs, “he started fighting with the Border Patrol agents,â€

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    SAN DIEGO: Coroner rules death of Mexican migrant a homicide

    Associated Press | Posted: June 2, 2010 1:37 pm

    The San Diego County medical examiner's office has ruled the death of a Mexican migrant a homicide, five days after he was shot with a stun gun by a U.S. immigration officer.

    The coroner said Wednesday that methampetemaine abuse and hypertension contributed to the death of Anastacio Hernandez, who died from cardiac arrest at a Chula Vista hospital.

    San Diego police Capt. Jim Collins says the 32-year-old was shot with a stun gun by a Customs and Border Protection officer Friday night at a San Diego border crossing. The man had wrestled two Border Patrol agents to the ground.

    Collins says results of the investigation will be sent to federal prosecutors, who will determine if criminal charges are filed.

    Mexico has condemned the use of force against Hernandez.

    NORTH COUNTY TIMES

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    Quote Originally Posted by redpony353
    Quote Originally Posted by butterbean
    IMO stun guns shouldnt be used on people.
    I agree. Stun guns are electrocution devices. Electrocuting human beings should not be allowed
    Your both right - bullets might have been more appropriate since the man was attacking Border Patrol for no reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SicNTiredInSoCal
    Quote Originally Posted by redpony353
    Quote Originally Posted by butterbean
    IMO stun guns shouldnt be used on people. :(
    I agree. Stun guns are electrocution devices. Electrocuting human beings should not be allowed
    Your both right - bullets might have been more appropriate since the man was attacking Border Patrol for no reason.
    They tried to physically restrain him, they used a baton, he was still uncontrollable

    so if they can't use a stun gun the next step is live rounds. (Which I have no problem with.)
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    A taser is an excellant law enforcement tool. It is better than using a gun as both the number of serious injuries and deaths are low. Most civilians are not aware of they strict policies law enforcement agencies have regarding their use. First of all most agencies require their officers to be tazed before they carry one. The criteria for the use of tasers is the same as use for their gun. Tasers have a count of how many times they are depolyed and are monitored by police departments for abuse. When a taser is deployed there are little papers that scatter around like confetti so the evidence of use is there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by swatchick
    A taser is an excellant law enforcement tool. It is better than using a gun as both the number of serious injuries and deaths are low. Most civilians are not aware of they strict policies law enforcement agencies have regarding their use. First of all most agencies require their officers to be tazed before they carry one. The criteria for the use of tasers is the same as use for their gun. Tasers have a count of how many times they are depolyed and are monitored by police departments for abuse. When a taser is deployed there are little papers that scatter around like confetti so the evidence of use is there.
    In theory a tazer used only when a gun would otherwise be used would be a good thing. But I dont really think it is possible to take a tazer as seriously as a gun. Officers know that the tazer wont kill the person and they use it more freely. There have been many instances of officers using tazers on people that were already handcuffed.....or in situations where a weapon was not really necessary. Now, I am not saying that all officers do this, but many do....too many. There have been instances where an officer tazed someone just because they were yelling at the officer. If the situation is so serious as to require electrocution, then it is serious enough to use a gun. Furthermore, I think the perp takes a gun more seriously too and is less likely to stand up to a gun. Therefore, a show of a gun is more likely to diffuse a situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skip
    SAN DIEGO: Coroner rules death of Mexican migrant a homicide

    Associated Press | Posted: June 2, 2010 1:37 pm

    The San Diego County medical examiner's office has ruled the death of a Mexican migrant a homicide, five days after he was shot with a stun gun by a U.S. immigration officer.

    The coroner said Wednesday that methampetemaine abuse and hypertension contributed to the death of Anastacio Hernandez, who died from cardiac arrest at a Chula Vista hospital.

    San Diego police Capt. Jim Collins says the 32-year-old was shot with a stun gun by a Customs and Border Protection officer Friday night at a San Diego border crossing. The man had wrestled two Border Patrol agents to the ground.

    Collins says results of the investigation will be sent to federal prosecutors, who will determine if criminal charges are filed.

    Mexico has condemned the use of force against Hernandez.

    NORTH COUNTY TIMES
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    SAN DIEGO — A man who died after being shot with a Taser stun gun Friday night by federal border officers had lived in the U.S. for 27 years, had five children and worked in construction, his wife said.

    Maria Puga, the wife of Anastacio Hernandez Rojas, said Tuesday that she was too distraught to comment further.

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    Meth believed to be a factor in Taser death

    By Kristina Davis, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

    Wednesday, June 2, 2010 at 2:06 p.m.


    SAN DIEGO — Methamphetamine abuse and high blood pressure were believed to be contributing factors in the death of a Mexican man who suffered a heart attack after being shot with a Taser stun gun, the Medical Examiner’s Office said Wednesday.

    Anastacio Hernandez Rojas stopped breathing after being shocked by federal border officials and was declared brain-dead at a hospital Saturday. He was taken off life support Monday.

    Authorities are still awaiting the results of toxicology tests, which could take about six weeks, to determine what substances may have been in his system when he was shocked.

    Amphetamine use is not uncommon among the human smuggling routes of East County and in Arizona, with smugglers giving the substances to their charges in an attempt to make them walk faster and longer on what can be an arduous trek. U.S. Border Patrol agents also commonly find empty cans of energy drinks strewn along smuggling trails.

    San Diego Police Department officials said Hernandez Rojas and his brother were arrested by U.S. Border Patrol agents about 7:20 p.m. Friday on suspicion of illegally crossing the border in the Otay Mountain area.

    The two men were transported to a Border Patrol station for processing, then to the border turnstile at San Ysidro to be returned to Mexico. As agents were unloading him from a van and taking off his handcuffs, police said he started fighting with the Border Patrol agents, who used batons to try to subdue him.

    U.S. Customs and Border Protection officers were called for help. A customs agent shot Hernandez Rojas in the back with a Taser and he stopped breathing shortly afterward. Officers administered CPR before paramedics took him to the hospital.

    Police are investigating the incident and documenting the amount of force used by officers before submitting the case to the U.S. Attorney’s Office for review.

    Hernandez Rojas, who had lived in the U.S. illegally for 27 years, had five children and lived in Encanto with his family. His age is listed in various documents as either 32 or 42.

    Staff writer Leslie Berestein contributed to this report.

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    If he lived in the U.S. for 27 years, he was here during the 1986 Amnesty.
    Which means he was forgiven for coming to the U.S. illegally (he would have been 5) so wouldn't he have had the opportunity to have become a legal resident?

    I am a little comfused how the system worked, could someone enlighten me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MontereySherry
    If he lived in the U.S. for 27 years, he was here during the 1986 Amnesty.
    Which means he was forgiven for coming to the U.S. illegally (he would have been 5) so wouldn't he have had the opportunity to have become a legal resident?

    I am a little comfused how the system worked, could someone enlighten me?
    His parents would have had to apply for the amnesty for him. Amnesty is not automatic, you have to apply for it and pay a fee and go through the process. At that time, you also had to leave the country and re-enter legally once your paperwork was approved. His parents did not do this for him. It could have been that they just did not do it, or there was some reason they would have not gotten the amnesty. You had to have a clean police record to get it. But some just did not bother with it. But yes, if his parents would have applied for the amnesty, he could have gotten it at that time.
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