Thread: Supreme Court Decision Outlines Why Illegal Aliens Are REQUIRED To Be Taught

Originally Posted by artist

If you really check and see what doctors/hospitals charge and what they get paid by ANY INSURER---they are being compensated, just not quite as much as they can get by primos. Shame on them!

Since I have seen the bills and I have seen the Medicare and insurance payments, I know that is bogus. I even brought it up to my provider. I know that many years ago, my daughter got her bill when she had a baby. At that time, she went into a rage about them charging $50 for aspirin. Their justification then as well as with my current provider now was that they have to make up the loss on major procedures that they are not properly paid for in order to stay in business.

In a similar strategy, talking to my truck parts supplier, he told me that large items like transmissions or engines, he sold at cost, maybe even a loss. He used this to attract customers who while there would buy small items, such as nuts and bolts, for a greatly inflated price. My observation is it would not be profitable for me to go to different stores to save 50 cents on a bolt. That's where his profit was. So I would pay the inflated price. When it came to buying an engine, a $100 dollar saving can pay for the gas and time shopping around.

Originally Posted by artist

They just downgrade their doctors to lower paid foreigners or limited services. Medicare/medicaid/uninsured keeps some dr/hospitals afloat moneywise. The problem for Americans is if you own anything that they can put a lien on for services - that they will do. Illegals own nothing.

And that is a preferable solution? Between all my specialists I have 5 different doctors. Being a troublemaker, I talk about my various treatments and prescriptions among each of them. And I get conflicting recommendations. Four of them I respect their recommendations, but one I don't. Yet he seems to be the best that's not miles away.

The only hospital near me has had a bad rep for years. Then they were taken over by Tenet. One doctor who has been with that hospital for years said it has gotten worse under Tenet. When I did go to that hospital, they didn't even have enough blood to give me, so they transferred me to another Tenet hospital about an hour away. There, while the nurses were fine, doctors seemed nonexistent. As for my stay, I was in there for six weeks. My specialist, who was with me from day one, indicated that he was ready to release me after about two weeks. In fact I was getting therapy to learn to walk again, after only a week and a half there. But because virtually no other doctors bothered to visit me and examine me, I collapsed, and ended up with about 4 more weeks in the hospital.

My specialist, who did come several times a week to visit me, looked at his x-rays of me and sonograms to see if he could verify the problem I complained about, which I had been complaining about from the fifth day I was in that hospital, but he said that was not his area of expertise and his x-rays and sonograms did not give him a clear view of that part of my body.

It was one of the regular nurses who diagnosed me and got the hospital to call in a specialist. It took him about two minutes to examine me and diagnose the very problem I had been complaining about for 5 weeks. He gave a prescription which arrived about an hour later. The next day my symptoms cleared, and that after noon they started therapy again to teach me to walk. Two days later I was released.

Once home I started getting the bills. One organization billed me for doctor visits for every day I was in the hospital, I never saw one of them. Although I notified Medicare, they would not go after the doctors because Medicare declined their bills and therefore had no loss. Of course those doctors continue to come after me.

So I don't buy your contention that reducing personnel and hiring lower skilled, cheaper doctors and personnel is acceptable. What they get doesn't cover what it costs, so they have to over-bill those they can squeeze money out of. We get lower quality care for a higher price!

Originally Posted by Judy

No, you just deport them and send the people home. That is the law. If you let them stay you pay, if you deport, A-okay.

So you are saying that if a person shows up at a hospital needing emergency treatment or delivery of a baby, if they are an illegal alien, the hospitals can just say "No!"?

Originally Posted by artist

If you really check and see what doctors/hospitals charge and what they get paid by ANY INSURER---they are being compensated, just not quite as much as they can get by primos. Shame on them!

And au contrare' - some dr/hospitals are glad to get the multitude of payments for treating illegals. They just downgrade their doctors to lower paid foreigners or limited services. Medicare/medicaid/uninsured keeps some dr/hospitals afloat moneywise. The problem for Americans is if you own anything that they can put a lien on for services - that they will do. Illegals own nothing.

Exactly!!! Our entire health system is under attack by the evil of illegal immigration and the excesses of legal immigration, just like our education and welfare safety nets, jobs, wages, politics, elections. These morons worried about Russians doing research on free speech on the internet in the US need to refocus their attention and our resources on real issues like massive illegal and excess immigration.

So I don't buy your contention that reducing personnel and hiring lower skilled, cheaper doctors and personnel is acceptable. What they get doesn't cover what it costs, so they have to over-bill those they can squeeze money out of. We get lower quality care for a higher price!

Never said it was acceptable, just said it is a reality.

Some hospitals can't make it with smaller payments from insurers but some are grossly mismanaged too. That is why other hospitals take over and bingo, back in business.

Hospitals charge the max for services if you want to pay your bill yourself but will take 50% or more less from an insurance company for the same procedure. Any bill unpaid, or refused payment by an insurer, is on you and the hospital will put a lien on your property.

If you have reached your coverage limit with your insurer and you need a cancer drug, you need cash if you want further treatment. Know of one case where $2500 cash per pill was needed for cont'd treatment and it requires 2 pills. No guarantee they will work either.
Same for treatments they won't cover. Unfortunately our seniors have limitations - medicare will not pay for certain things. Open borders ryan is pushing for cutting back medicare & SS.

Have heard of liver transplants for illegals. Very costly and any kind of transplant requires ongoing drugs.

A pregnant woman cannot be refused by any hospital in USA. They also get free pre-natal care too. It is a bonanza for the illegals - Americans pay for all their kids birthing, healthcare, schooling, dental, special classes etc. ALL FREE FOR THEM.