Thread: When corp.scholarship winner is illegal!

Besides the fact that the child is an illegal because he was brought into the country through an unlawful process, what other reasons are there -why they should be punished?

Taking in state tuition out of the dream act, would you still consider it as a bad bill?

If amnesty is granted to them and they successfully gradute of a higher institutions they would be doing the same thing for your children (paying taxes for education) don't you think?

Originally Posted by metalm

Besides the fact that the child is an illegal because he was brought into the country through an unlawful process, what other reasons are there -why they should be punished?

Taking in state tuition out of the dream act, would you still consider it as a bad bill?

If amnesty is granted to them and they successfully graduate of a higher institutions they would be doing the same thing for your children (paying taxes for education) don't you think?

Because if we reward them and reward their families with citizenship then more children will be brought, more will die in the crossing, more will be brought to be used as tools to take advantage of AMERICA's GENEROSITY!

Name one behaviour that you want to stop that rewards help reduce. Name JUST ONE. I guess you could make the same argument that if we gave drugs to drug addicts they would not need to steal to pay for them anymore.

The people responsible for this legislation should be ashamed of themselves for using children as human pawns and political weapons.

The responsibility for these children is NOT with the US taxpayer. It is with their families. Their families should be fined and penalized accordingly and sent back with the clear message to the others.

Don't break into the US like a burglar to see what you can take while waving your kid around as political bargaining chip.

Until we show the strength to say no and mean it, then America is headed for a fall.

Can the businessman that cannot say NO and mean it to those that want to enter at any time and take what they want stay in business?

Can the home that has not locks or residents willing to defend their space be a home?

Americans are being beaten down mentally and physically and told YOU CANNOT SAY NO. You will take our money, take our schools, take our land, take our lives, take, take, take, take.

Why is it every time I read one of these sob stories it involves something else YOU want for someone that is not even supposed to be in my country.

NO! And we mean it.

Illegals go home. We will give that grant and that college seat to an American or a legal immigrant first. Young adults that apply for college and scholarships with criminal backgrounds should be dropped for consideration. This includes illegal aliens.

W

Metalm

Besides the fact that the child is an illegal because he was brought into the country through an unlawful process, what other reasons are there -why they should be punished?

Please read the article. Mr. Vega was not brought into our country by his parents as a young child.

Besides the fact that the child is an illegal because he was brought into the country through an unlawful process, what other reasons are there -why they should be punished?

Punished? How is lawfully denying someone something they are not legally entitled to in the first place..punishment? If I snuck into Mexico and offered to pay FULL tuition at the University of Mexico, should I feel "punished" when they kick me out on my ear?

So if I ask someone to lend me some cash on the street because my car ran out of gas, they are punishing me if they say no?

Imagine asking someone out on a date and they say politely "No" and your retort becomes "Why are you punishing me!?!?"

They are trying to make false accusation that we are all RACIST AMERICANS that are punishers and abusers of children.

W

It is true that rewarding does not help reduce. I cannot deny the fact that if amnesty is granted it will encourage greater immigration activity. I think the best compromise would be the one that ensures borders are secured (illegal entry, overstays), laws enforced, and those who can prove themselves worthy along with children should be given a chance.

I do not have compassion for illegals that break the law (commit murders, rapes) they should sentenced, deported, punished. They have already the grace of being in this beatiful country to be destroying it.

Is it really fair that someone that has lived in this country for most of his life get's sent back to a place he barely remembers? Just ignoring the fact that he/she is a lawbreaker why should they be deported?

Limited Seats in College
I have personally not seen any studies on this which show a great percent of seats taken by illegals. Legal and non legals have the same chance to get those seats. If you want to ensure you get seats in your college, study hard and earn your spot. Just remember not every illegal looks forward to education and many end up joining gangs, doing drugs.

in-state tuition for illegal aliens
It's not a necessity but would be helpful. A loan and ability to work would be able to get basic education to get a decent job.

extra points on your application if you can prove minority status.
I believe this is not-right and should be corrected.

It's just the fact that many have already made lots of connections and consider this as a home. Just "try" and picture yourself getting kicked out of your own country. I have friends that are in this position and feel sorry for their current standing.

Whether you are for or against illegal immigration, I think you have to take a look at both sides of the coin and make a decision based on your beliefs.

Originally Posted by metalm

Whether you are for or against illegal immigration, I think you have to take a look at both sides of the coin and make a decision based on your beliefs.

I've looked at both sides of the coins as most Americans have and I stand with the over 4 out of 5 that reject in-state tution for illegal aliens and reject amnesty for illegal aliens that are inside of the US.

W

We just had a similar case featured on the front page of the Tucson paper a week ago. A young lady was ranked 8th in her graduating class and was originally eligible for a scholarship to the University of Arizona. They took back their offer too when they found out she wasn't a legal U.S. resident. Her mother brought her here illegally when she was 12 years old I believe.

Mr. Vega, I'll ask you the same question I posted in the local paper I did about her. Why didn't the parent or the student seek the help of an immigration attorney or a school counselor for guidance as to what steps to take to get the student's status legal? The failure to take this logical step boggles my mind, especially if these students are so academically smart. It must be awkward for a smart teenager to not be able to do the things that the rest of their peers do, like get a drivers license or hold a part time job. Why didn't you turn to someone for help?

Originally Posted by metalm

It is true that rewarding does not help reduce. I cannot deny the fact that if amnesty is granted it will encourage greater immigration activity. I think the best compromise would be the one that ensures borders are secured (illegal entry, overstays), laws enforced, and those who can prove themselves worthy along with children should be given a chance.

This has a familiar ring. Sounds a lot like the amnesty act of 1986 which was supposed to prevent future illegal immigration.

Worked just great didn't it.

I do not have compassion for illegals that break the law (commit murders, rapes) they should sentenced, deported, punished. They have already the grace of being in this beatiful country to be destroying it.

Well, your friends that have been here for most of their lives illegally are also breaking the laws. They came here without permission (against the law), they use legal citizens s.s.#'s to gain privilages (against the law), and they have stolen thousands of tax payers dollars by enrolling their children into our school districts, using our hospitals as free clinics, and using our welfare system.

[quote:3gnt9lze]Is it really fair that someone that has lived in this country for most of his life get's sent back to a place he barely remembers? Just ignoring the fact that he/she is a lawbreaker why should they be deported?

Yes, its fair!!!!! Is it fair to allow amnesty to all illegals that are here and make our country into just another Mexico? We will no longer have a middle class, is that fair? Is it fair that citizens from another country threaten us on our own land to give them amnesty? Is it fair that they will not learn English, in many cases, and expect us to speak Spanish? Is it fair that when you go to the hospital you have to wait days to see a specialist or you have to be sent to another hospital because the system is being distroyed? I could keep going....

It's just the fact that many have already made lots of connections and consider this as a home. Just "try" and picture yourself getting kicked out of your own country. I have friends that are in this position and feel sorry for their current standing.

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I'm sorry, but I will not shed a tear when they are gone! They can build new connections in their own homeland. This is not their country so you should not ask us to imagine being kick out of our own country. They have are like parasites and it is time for America to be cleansed of the bloodsuckers that are killing us!!!!! Go back home!!!!