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05-23-2009, 07:33 PM #31Originally Posted by butterbean
against them getting welfare. Maybe there will be a domino effect!If Palestine puts down their guns, there will be peace.
If Israel puts down their guns there will be no more Israel.
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05-23-2009, 07:58 PM #32
Once illegals get the word that California will be cutting off their welfare, they will be leaving in droves!! They all watch the spanish news stations and the top stories will tell them this. Once other states start implementing laws against this too, they will have no choice but to GO HOME!! Once the gravy train stops, so will this massive illegal immigration problem. They are here for the freebies. They cannot afford to be here on the income they make! They will leave on their own. ATTRITION THROUGH ENFORCEMENT at it's best!
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05-23-2009, 10:13 PM #33Originally Posted by JohnDoe2
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05-23-2009, 11:23 PM #34
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The court majority rejected this claim, finding instead that "no plausible distinction with respect to Fourteenth Amendment 'jurisdiction' can be drawn between resident aliens whose entry into the United States was lawful, and resident aliens whose entry was unlawful."
No it is not the kid's fault they were brought here, and there are plenty of kids who have arrived being smuggled by coyotes, stuck in some dashboard or being marched through the desert with or to rejoin the illegal parent. But half these munchkins would not have to make such a trip if the parent knew that the kid will get his/her education in the illegal community.Join our efforts to Secure America's Borders and End Illegal Immigration by Joining ALIPAC's E-Mail Alerts network (CLICK HERE)
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05-23-2009, 11:36 PM #35
Have heard the feds made a law, think it was during Clinton's term, that put a limit on how long people could get welfare. Was to encourage people to find a job. Also heard it worked. However CA never enforced the law.
Have heard countless number of people talk about how the cost of illegals has largely put us in this mess but the legislators obviously don't want to go there.
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05-24-2009, 12:19 AM #36Originally Posted by jean
Welfare clock running out
As 5-year limit on benefits approaches, poor parents need financial help despite finding new jobs
Zachary Coile, Chronicle Washington Bureau
Sunday, July 7, 2002
In passing the landmark welfare reforms of 1996, Congress set a strict, five-year lifetime limit on cash payments from the federal government, arguing that the loss of benefits was the only way to motivate poor parents to get jobs. In California, the clock started ticking in January 1998.
More than half of those California adults did in fact get jobs, but they earned so little that they were still eligible for a welfare check. As a result, about 106,000 adults will be the first in California to reach their lifetime limits on Dec. 31. Each month thereafter, another 1,800 families will hit the cutoff.
Assemblywoman Dion Aroner, D-Berkeley, says she worries that many of the families who are "timed out" -won't be able to afford to pay rent, especially in expensive housing markets such as the Bay Area.
"We're already worried about housing costs. The question is: Is this going to throw a whole group of families into poverty?" said Aroner, the chief architect of California's version of welfare reform. "We know that many of our families are on the edge already."
California, unlike most other states, is trying to soften the blow by continuing monthly payments to the children of those who had received federal welfare money. And welfare recipients will still be able to qualify for services like food stamps and health care through Medi-Cal.
But the cuts will slice deeply into the budgets of many poor families. A single mother with two children would lose $131 a month, reducing her monthly grant to $548. If she had one child, her check would be cut by $212, to $336.
A mother and father with two kids who reach the time limit would see their monthly check cut by $261, to $548. If they had one child, they would lose $343, for a grant of $336.
Aroner said the time limits might be the hardest on immigrant families, where parents often work jobs that pay so little they have continued to qualify for cash assistance the past five years. She predicts that many families will be forced to move in with friends and relatives, and a smaller number could be pushed into homelessness.
"Those families can still get assistance," she said. "They can still send their kids to school, they can still get emergency care. They just -don't have a place to live. The pressures it puts on families are extraordinary."
Welfare caseworkers in California's 58 counties are trying to identify those who will reach the limit next year and help prepare them for the deadline. State officials said families who reached the limit would still be eligible for two years of child care assistance. If counties can afford it, they may also offer families an extra year of employment services.
"We have to emphasize what opportunities for services will still be there," said Bruce Wagstaff, deputy director of the state Department of Social Services, who oversees the welfare to work division. "And we have to make every effort to make sure they are lined up with these things."
Despite the fallout expected for some families, most state and county welfare officials believe the time limits have had the intended effect of pushing more recipients into work, helping to cut the state's welfare rolls from 843,000 in 1996 to an estimated 522,000 last year.
"People are generally supportive of time limits," Wagstaff said. "The question is how you treat families before the time limits (are reached) and the kind of services you offer them after."
In Alameda County, officials expect about 1,700 welfare families to reach their five-year limit in January.
A survey by the county found that 68 percent of those reaching the limit are Asian American, mostly immigrant families. More than half had two to three children, and more than two-thirds were earning some kind of wage - though 38 percent made less than $400 a month.
"Before welfare reform, we had the nonworking poor," said Sylvia Miles, a spokeswoman for the county's social services agency. "Since welfare reform, what we have had is the working poor."
In Contra Costa County, about 580 welfare recipients will be timed out next year, including 176 as of Dec. 31. More than 80 percent are welfare mothers, and three-quarters have been on aid for more than nine years. But only a third are currently not doing any kind of work, according to county figures.
Wendy Therrain, Contra Costa County's workforce services director, said the county was working with the Federation of Interfaith Coalitions, a faith-based group, to connect parents who were about to be dropped from the rolls with former welfare recipients who had already made a successful transition off of aid. The county also has its case managers meeting with families to devise plans for handling the aid cutoff.
In San Francisco, officials are preparing for about 600 families who hit the time limit at the end of this year. About one-third are Chinese and one- third are Vietnamese. Seventy-five percent do not speak English. More than 75 percent of the recipients are working, though on average the families make only $1,000 a month.
"They do tend to work, and they tend to work in fairly stable jobs, though they are fairly low-paying, like restaurant work or a job at a convenience store," said Trent Rhorer, executive director of San Francisco's Human Services Department. By making low wages, many immigrants have kept their eligibility for aid, which has helped to supplement their income, Rhorer said.
As their cash grant diminishes, families should get a slight increase in food stamps of about $30 to $40, which could help offset the cut, Rhorer said. However, he said, his biggest fear for San Francisco families coming off of federal aid is eviction.
"Housing, obviously, is what keeps families stable," he said. "Once you get into homelessness in the Bay Area, you have a long road out of it."
E-mail Zachary Coile at zcoile@sfchronicle.com.
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05-24-2009, 12:34 AM #37
Interesting. Had heard about our generous welfare on a talk radio show not long ago, perhaps they were wrong?
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05-24-2009, 12:48 AM #38Originally Posted by jeanNO AMNESTY
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05-24-2009, 01:02 PM #39
This is the best thing CA. has done so far.
I can't wait to see what the illegal aliens do when they find out that their anchor babies are no longer their main source of income and they actually have to pay for themselves. I hope they return home and take their anchors with them, but I fear they will leave the kids here and the taxpayers will still be on the hook for them.NO AMNESTY
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05-24-2009, 02:05 PM #40Originally Posted by JohnDoe2
and somehow coming to the rescue of the damn leeches. We'll see, keep us posted.If Palestine puts down their guns, there will be peace.
If Israel puts down their guns there will be no more Israel.
Dick Morris
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