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    RON PAUL: Americans will opt out of Obamacare with or without Congress, but we can seize the opportunity today by crafting the legal framework to allow them to do so.”
    To the first part, yes they will I believe. To the second part, Ron Paul is a very astute man.
    As Aristotle said, “Tolerance and apathy are the first virtue of a dying civilization.â€

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    To the first part, yes they will I believe. To the second part, Ron Paul is a very astute man.
    Yes he is but still no one is listening....They will opt out, and not pay the tax either, and some will go to jail. It will be a mess before it gets resolved. It is not what our country needs at this point and time, 2700 pages of rule, regulations and etc and it was still passed....How many of those judges read the whole thing, it is not constitutional !!!!!

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    This is a taste of things to come and guess who's name pops up again!!!!! 2700 pages of rules and regulations can you just imagine whats to come,WOW what a deal!!!!


    Did ‘Frontline’ Attack on Dentistry Rely on Convicted Felon?
    PBS, Soros-funded groups involved in dental documentary that pushes socialized medicine.

    Published: 6/27/2012 3:52 PM ET

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    For-profit dental care is awful, according to a new report by PBS’s “Frontline.” The piece pushed socialized medicine and attacked dentistry companies, especially the firm Kool Smiles. But the story relied on whistleblower comments from a former Kool Smiles employee who is not only suing the firm, she may well have a felony criminal record.

    The employee, Christina Bowne, was a former office manager for the company, and is suing the firm for wrongful termination. However, according to a Virginia Criminal Record report, a Christina Summers Bowne, from the same area of Virginia, was convicted of “obtaining money by false pretenses.” That woman was given a five-year sentence, which was suspended. No one responded to attempts to either contact Bowne or PBS “Frontline” producer Jill Rosenbaum.

    The hour-long documentary relied heavily on anti-industry interview subjects, such as Bowne, politicians and competitors to depict for-profit dentistry as bad. Reporter Miles O’Brien, formerly of CNN, was the on-screen personality. However, in a “Frontline” chat on June 27, O’Brien made it clear he liked the non-profit model over Kool Smiles.

    “I think the Sarell Dental model in Alabama Sarrell Dental Center
    is worthy of imitation. It is a non profit that focuses on poor kids. Dentists are paid a straight salary ... no matter how many kids they see or filling or crowns they do. When you remove the pressure to increase production, the nature of the care changes. In this case, Alabama leads the nation!”

    The documentary also mentioned an audit by the state of Massachusetts into Kool Smiles. The context implied that this had to do with medical malpractice complaints. In actuality, the audit looked into discrepancies caused mainly by standard clerical and computer errors. Kool Smiles responded with a presentation that is currently posted on the "Frontline" website. As Kool Smiles pointed out in its response, in any medical practice, there are bound to be a few unhappy patients.

    One of the examples that PBS used was of an 87-year-old woman who was “tricked” into taking out a credit card to pay for her dental work, and she had “charges accrue before she left the office.”

    But those complaints reflected the ignorance of the show’s writers about how credit works. The point of a healthcare credit card is simple. It provides a way for people to pay back their dental bills in increments, rather than in one shot. Of course the bill accrued interest. The woman in question had already spent the money to pay it.

    Then “Frontline” focused on a grandmother who brought her two grandchildren to the dentist and was shocked that, not only would the dentist not accept Medicaid, but there were no “discounts or rebates” for her, after she had been going to the dentist for 30 years. She described such treatment as “unreal,” and since that was the only reference at all to her story, it was obvious “Frontline” agreed with her. Many people probably are not aware that it is a common practice for dentists to give discounts to the family members of long time customers. Mainly because it isn’t.

    The “Frontline” special was made in conjunction with the Center for Public Integrity, using the results of a Pew Research Center poll. Like-minded organizations tend to scratch each other’s backs. In this case the Pew Research Center, and CPI are both funded by Soros. Pew got $500,000 in Soros money in 2009 alone. The Center for Public Integrity got $2,416,000 in Soros funds from 2000-2003.

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    The following is Tenth Amendment Center approved legislation to nullify federal overreach into the health care industry. Activists, we encourage you to send this to your state senators and representatives – and ask them to introduce this legislation in your state.
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    An Act to render null and void certain unconstitutional laws enacted by the Congress of the United States, taking control over the health insurance industry and mandating that individuals purchase health insurance under threat of penalty.
    SECTION 1. The legislature of the State of ____________ finds that:
    1. The People of the several states comprising the United States of America created the federal government to be their agent for certain enumerated purposes, and nothing more.
    2. The Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution defines the total scope of federal power as being that which has been delegated by the people of the several states to the federal government, and all power not delegated to the federal government in the Constitution of the United States is reserved to the states respectively, or to the people themselves.
    3. The assumption of power that the federal government has made by enacting the “Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act” interferes with the right of the People of the State of _____________ to regulate health care as they see fit, and makes a mockery of James Madison’s assurance in Federalist #45 that the “powers delegated” to the Federal Government are “few and defined”, while those of the States are “numerous and indefinite.”
    SECTION 2. NEW LAW
    A new section of law to be codified in the [STATE] Statutes as Section [NUMBER] of Title [NUMBER], unless there is created a duplication in numbering, reads as follows:
    A. The Legislature of the State of _______________ declares that the federal law known as the “Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act,” signed by President Barack Obama on March 23, 2010, is not authorized by the Constitution of the United States and violates its true meaning and intent as given by the Founders and Ratifiers, and is hereby declared to be invalid in this state, shall not be recognized by this state, is specifically rejected by this state, and shall be considered null and void and of no effect in this state.
    B. It shall be the duty of the legislature of this State to adopt and enact any and all measures as may be necessary to prevent the enforcement of the “Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act” within the limits of this State.
    C. Any official, agent, or employee of the United States government or any employee of a corporation providing services to the United States government that enforces or attempts to enforce an act, order, law, statute, rule or regulation of the government of the United States in violation of this act shall be guilty of a felony and upon conviction must be punished by a fine not exceeding five thousand dollars ($5,000.00), or a term of imprisonment not exceeding five (5) years, or both.
    D. Any public officer or employee of the State of ____________ that enforces or attempts to enforce an act, order, law, statute, rule or regulation of the government of the United States in violation of this act shall be guilty of a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment in the county jail not exceeding two (2) years or by a fine not exceeding One Thousand Dollars ($1,000.00) or both such fine and imprisonment.
    E. Any aggrieved party shall also have a private action against any person violating the provisions of subsections (C) or (D).
    SECTION 3. This act takes effect upon approval by the Governor.

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    Oh isn't that special they were all for it before they were against it!!!! The American People were ignored and they rammed it down our throats against our wishes. even after they were told "you had to pass it to read it" by queen holy Polsie!!!!! Now how many of you know what a pig in a poke is???? Now tell me Miss Sarah weren't you part of that to begin with...all you politicians make me puke



    SARAH PALIN: 'Obama Lies, Freedom Dies'
    Brett LoGiurato | Jun. 28, 2012, 10:48 AM | 67,280 | 133



    UPDATE (2:00 P.M. ET): Palin also reacted on her Facebook page, saying "Thank God" for the Supreme Court because it would rally conservatives around the election:

    SCOTUS now rules this is a tax? Well, Congress has the ability to create taxes – and also has the ability to rescind them. Upon their return from the July recess, Congress should act immediately to repeal this terrible new tax on the American people, and indeed they must repeal all of Obamacare. This is the most brazen and sweeping new tax and government overreach imposed on us. We the People did not ask for this tax, we do not want this tax, and we can’t afford this tax. This is not an answer to America’s health care challenges.

    Sarah Palin just tweeted her reaction to the Supreme Court's Obamacare ruling.

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    What she's referring to: In 2009, Barack Obama said the mandate was "not a tax." The Supreme Court just upheld the mandate as a tax.

    On her Facebook page Monday, Palin wrote a post defending her claim that Obamacare creates a "death panel."

    "If the Supreme Court doesn’t strike down Obamacare entirely, then Congress must act to repeal IPAB and Obamacare before it is indeed 'too late,'" she wrote. "All of Obamacare must go one way or another."

    Read more: Sarah Palin's Reaction To Obamacare Ruling: 'Obama Lies, Freedom Dies' - Business Insider






    Sarah Palin's Reaction To Obamacare Ruling: 'Obama Lies, Freedom Dies' - Business Insider

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    Rush Limbaugh Completely Melted Down Over The Obamacare Decision
    Brett LoGiurato | Jun. 28, 2012, 2:38 PM | 20,544 | 135



    Rush Limbaugh, as you might imagine, was not pleased at the Supreme Court's decision that upheld the Affordable Care Act on Thursday.

    He railed against the Supreme Court on his radio show Thursday, blasting John Roberts and saying that America had "been betrayed and deceived by the Supreme Court. He said it was the "largest tax increase in the history of the world."

    "What has been upheld here is fraud, and the Internal Revenue Service has just become Barack Obama's domestic army," Limbaugh said. "That is what we face now. We were deceived. Obamacare was a lie. It was a stealth tax on all Americans, and nobody knew it until today. Not officially. Obama told George Stephanopoulos it wasn't a tax. And Stephanopoulos was trouble-making for trying to suggest otherwise."

    He summed it all up with a shot at the Supreme Court's week overall, in which the court upheld Obamacare and overturned three key provisions in Arizona's immigration law.

    "Between the Arizona and Obamacare decisions, America is a very different concept than it was just a week ago," Limbaugh said. "In the United States of America, you either purchase what central authorities tell you to purchase or they will punish you with taxes. In America, states are not allowed to fully protect their citizens from the slow-motion invasion across their borders."

    Listen below:




    Read more: Rush Limbaugh Melts Down At Obamacare Supreme Court Decision - Business Insider







    Who your gonna vote for!! The socialist or the corporate fascist fun is coming to river city, flim flam, flim flam,,
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    I Am Down on John Roberts.

    Posted by Thomas Crown (Diary)

    Thursday, June 28th at 12:11PM EDT
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    [promoted from the diaries]

    I’m taking time from reading the opinion (which itself represents taking time from billing clients), so this will be a quickie.

    I’m not trying to gainsay Erick at length here (though concededly the title is a provocation), but I do want to get this out. We do not choose justices, on our side, because of policy results; we choose them for process, which we believe will usually, but not always, produce better results. Process matters in the law, because process is the law. When the law upon which the majority of our citizens through their representatives have agreed is followed, the result is axiomatically better either substantively or educationally, that is, because it shows us where our process is wrong.

    This is even more important where the Constitution is involved, because the certainty of those processes is the bedrock on which our legal order is predicated. No certainty, no order; no order, no inferior laws.

    While we should care about the Court’s result today, what should frighten us is the process used to achieve it.

    What Roberts did today is to deflect mounting criticism of the court — including revived court packing schemes! — from the left. Roberts knows, from decades around conservatives, that we are no threat to the judiciary; not to put too fine a point on it, we’re like black voters with the Democrat Party. We’ll keep taking the abuse and coming back for more.

    To preserve the Court’s institutional legacy, and to avoid an expansion of the Commerce Clause — a bete noire to the conservative movement for decades untold — he instead expanded the Taxation power. There is now literally no national policy that cannot be effected by placing in opposition to that policy a monstrously large tax, with the threat of fines, bankruptcy, and jail on the other side. None.

    The idea that the mandate is a tax, and one allowed by the Taxation power, is facially ridiculous: You face a tax for existence, and can only escape it by paying for private insurance.

    Taxation, as the Founders recognized, is an arrogation of power to the government. The power to tax is the power to control.

    This is not to say we would have been better with Harriet Miers, or indeed, with anyone else. It’s to say that the Chief, who made the protection of the Court’s institutional image and entirely persuasive power his foremost goal, has gutted the limitation on enumerated powers to achieve that goal.

    The result is awful. The process is worse.



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    Supreme Court Ruling On Obamacare Is Insane, by Devvy Kidd

    06-28-2012 • rense.com
    Not under the commerce clause, but under the taxing power of the Outlaw Congress.

    Roberts sided with the socialists on the court. He was the swing vote on this case.

    Many states have voted to reject Obamacare.

    I have said all along: Look out. The forcing of an 'individual mandate' will be upheld by the IRS with a gun to your head and that's just what old Roberts said.

    The states can reject Obamacare, but how are they going to protect their citizens from the IRS?

    To say I'm shocked is putting it mildly.

    The impostor president said over and over and over the bill was not a tax.

    What Roberts and the rest of the !@!#! on the court said is the criminal syndicate (Congress) can force you and me to purchase anything they want to shove down our throats. The court said those gangsters can legislate have the "right" to legislate our behavior. It is truly insane.

    "To consider the judges as the ultimate arbiters of all constitutional questions [is] a very dangerous doctrine indeed, and one which would place us under the despotism of an oligarchy. Our judges are as honest as other men and not more so. They have with others the same passions for party, for power, and the privilege of their corps. Their maxim is boni judicis est ampliare jurisdictionem [good justice is broad jurisdiction], and their power the more dangerous as they are in office for life and not responsible, as the other functionaries are, to the elective control. The Constitution has erected no such single tribunal, knowing that to whatever hands confided, with the corruptions of time and party, its members would become despots. It has more wisely made all the departments co-equal and co-sovereign within themselves." --Thomas Jefferson to William C. Jarvis, 1820. ME 15:277

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    Not under the commerce clause, but under the taxing power of the Outlaw Congress.

    Roberts sided with the socialists on the court. He was the swing vote on this case.

    Many states have voted to reject Obamacare.

    I have said all along: Look out. The forcing of an 'individual mandate' will be upheld by the IRS with a gun to your head and that's just what old Roberts said.

    The states can reject Obamacare, but how are they going to protect their citizens from the IRS?

    To say I'm shocked is putting it mildly.

    The impostor president said over and over and over the bill was not a tax.

    What Roberts and the rest of the !@!#! on the court said is the criminal syndicate (Congress) can force you and me to purchase anything they want to shove down our throats. The court said those gangsters have the "right" to legislate our behavior. It is truly insane.

    "To consider the judges as the ultimate arbiters of all constitutional questions [is] a very dangerous doctrine indeed, and one which would place us under the despotism of an oligarchy. Our judges are as honest as other men and not more so. They have with others the same passions for party, for power, and the privilege of their corps. Their maxim is boni judicis est ampliare jurisdictionem [good justice is broad jurisdiction], and their power the more dangerous as they are in office for life and not responsible, as the other functionaries are, to the elective control. The Constitution has erected no such single tribunal, knowing that to whatever hands confided, with the corruptions of time and party, its members would become despots. It has more wisely made all the departments co-equal and co-sovereign within themselves." --Thomas Jefferson to William C. Jarvis, 1820. ME 15:277

    "In denying the right [the Supreme Court usurps] of exclusively explaining the Constitution, I go further than [others] do, if I understand rightly [this] quotation from the Federalist of an opinion that 'the judiciary is the last resort in relation to the other departments of the government, but not in relation to the rights of the parties to the compact under which the judiciary is derived.' If this opinion be sound, then indeed is our Constitution a complete felo de se [act of suicide]. For intending to establish three departments, coordinate and independent, that they might check and balance one another, it has given, according to this opinion, to one of them alone the right to prescribe rules for the government of the others, and to that one, too, which is unelected by and independent of the nation. For experience has already shown that the impeachment it has provided is not even a scare-crow... The Constitution on this hypothesis is a mere thing of wax in the hands of the judiciary, which they may twist and shape into any form they please." --Thomas Jefferson to Spencer Roane, 1819. ME 15:212

    "This member of the Government was at first considered as the most harmless and helpless of all its organs. But it has proved that the power of declaring what the law is, ad libitum, by sapping and mining slyly and without alarm the foundations of the Constitution, can do what open force would not dare to attempt." --Thomas Jefferson to Edward Livingston, 1825. ME 16:114

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    Supreme Court Ruling On Obamacare Is Insane, by Devvy Kidd

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    Special Live Broadcast from the Cato Institute
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    The Supreme Court’s Obamacare Ruling:
    What Does It All Mean?

    In a complex decision, the Supreme Court has ruled that the individual mandate component of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act is constitutional under Congress's taxing power. What is left of the idea that the Constitution creates a government of limited powers? What does this case-of-the-century mean for both the Constitution and our health care system? Two panels of experts will engage in an in-depth discussion of these issues, and more, in the immediate wake of the Supreme Court’s historic decision.

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    Health care decision: House GOP to renew repeal effort



    John Boehner is pictured. | Jay Westcott/POLITICO

    'The president’s health care law is hurting our economy,' Boehner said. | Jay Westcott/POLITICO
    By JAKE SHERMAN, MANU RAJU and SEUNG MIN KIM | 6/28/12 10:56 AM EDT Updated: 6/28/12 11:57 AM EDT

    House Republicans said after the Supreme Court’s ruling upholding President Barack Obama’s health care law that they’ll vote to repeal it after Congress returns from its July Fourth recess.

    The House will vote to repeal the health care law — again — on July 11, the office of House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) said. But it will most likely amount to little: Democrats didn’t want to repeal it when its constitutionality was still in question, and now they have the Supreme Court’s stamp of approval.
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    Indeed, Senate Democrats are ready to “move on” to other job creation legislation, Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said.

    In the wake of the ruling upholding the law, Republicans don’t have to contend with trying to replace popular provisions but, rather, will try to hack away at the law they dubbed “Obamacare.”

    “Today’s ruling underscores the urgency of repealing this harmful law in its entirety,” Speaker John Boehner said in a statement. “What Americans want is a common-sense, step-by-step approach to health care reform…”

    Cantor was more blunt, called the ruling “a crushing blow to patients throughout the country.”

    But Reid took the floor shortly after the decision and made it clear he has no intention of taking up legislation now.

    Reid urged Republicans to stop fighting “yesterday’s battles” and dubbed the health care law the “greatest single step in generations toward ensuring access to affordable, quality health care for every person in America.”

    (Also on POLITICO: GOP leaders rip law, not SCOTUS decision)

    “No longer will Americans live in fear of losing their health insurance because they lose their job,” Reid said from the Senate floor. “No longer will tens of millions of Americans rely on emergency room care, or go without care entirely because they have no insurance at all. Soon virtually every man, woman and child in America will have access to health insurance they can afford and the vital care they need.”

    His counterpart, Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), responded that the ruling does nothing to change that the law is bad — and that Republicans should push forward in repealing it..

    “Today’s decision does nothing to diminish the fact that Obamacare’s mandates, tax hikes and Medicare cuts should be repealed and replaced with common-sense reforms that lower costs and that the American people actually want,” McConnell said. “It is my hope that with new leadership in the White House and Senate, we can enact these step-by-step solutions and prevent further damage from this terrible law.”

    Read more: Health care decision: House GOP to renew repeal effort - Jake Sherman and Manu Raju and Seung Min Kim - POLITICO.com




    Health care decision: House GOP to renew repeal effort - Jake Sherman and Manu Raju and Seung Min Kim - POLITICO.com
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