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    Pro-Gun Democrat To Fox News: Gun Control Is Not Dead, We Will 'Absolutely' Try Anoth

    Pro-Gun Democrat To Fox News: Gun Control Is Not Dead, We Will 'Absolutely' Try Another Vote



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    Appearing on Fox News Sunday, Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV) expressed optimism that the Senate could take up another stab at gun control, with a bill that expands criminal background checks and reforms mental health restrictions for gun ownership. Discussing his desire to revive a narrower version of gun control legislation with Republican Sen. Pat Toomey (Penn.), Manchin urged to host Chris Wallace that his detractors understand the legislation before dismissing it.

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    Senate Democrats are still clueless on gun control

    In their push for broad legislation, liberals are making the perfect the enemy of the good

    By Jeb Golinkin | 9:40am EST
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    Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.V.) is still pushing for expanded background checks. That's not enough for some Democrats. Alex Wong/Getty Images

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    pparently, a group of senators is "quietly seeking a new path on gun control." Or at least, they werequietly doing so until The New York Times wrote about the once-covert effort. Now, of course, the efforts are less quiet.

    Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.V.) is reportedly back talking to Sen. Pat Toomey (R-Pa.) about how they might attract more support for a bill expanding the current background check system. The two senators, it seems, are focused on background checks and background checks alone, a move I think wise given the widespread view that such a measure is entirely appropriate.

    Unfortunately, the Times also detailed a push being lead by Senator Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.) to revise or expand penalties for firearms trafficking offenses. Now, federal prosecutors really do not need more tools to prosecute individuals they catch trafficking in illegal weapons, but of course, no United States senator has ever gone hungry by being "tough on crime." And yet... the mere fact that Gillibrand is pushing for more gun regulations at the same time Toomey and Manchin are trying to revive background checks shows that Senate Democrats learned little from their last gun-control fiasco. Furthermore, Gillibrand's stated reason for pursuing the new law might well be the poster child for the sort of reasoning that keeps gun rights enthusiasts paranoid and the NRA fully funded.

    Gillibrand's quote in the Times is simple, and its logic is straightforward. Asked why she we need stricter trafficking laws, the junior Senator from New York explained that "I think trafficking can be the base of the bill, the rock on which everything else stands. I also think it's complementary to background checks because, let's be honest, criminals aren't going to buy a gun and go through a background check. So if you really want to go after criminals, you have to have to do both.

    The most ardent gun rights advocates literally stay up at night worrying that each gun regulation they allow to pass could be the one that sets off the avalanche that turns this nation into some sort of gun-outlawing regulatory hell. This group of people is naturally suspicious of arguments for "common sense" gun control, not so much because they really think that their gun rights would be in any sense compromised by the recently defeated revisions to the existing background check regime, but rather because they do not think that the advocates for the aforementioned regime will be content to stop once background checks are in place.

    Many of these pro-gun individuals would be fine with background checks. But they fear, with some reason, that if they concede on background checks today, then the next time some madman gets a firearm and kills 30 people, the same proponents of background checks will be harnessing public outrage by turning the families of the victims into lobbyists for what they will undoubtedly label "common sense" reform that decent American couldn't possibly oppose. For that reason, the position of many gun rights advocates is that they prefer to defend their right to "keep and bear arms" from the Rhine so they will never be forced to do so from the Rubicon.

    Even crazy-sounding theories occasionally appear to have at least a tiny basis in reality. Indeed, from time to time, gun regulation proponents appear to push for stricter gun laws irrespective of whether or not particular proposals actually make anyone safer. The fact that President Obama allowed Sen. Feinstein to push him into calling for a renewal of the Assault Weapons Ban — despite the fact that virtually every non-partisan group that has studied the AWB found that it had virtually no impact on violent crime rates — suggests that at least a few powerful people are more interested in restricting gun rights than they are with actually curbing violent crime. Indeed, the president dramatically weakened the chances of getting background checks approved by attaching it to a push for the AWB, thereby allowing group like the NRA to, I think unfairly, imply that the president's motive for pushing reform was more anti-gun than anti-violence.
    Which brings us back to Sen. Gillibrand and the renewed push for reform.

    Consider the New Yorker's stated logic for pursuing tighter gun trafficking laws: Criminals will not buy guns through a complete background check regime, so if we manage to pass that, we also need to pass a another criminal statute relating to the possession, movement, and distribution of firearms. Here's what every gun person wonders when they read Gillibrand's statement: "Wait, I thought the whole point of background checks is to keep guns away from criminals… Is she saying that if it works, then we need another law?"

    I want background checks to pass, but I hold out little hope that they will. And if they have any chance at all, it will be as a standalone measure not packaged with any other proposals. Senate Democrats need to wake up and stop making the perfect the enemy of the good.

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    Senators Quietly Seeking New Path on Gun Control

    By JEREMY W. PETERS
    Published: April 25, 2013 391 Comments

    WASHINGTON — Talks to revive gun control legislation are quietly under way on Capitol Hill as a bipartisan group of senators seeks a way to bridge the differences that led to last week’s collapse of the most serious effort to overhaul the country’s gun laws in 20 years.



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    Senator Kirsten E. Gillibrand, Democrat of New York, is in talks with two Republican senators on an anti-trafficking bill.

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    Drawing on the lessons from battles in the 1980s and ’90s over the Brady Bill, which failed in Congress several times before ultimately passing, gun control supporters believe they can prevail by working on a two-pronged strategy. First, they are identifying senators who might be willing to change their votes and support a background check system with fewer loopholes.

    Second, they are looking to build a national campaign that would better harness overwhelming public support for universal background checks — which many national polls put at near 90 percent approval — to pressure lawmakers.

    Senators Joe Manchin III, Democrat of West Virginia, and Patrick J. Toomey, Republican of Pennsylvania, have been talking in recent days about how they could persuade more senators to support their bill to expand background checks for gun buyers, which drew backing from only four Republicans last week.

    “We’re going to work it hard,” Mr. Manchin said Thursday, adding that he was looking at tweaking the language of his bill in a way that he believed would satisfy senators who, for example, felt that background checks on person-to-person gun sales would be too onerous for people who live in rural areas far from a sporting goods store.

    Those concerns were an issue for Alaska’s senators, Lisa Murkowski, a Republican, and Mark Begich, a Democrat.

    Meanwhile, a separate gun measure, an anti-trafficking bill, is the subject of talks between Senator Kirsten E. Gillibrand, Democrat of New York, and two Republican senators who voted no on the background check bill. The Republicans, Senators Kelly Ayotte of New Hampshire and Charles E. Grassley of Iowa, are discussing ways they might support the bill, which would criminalize the shipping or transfer of guns to someone who is barred from possessing a firearm.

    While the bill on its own falls short of what the families of victims of mass shootings have been pushing Congress to enact — and is therefore less controversial — some Democrats believe it could be a good starting point to build a broader bipartisan compromise.

    “I think trafficking can be the base of the bill, the rock on which everything else stands,” Ms. Gillibrand said. “I also think it’s complementary to background checks because, let’s be honest, criminals aren’t going to buy a gun and go through a background check. So if you really want to go after criminals, you have to have to do both.”

    Ms. Ayotte said Thursday that she would continue talking with Ms. Gillibrand and was confident that some areas of agreement, on areas like expanding mental health care, could be reached.

    “There’s a lot we have agreement on in terms of enforcing our current system,” she said. “And so I certainly think we should look for the common elements, including the mental health piece, which I support as well, and try to move as much of that as possible forward.”

    Ms. Ayotte — the only one out of 22 senators on the East Coast north of Virginia who voted against strengthening background checks — has been the target lately of some of the most furious lobbying by gun control proponents, who have inundated local newspapers with letters to the editor denouncing her vote, run radio ads saying she “ignored the will of the people” and swamped her office with phone calls. On Thursday, two receptionists placed one call after another on hold as they politely listened to callers vent and replied, “Thank you for your message.”

    Next week when Congress is in recess, gun control groups coordinating with the Obama committee Organizing for Action will be fanning out across the country in dozens of demonstrations at the offices of senators who voted down the background check bill.

    As talks moved ahead on Capitol Hill, the White House was pressing on with its own efforts. Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. summoned a group of gun control proponents to his office on Thursday — including representatives from Michael R. Bloomberg’s Mayors Against Illegal Guns, Gabrielle Giffords’s Americans for Responsible Solutions and the Brady Campaign to End Gun Violence — and reassured them that the issue had become his highest priority.

    The vice president recalled the long struggle to enact the Brady Bill, which established a five-day waiting period to buy a gun. And he told them gun control would become his new campaign to end the Iraq war, according to two participants in the meeting, comparing it to the issue he devoted much of his energy to during President Obama’s first term. The pressure campaign is evidently already starting to take its toll, the vice president added, because several senators have confided to him that they are feeling the backlash from constituents.

    Those senators, he added, told him that they needed to be assured there was adequate support for expanded gun control to pass because they did not want to take such a great political risk on something that was doomed to fail. And some of them are already beginning to ask about what tweaks gun control proponents might entertain that could make the bills more palatable, the vice president said.

    “It’s not a question of really changing their minds for or against this policy,” one of the meeting’s participants said. “It’s demonstrating that it’s safe to do the right thing and politically unsafe not to.”


    A version of this article appeared in print on April 26, 2013, on page A12 of the New York edition with the headline: Senators Quietly Seeking New Path on Gun Control.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/26/us...rol.html?_r=3&

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    Obama Press Secretary Jay Carney Says Round 2 On Gun Control Is Coming And It WILL Pass

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    After the defeat of Obama's gun control, background check fiasco bill based on bogus statistics and scare tactics, the ever snooty White House Press Secretary Jay Carney doubled down on President Obama's stance on gun control, saying that a gun control bill will pass, it is only a matter of time.

    Carney once again brought up the flawed 90% of Americans support this statistic even as a newUSA Today poll shows waning support for gun control. Carney also vilified Republicans, something he does on a nearly daily basis despite the President repeatedly emphasizing he wants to dialogue with them, saying 90% of Republican senators voted with 10% of the American people. What Obama refuses to admit is that if only 10% of the American people were against his gun grabbing measures, then they would almost automatically pass, but the fact is, the millions earned by gun manufacturers that he also rails against comes from the average American citizens buying guns, the very people who called their Senators and told them not to vote for Obama BS gun bill.

    Even if the 90% statistic were true, we are not a nation that makes laws based on poll numbers. We are a republic which is not governed by mob rule. All Senators and Congressmen take an oath to uphold the Constitution and the Senators that voted against Obama's attempted start of a gun grab did just that. It does not matter if 60% of the people in the United States wanted to ban all guns, the Constitution is the supreme law of the and and it says we have the right to bear arms. Period.

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    Democrat gun grabber will take another run at it

    By Associated Press April 29, 2013 6:55 am

    WASHINGTON - One of the architects of failed gun control legislation says he's bringing it back.

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    Sen. Joe Manchin on Sunday said he would re-introduce a measure that would require criminal and mental health background checks for gun buyers at shows and online. The West Virginia Democrat says that if lawmakers read the bill, they will support it.

    Manchin sponsored a previous version of the measure with Republican Sen. Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania. It failed.

    Manchin says there was confusion over what was in the bill.

    In the wake of last year's school shooting in Newtown, Conn., Congress took up gun control legislation, but it was blocked by supporters of the powerful pro-gun lobby, the National Rifle Association.

    Manchin appeared on "Fox News Sunday."
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    Gun bill to be reintroduced, US lawmaker says

    WASHINGTON: One of the architects of failed gun control legislation says he's bringing it back.

    Senator Joe Manchin said he would re-introduce a measure that would require criminal and mental health background checks for gun buyers at shows and online. The Democrat says that if lawmakers read the bill, they will support it.

    Manchin sponsored a previous version of the measure with Republican Senator Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania. It failed. Manchin says there was confusion over what was in the Bill.

    Congress took up gun control legislation in the wake of the school shooting that killed 20 children and six adults in Connecticut last year.

    But it was blocked by supporters of the powerful pro-gun lobby, the National Rifle Association. Manchin appeared on "Fox News Sunday."

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    Watch Out, Gun Owners: Congress Isn’t Done

    April 30, 2013 by Ben Bullard

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    Just because Federal gun control failed in the Senate earlier this month doesn’t mean it won’t come up again in the 113th Congress.

    Senator Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.), one half of the bipartisan Manchin-Toomey duo responsible for a piece of “compromise” gun control legislation that went down in flamesApril 17, is already making the media rounds with a second gun grab attempt on his mind.

    Manchin said on “Fox News Sunday” that he intends to offer another, simpler version of the bill to the Senate — one that he plans to float before opponents with the aim of building the consensus he wasn’t able to find earlier this month.

    Senator Pat Toomey (R-Pa.), who co-sponsored the dead bill with Manchin, publicly washed his hands of any further efforts at gun control last week, telling reporters: “The Senate had its vote. We’ve seen the outcome of that vote. I am not aware of any reason to believe that, if we had the vote again, that we’d have a different outcome.”

    But Sunday, Manchin said Toomey is willing to give the gun grab another go — after the bill has undergone a cleanup that evidently is supposed to make it easier to understand for those Senate opponents who voted against it the first time.

    If the bill runs clean, and people can vote on this bill, up or down, based on the merits of this bill — how it protects a gun, a 2nd-Amendment gun person; a law abiding gun, gun owner — it’s perfect for that person. If you’re going to a gun show you’re gonna expect to have a background check. If you’re buying online, whether it’s an out-of-state gun, or in-state — a background check. No intervening at all with family transfers or individual rights whatsoever.

    From that bit of clarity, plus other comments Manchin made, it appears Gun Grab II will involve universal background checks, cross-referencing with medical records to ensure no one with a mental illness (the bill would presumably delineate which types) buys a gun, and another attempt to close the fallacious “gun show loophole.”

    Manchin didn’t provide a clear timeline for when another gun bill might come to the floor, but this Congress has until the end of 2014 to play with the 2nd Amendment.

    Filed Under: 2nd Amendment Under Fire, Conservative Politics, Liberty News, Staff Reports


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