Results 1 to 6 of 6

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

  1. #1
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Posts
    2,370

    United States or United states of America...

    This is a must read for anyone that is confused about what is happening today with the Constitution and our country.... If you do not know about the Act of 1871 this is a good place to start... http://www.supremelaw.org/letters/us-v-usa.htm

    Dear Friends,

    For an entity to become a corporation under federal law,
    there must be an Act of Congress creating that corporation.

    There are no Acts of Congress expressly incorporating
    either the "United States" or the "United States of America".

    In 1871 Congress did expressly incorporate the District
    of Columbia, but D.C. and the "United States" are not
    one and the same. In that Act of 1871, Congress also
    expressly extended the U.S. Constitution into D.C.:

    http://www.supremelaw.org/cc/gilberts/i ... d.htm#1871

    In United States v. Cooper Corporation, 312 U.S. 600 (1941),
    the Supreme Court wrote:

    http://laws.findlaw.com/us/312/600.html

    "We may say in passing that the argument that the
    United States may be treated as a corporation
    organized under its own laws, that is, under the
    Constitution as not to merit serious consideration ."


    Some of the confusion rampant on this subject may have
    originated in the definition of "UNITED STATES OF
    AMERICA" in Bouvier's Law Dictionary here:
    http://www.supremelaw.org/ref/dict/bldu1.htm#union

    See Paragraph 5 quoted here:

    "5. The United States of America are a corporation
    endowed with the capacity to sue and be sued, to convey
    and receive property. 1 Marsh. Dec. 177, 181.
    But it is proper to observe that no suit can be brought
    against the United States without authority of law."

    Note that the plural verb "are" was used, providing further
    evidence that the "United States of America" are plural,
    as implied by the plural term "States". Also, the author
    of sentence. This only adds to the confusion, because the
    term "United States" has three (3) different legal meanings:

    http://www.supremelaw.org/decs/hooven/h ... ted.states

    However, the decision cited above is Justice Marshall issuing dictum,
    and it is NOT an Act of Congress. Here, again,
    be very wary of courts attempting to "legislate" in the absence
    of a proper Act of Congress. See 1 U.S.C. 101 for the
    statute defining the required enacting clause:

    http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/1/101.html

    And, pay attention to what was said in that definition here:
    "to suit can be brought against the United States
    without authority of law". That statement is not only
    correct; it also provides another important clue:
    Congress has conferred legal standing on the "United States"
    to sue and be sued at 28 U.S.C. 1345 and 1346, respectively:

    http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/28/1345.html
    http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/28/1346.html

    Congress has NOT conferred comparable legal standing
    upon the "United States of America" to sue, or be sued,
    as such.

    Furthermore, under the Articles of Confederation, the term
    "United States of America" is the "stile" or phrase that was used
    to describe the Union formed legally by those Articles:

    Articles of Confederation and perpetual Union between the States
    of New Hampshire, Massachusetts bay, Rhode Island and Providence
    Plantations, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania,
    Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina and
    Georgia.


    Article I. The Stile of this Confederacy shall be
    "The United States of America."

    Article II. Each state retains its sovereignty, freedom,
    and independence, and every power, jurisdiction, and right,
    which is not by this Confederation expressly delegated
    to the United States, in Congress assembled.â€

  2. #2
    Senior Member Hylander_1314's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Grant Township Mi
    Posts
    3,473
    This will take me some time to get through. But it is interesting.

  3. #3
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Posts
    2,370
    It's so darn hard to take the time to study this stuff. Law is like the Tax code to learn. It is not a fun thing to attempt. But even a brief view of this stuff for about 30 min. will open your eyes. It is really nasty what has happened. It was and is all done covert. There was no band playing or speeches when these laws were or are enacted. I am not the smartest guy in the world but I know that it will take a lot of people realizing that we have been horribly duped to figure out what to do.

    UNITED STATES is a Corporation - There are Two Constitutions
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVsMUpPgdT0

  4. #4
    Senior Member Hylander_1314's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Grant Township Mi
    Posts
    3,473
    Mainly because law now consists of caselaw which can be very boring. Reading the Founding Fathers study of law, and it was guided and argued over moral compass. With case law only being used as references to back the moral code.

    Now as you and I know HLC, moral compass counts for very little or nothing as the field has become cold and icy with nothing but case law only.

    Another thing the Founders warned of.

  5. #5
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Posts
    2,370
    Quote Originally Posted by Hylander_1314
    Mainly because law now consists of caselaw which can be very boring. Reading the Founding Fathers study of law, and it was guided and argued over moral compass. With case law only being used as references to back the moral code.

    Now as you and I know HLC, moral compass counts for very little or nothing as the field has become cold and icy with nothing but case law only.

    Another thing the Founders warned of.
    As I told you...the judge educated me on that point. Right wrong and legal...and NEVER bring right and wrong into his court again! I guess it was and is a part of the separation of church and state. But I never considered morality to be a church like condition. It is simply humanity...a very different interpritation...well...in my world.

    This is a very sad Easter for me... That G20 article killed me off I think.

  6. #6
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Posts
    2,370
    sorry this string seems to be egnored now...it was a lot of really great info... Well...I found one good friend with it...maybe I will find another if I push it back up again...

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •