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    The Witch Hunt Against Gun Owners

    Just another example of why I don't subscribe to the Roanoke rag. Christian Trejbal is about leftest as they come. He has been stirring thing up for quite awhile not just on guns. Must be the only way the paper keeps it's subscriptions.


    By Michelle Malkin

    "The Second Amendment," Charlton Heston used to say, "is America's first freedom." The Second secures the rest.

    It's a message narcissistic journalists need to hear again. A decade ago, Heston chastised the media in a National Press Club speech for its collective ignorance, apathy and open hostility toward gun owners' rights: "Clearly, too many have used freedom of the press as a weapon not only to strangle our free speech, but to erode and ultimately destroy the right to keep and bear arms as well. In doing so you promoted your profession to that of constitutional judge and jury, more powerful even than our Supreme Court, more prejudiced than the Inquisition's tribunals. It is a frightening misuse of constitutional privilege, and I pray that you will come to your senses and see that these abuses are curbed."

    Alas, Heston's prayers have yet to be answered. While courts have recently bolstered Second Amendment rights, endangering gun owners in the name of free speech continues to be the blood sport of the Fourth Estate.

    Two weeks ago, the Roanoke (Va.) Times published an online database of registered concealed handgun permit holders in the paper's community under the sanctimonious guise of "Sunshine Week." The database included both the names and street addresses of some 135,000 Virginians with permits to carry concealed weapons. Columnist Christian Trejbal patted himself on the back for making it easy to snoop on the neighbors: "I can hear the shocked indignation of gun-toters already: It's nobody's business but mine if I want to pack heat. Au contraire. Because the government handles the permitting, it is everyone's business."[ Shedding light on concealed handguns, March 11, 2007]

    Trejbal denied that compiling the concealed carry permit holders list was "about being for or against guns." But he exposed his true agenda when he compared law-abiding gun owners to . . . sex offenders: "A state that eagerly puts sex offender data online complete with an interactive map could easily do the same with gun permits, but it does not."

    The Roanoke Times showed reckless disregard for the safety of the license holders and reckless disregard for accuracy. In his column, Trejbal admitted that he knew some of the information he had obtained was inaccurate—but published it anyway: "As a Sunshine Week gift, The Roanoke Times has placed the entire database, mistakes and all [emphasis added], online at www.roanoke.com/gunpermits. You can search to find out if neighbors, carpool partners, elected officials or anyone else has permission to carry a gun."

    After an uproar among gun-owners, including domestic violence victims licensed to carry, the Times finally decided to yank the database. Trejbal seems not to feel much remorse: "Did we make it easier [to obtain the information]? Yes. But it's still a public record." Let's review: He published a list he knew contained inaccuracies. His paper admits the decision endangered gun owners. He compiled a convenient shopping list for criminals—and smacked law-abiding gun owners in the face with his comparison of their choice to exercise their rights with sex offenders.

    Public disclosure of concealed carry licenses varies from state to state. Eighteen states protect permit holders' privacy from public view. Virginia is one of 17 states that make licensee records public. If information is public, does it make it right for a newspaper to publish it? The media exercise discretion all the time in withholding the names of minors or rape victims. Why should the privacy of law-abiding concealed handgun permit holders be treated with any less concern?

    While the Roanoake Times has retreated, the witch hunt against gun owners continues. In New York City, Mayor Michael Bloomberg launched a "sting" operation targeting gun shops in five states for allegedly selling guns illegally. Alan Gottlieb and Dave Workman of the Second Amendment Foundation report that Bloomberg sent unauthorized private investigators to conduct the operation—without notifying the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF):

    "The odor ripened when Bloomberg filed civil lawsuits against these gun shops, rather than turn over evidence to the proper authorities for criminal prosecution. Bloomberg's office refused to turn over that evidence, and instead the billionaire mayor launched a high-profile media campaign demonizing the targeted gun shop operators."[ Bloom is off Bloomberg’s Vigilante Gun Shop Sting, March 18, 2007]

    Bloomberg has, of course, earned the praise of the anti-Second Amendment media for his security-undermining stunt. The unholy alliance between Big Nanny politicians and journalists threatens us all.

    Michelle Malkin [email her] is author of Invasion: How America Still Welcomes Terrorists, Criminals, and Other Foreign Menaces to Our Shores. Click here for Peter Brimelow’s review. Click here for Michelle Malkin's website. Michelle Malkin's latest book is "Unhinged: Exposing Liberals Gone Wild."

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    2nd Amendment is under attack from every direction now!
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    Without the 2nd, we will have nothing.
    Amen to that!
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    I'll go one better. In my opinion, having spent considerable time studying the writings of the FFs and understanding the clear intent behind Amendment II, I think that even the original 1934 National Firearms Act would have been repugnant to their sensibilities. The idea that the government could reserve to itself and its agents one category of firearms while relegating the populace to the limitations of a militarily inferior class of firearms would have been wholly unacceptable to men who fought a war that was triggered by the government's seizure of local armories containing military-style muskets. The great object that every man be armed (to paraphrase Patrick Henry) was not for the purpose of hunting or recreation, or even home defense against criminals, but rather so that the government's forces would never have the populace that the government was meant to serve at a disadvantage.

    Would-be tyrants and totalitarians want to relegate the public to pea-shooters and hand-loaders as much as possible, while they retain to their own forces the immense firepower and accuracy of the latest cutting-edge weaponry. For now, they know that there would be too much political backlash from an outright attempt to totally disarm the public, so they instead use incrementalism. Lawmakers attempt to perpetually narrow the scope of available weapons for civilians even as technological advancements and the paramilitarization of police forces make ever more accurate and deadly systems available to federal stormtroopers. Beyond that, if the day ever comes that the public is placed at odds with an out-of-control government, it won't be our own neighbors coming at us in flak jackets and helmets with automatic weapons blazing. Our attackers will most likely be foreign troops on loan from the UN or some other multinational force who have no emotional ties to the Americans or our rights that they trample into the dust, and they will be armed to the teeth with advanced weapons systems against which we have little chance. And while past conflicts offered the possibility of capturing military weapons from the enemy, the level of training necessary to operate many advanced systems would render this tactic of little use.

    My point is that beyond fighting tooth and nail just to keep the gun-ownership rights that we still cling to, we should be attempting to reclaim those rights infringed by that bastard FDR under his socialist rule.

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    crocket you raise very valid points. I don't disagree. The intent as you say has always been very clear to me and how it was always taught to me. It has absolutely nothing to do with hunting but protection from tyrants.

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    As I'm certain you guys have already heard, but according to Giulianni there is a well know judge {forgot his name} who's now researching 'deeply' the actual INTENT OF THE FRAMERS concerning the 2nd.

    More importantly, the "research" is leaning {surprise?} towards a MILITIA
    and NOT the citizens.

    It sounds, from what I've heard, as though they're expecting to push this judge's conclusion in order to DISARM/ALTER the Constitution.

    May I add that, imo, this little action has been carefully calculated to come into light at this time when the NAU formation is at it's critical mass.

    I'm more than pissed and I'm on record as saying, "WATCH IT FOLKS....THEY'RE GUNNING FOR YOU! This little plan is only in it's infantcy and about to grow into something large!! Giulianni is pushing it hard, very hard!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2ndamendsis
    As I'm certain you guys have already heard, but according to Giulianni there is a well know judge {forgot his name} who's now researching 'deeply' the actual INTENT OF THE FRAMERS concerning the 2nd.

    More importantly, the "research" is leaning {surprise?} towards a MILITIA
    and NOT the citizens.

    It sounds, from what I've heard, as though they're expecting to push this judge's conclusion in order to DISARM/ALTER the Constitution.

    May I add that, imo, this little action has been carefully calculated to come into light at this time when the NAU formation is at it's critical mass.

    I'm more than pissed and I'm on record as saying, "WATCH IT FOLKS....THEY'RE GUNNING FOR YOU! This little plan is only in it's infantcy and about to grow into something large!! Giulianni is pushing it hard, very hard!"
    Hmmm... A judge carries a gavel. An NRA member doesn't carry a gavel.

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    The EU got away in formed by taking peoples guns, they will come for ours.
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    When they come to take mine they'll find them warm and empty!


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    A good book to have is the second amendment primer by Les Adams.
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