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    Russia’s First Strikes in Syria Hit U.S. Ally, Not Islamic State

    Russian airstrikes in Syria 'OK' with Trump

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    U.S. warns Russia against striking non-Islamic State groups in Syria


    The Russian Defense Ministry released video showing what it says are the country's first airstrikes against targets in Syria on Sept. 30, 2015.


    Tribune wire reports Contact Reporter


    Defense Secretary Ash Carter said Wednesday that the Russian airstrikes in Syria appear to have targeted areas that do not include Islamic State fighters, a development which Secretary of State John Kerry said would cause "grave concern" for the United States.

    Kerry told the United Nations Security Council that the U.S. would not object to Russians hitting Islamic State or al-Qaida targets, but airstrikes just to strengthen the hand of Syrian President Bashar Assad would be worrisome. Later, after meeting with Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov, Kerry said he had spoken about U.S. "concerns about the nature of the targets, the type of targets and the need for clarity with respect for them.


    "It is one thing obviously to be targeting ISIL. We are concerned obviously if that is not what is happening," Kerry said.


    "It does appear they were in in areas where there probably were not ISIL forces," Carter said of the Russian airstrikes, using an alternative acronym for Islamic State. "The result of this kind of action will inevitably simply be to inflame the civil war in Syria."


    Carter said he couldn't confirm reports that the Russian strikes may have hit civilians, but said, "if it occurred, it's yet another reason why this kind of Russian action can and will backfire very badly on Russia."

    Carter's comments triggered a dismissive response from Lavrov, who told reporters flatly, "Don't listen to the Pentagon about the Russian strikes" and referred them to the Russian defense ministry website.


    The top national security officials spoke as Russia launched its first airstrikes in Syria targeting what it said were Islamic State positions. On Wednesday, some U.S.-backed rebel groups claimed they were hit by Russian airstrikes but those claims could not be confirmed.


    Russia says Islamic State not only airstrike target in Syria

    A key unanswered question, however, is what the U.S. will do if the Russian airstrikes target moderate Syrian rebel groups working with the coalition in the fight against the Islamic State. Asked directly if the coalition would protect the U.S.-trained or aligned groups, Carter did not answer.

    Instead, Carter said the strikes highlight a contradiction in Russia's approach. He said the Russians should not be supporting the Assad government, and their military moves are "doomed to fail."


    Carter also expressed disappointment that the Russians did not use formal channels to provide the U.S. with advance notice of its airstrikes, but instead sent an official to the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad for what he characterized as an unprofessional "drop-in."


    Kerry said military-to-military discussions to avoid any accidental conflicts could begin as early as Thursday.


    "By supporting Assad and seemingly taking on everyone who is fighting Assad, you're taking on the whole rest of the country of Syria," Carter said. "That is not our position. At least some parts of the anti-Assad opposition belong in the political transition going forward. That's why the Russian approach is doomed to fail."


    The Obama administration expressed concern over Russian airstrikes in Syria on Sept. 30, 2015, saying Russia is making a "losing bet" in "propping up" President Bashar Assad. (AP)



    He added that more formal talks with the Russians should get under way "within days." A U.S. official said the meeting would involve a U.S. military officer and a senior Defense Department civilian, and could be either by secure video teleconference or in person. The details are still being worked out.

    White House spokesman Josh Earnest said the new action "calls into question their strategy, because when President Putin and President Obama had the opportunity to meet at the U.N. earlier this week much of their discussion was focused on the need for a political transition inside Syria."


    Kerry said Russian operations must not support Assad or interfere with those of the U.S.-led coalition that is already attacking Islamic State targets.


    "If Russia's recent actions and those now ongoing reflect a genuine commitment to defeat (the Islamic State) then we are prepared to welcome those efforts and to find a way to de-conflict our operations and thereby multiply military pressure on ISIL and affiliated groups," Kerry said. "But we must not and will not be confused in our fight against ISIL with support for Assad."


    "Moreover, we have also made clear that we would have grave concerns should Russia strike areas where ISIL and al-Qaida affiliated targets are not operating," he said. "Strikes of that kind would question Russia's real intentions fighting ISIL or protecting the Assad regime."


    Kerry also said the U.S.-led coalition would "dramatically accelerate" its efforts.


    Lavrov followed Kerry, saying Russia is ready to "forge standing channels of communication to ensure a maximally effective fight." He listed countries with a key role to play in resolving the chaos in Syria, including Iran, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Egypt, Jordan, Qatar, the U.S. and China.

    Kerry and Lavrov said they had traded ideas about how to move ahead with a political transition in Syria and would be considering them in the coming days.

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    Russia Carries Out Airstrikes in Syria for 2nd Day

    By ANNE BARNARD and ANDREW E. KRAMER OCT. 1, 2015



    A vehicle at a base controlled by rebel fighters from the Ahrar al-Sham insurgent group that activists said was targeted by Russian airstrikes near Idlib, Syria, on Thursday. CreditKhalil Ashawi/Reuters


    BEIRUT, Lebanon — In a second day of raids in Syria, Russian warplanes carried out a new round of airstrikes on Thursday that once again — contrary to Moscow’s assertions — appeared to be targeting not the Islamic State but a rival insurgent coalition.

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    sent more than 50 aircraft on about 30 sorties over Syria on Thursday, using drones and satellites to identify targets, said Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov, a Defense Ministry spokesman. They were able to deploy quickly, he said, because ammunition and other supplies had been stockpiled at the Tartus naval base on Syria’s Mediterranean coast, Russia’s only military site outside the former Soviet Union.


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    Russia’s entry into the Syrian conflict, which started on Wednesday with a bombing attack on Syrian opposition fighters, has been angrily condemned by United States officials. They fear that President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia is using their shared goal of defeating the Islamic State as a pretext for weakening other opponents of Syria’s embattled president, Bashar al-Assad. Mr. Putin says that Mr. Assad is a bulwark against the Islamic State, also known as ISIS or ISIL; President Obama says that Mr. Assad must go, though perhaps in a “managed transition” to a new government.

    The Russian Ministry of Defense released several videos on Wednesday and Thursday that they say show air strikes by Russian military jets hitting targets inside Syria.

    By RUSSIAN MINISTRY OF DEFENSE on Publish DateOctober 1, 2015.
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    The new round of strikes on Thursday — conducted with two models of Soviet-era warplanes, the Su-25 Frogfoot and Su-24 Fencer — was said by Mayadeen, a pro-Damascus news channel, to target the Army of Conquest, a coalition of insurgent groups that includes the Al Qaeda-affiliated Nusra Front, the hard-line Islamist group Ahrar al-Sham and a range of less extreme Islamist groups — all of which are opposed to the Islamic State.

    Russian officials nonetheless insisted that they had hit four “objects of the Islamic State” in the provinces of Idlib, Hama and Homs. The Islamic State is most active in areas significantly to the east of those regions. Russia, like Mr. Assad, has tended to make little distinction among the many insurgent groups in Syria’s four-year-old civil war.


    The Russian airstrikes, a major new twist in the war, come after a series of setbacks that had put Mr. Assad in his shakiest position in years.


    Government forces lost ground in recent months not only to the Islamic State in the east and center of the country, but also to the Army of Conquest in the northwest, where its advances have posed the war’s sharpest threat to the coastal provinces that are Mr. Assad’s base.


    By striking at the group, Russia is unlikely to be able to give Mr. Assad full control over the country, but could help him buy time, extending the deadly standoff — and prompting United States allies, like Saudi Arabia and Turkey, to pour more matériel into the conflict.


    Often fighting alongside the Army of Conquest are relatively secular groups from what is left of the loose-knit Free Syrian Army, including some that have received United States training and advanced American-made antitank missiles. At least one C.I.A.-trained group was among the targets hit on Wednesday, which drew an angry response from Washington.


    This year, the Army of Conquest dealt Syrian forces a serious setback by seizing the city of Idlib, and later the entire province, advances that posed the war’s sharpest threat to the coastal areas where support for Mr. Assad is strongest. Russia has a naval station on the coast and has concentrated much of its recent military buildup there, so Thursday’s strike could be seen as a force-protection measure, taking out the insurgents closest to Russian installations before moving on to other operations.


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    Mapping the Battle for Syria: Russian Airstrikes Hit Rebel Areas

    Maps show that most of the areas hit by the airstrikes are controlled by rebel groups and that they are not in Islamic State territory.

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    There have also been reports from insurgents on the ground that extremist groups of Russian-speaking fighters have moved into the mountains straddling Idlib and Latakia, including Jaish al-Muhajireen Wal Ansar, or the Army of Emigrants and Supporters, which includes many Chechens. Russia has fought two wars with its semiautonomous republic Chechnya, and many Chechens and other Russian Muslims from the Caucasus Mountains and Central Asia have joined the Islamic State or other groups in Syria. Russia’s concern about the more than 2,000 Russian citizens who have fought in Syria — and who might later carry out attacks back home — is another reason for its intervention.

    But the choice of target underlined a fundamental dispute between the United States, its allies, and Syrian opponents of Mr. Assad on one hand, and Mr. Assad and Russia on the other.


    The Russian state news agency RIA reported on Thursday that airstrikes by the Syrian military, which is working with the Russian Air Force, had killed 107 militants, including three commanders of the Nusra Front, Al Qaeda’s affiliate in Syria, near Homs.


    But Konstantin Kosachev, the chairman of the foreign affairs committee of the Russian Senate, denied the charge that Russia was overlooking Islamic State targets and instead attacking other opponents of Mr. Assad’s. “There is no evidence able to prove these groundless claims that are being spread today,” he said.


    Mr. Assad, and now Russia, make little distinction among Islamist insurgent groups, and their supporters suggest that any such distinctions are meaningless hairsplitting. United States policy appears to reflect an acknowledgment that the Nusra Front and its allies — while many of them are unpalatable — often clash with the Islamic State and have differing goals and tactics.


    Syria’s ambassador to Russia, Riad Haddad, held a news conference on Thursday in which he gave full-throttled support to everything the Russian military was doing.


    The attacks were all carried out in coordination with the Syrian military, he said, adding that it did not matter who was being attacked because all of the groups fighting the government were “terrorists” who subscribed to the same goals as the Islamic State.



    President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia before his meeting with members of the Presidential Council for Civil Society and Human Rights in Moscow on Thursday. CreditPool photo by Yuri Kochetkov

    “We in Syria encounter various armed terrorist groups, and regardless of what they are called,” Mr. Haddad said, citing the Nusra Front, the Islamic State and the Free Syrian Army as examples, “they all pursue the same terrorist goals.”



    He referred to the airstrikes near the cities of Homs and Hama as the fruit of Syrian information combined with Russian firepower.

    “There are precise position data for the places where the terrorist groups are,” Mr. Haddad said. “This is why the airstrikes are carried out only against the positions of the Islamic State in some cities or outskirts, like, for example, of Homs and Hama.”


    Mr. Haddad said the Russian attacks would likely be more effective than what he called the illegal strikes carried out by American and other Western forces in the past year.


    “We have not seen any results on the ground,” the ambassador said. “Actually, just the opposite: The Islamic State expanded.”

    He added, “We can say that we have begun to hit the terrorists in an organized manner.”

    The Syrian uprising began in 2011 with peaceful protests and turned violent in response to repression by the government. But relatively secular groups led by army defectors have been eclipsed by better-financed, better-organized Islamist groups.


    In the United States, Secretary of State John Kerry and Defense Secretary Ashton B. Carter have denounced Russia’s first round of airstrikes, pointing out that even as Russian pilots did not hit known strongholds of the group. Instead, they targeted areas held by other insurgents, including some American-trained ones, in strikes that killed 40 people, including some civilians.


    But the Army of Conquest itself embodies the ambivalence of American policy. The United States considers the Nusra Front a terrorist organization, but other groups, including some that have received American funding, fight alongside Nusra, saying that they have no choice if they want to unseat Mr. Assad.


    The United States has been reluctant to increase support to those groups because some weapons have ended up in the hands of the Nusra Front, and Washington does not want to see the militant group take over Syria any more than it wants the Islamic State to take power.

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    Iranian troops prepare to aid Russia with Syrian ground assault, officials say

    Published October 01, 2015 FoxNews.com




    More Iranian troops have arrived in Syria for an upcoming ground operation to accompany Russian airstrikes, defense officials confirm to Fox News.

    “It has always been understood in this building that the Russians would provide the air force, and the Iranians would provide the ground force in Syria,” one official said.


    Another official tells Fox News, “The Iranians have always been on the ground [in Syria].” The officials could not disclose the size of this new Iranian force due to the sensitivity of the information.


    These Iranian forces are under the command of Maj. Gen. Qasem Soleimani, the Quds Force commander in charge of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard’s international operations, which runs a network of proxy forces throughout the Middle East, including Syria, Iraq, Yemen, and Lebanon.


    Fox News first reported a secret meeting between Soleimani and Russian President Vladimir Putin, which took place in late July. Part of the discussions between Soleimani and Putin was the future Russian build up in Syria, coordinated closely with Iran.


    In addition, sources tell Reuters that Lebanese Hezbollah forces will soon arrive to aid in the ground operation. Hezbollah, a Russian and Iranian ally, has fought alongside President Bashar al-Assad's forces since early in the Syrian civil war.


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    The goal of the operation would be to recapture territory the Syrian government lost to rebels, not specifically to target ISIS, those sources tell Reuters.

    Meantime, Russia’s foreign minister maintains Moscow and the US coalition “see eye-to-eye” on the targets in Syria.


    “We have the same approach,” Sergey Lavrov said Thursday. “We fight terrorists. The [US-led coalition] announced ISIS as the enemy, and the coalition does the same as Russia.”


    Human rights groups say Russian airstrikes in Syria targeted US-backed rebels on Thursday. The Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights claims the targets of Russian airstrikes included US-backed group Tajamu Alezzah.


    There have also been reports Russian airstrikes killed civilians, but President Vladimir Putin has denied the accusations, calling them "information attacks."


    Russian Defense Ministry Igor Konashenkov acknowledged in televised comments that unidentified groups were being targeted in addition to ISIS, but said Thursday’s airstrikes damaged or destroyed 12 ISIS targets, including a command center.


    The head of the Syrian National Council, an anti-Assad group, said at the United Nations that at least 36 people had been killed by airstrikes in the western city of Homs, including five children, since Wednesday. Khaled Khoja, the SNC's leader, said none of the four areas targeted by Russian planes Wednesday contained ISIS fighters.


    Putin also said he expects Assad to talk with the Syrian opposition about a political settlement, but added he was referring to what he described as a "healthy" opposition group.


    Putin and other officials have said Russia was providing weapons and training to Assad's army to help it combat ISIS. Russian Navy transport vessels have been shuttling back and forth for weeks to ferry troops, weapons and supplies to an air base near the coastal city of Latakia. IHS Jane's, a leading defense research group, said last week that satellite images of the base showed 28 jets, including Su-30 multirole fighters, Su-25 ground attack jets, Su-24 bombers and possibly Ka-52 helicopter gunships.

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/10...ikes-in-syria/

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinssdad View Post
    I repeat what I said a few days ago! Russia is very anti democracy. Russia should not be trusted as an ally. When they destroy weapons storage that we provided, obviously they mean to weaken and destroy our allies. C',MON MAN!
    We have no ally in Syria. Syria is and has been Russia's ally for many, many, many years. It's an historic and long term relationship because of their port at Tartus, Syria where the Russia Mediterraneous Naval Base is located.
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    Putin is the man. He's shutting down the rebellion (our "ally") that started this chaos using his airstrikes, he's bringing in Iran to provide troops on the ground to shut-down ISIS, Turkey is on aboard, so ISIS is well ... OVER with nowhere to run and nowhere to hide.

    These countries know how to shut down rebellions and terrorists and restore order.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    We have no ally in Syria. . .
    WRONG. The Syrian Rebels are U.S. allies.

    'Russia kills US-backed Syrian rebels in second day of air strikes as Iran prepares for ground offensive' - live updatesTelegraph.co.uk‎ - 3 hours ago

    Russian jets bomb rebel positions in Syria including rural areas near the north-western town ... by ground advance by the Syrian army and its allies," one of the sources said.


    Syria's Rebels
    , Regime Allies Gear Up for Fight 'No One Really Wanted'
    Voice of America‎ - 4 hours ago

    Russian Airstrike in Syria Targeted CIA-Backed Rebels, US Officials Say Wall Street Journal‎ - 1 day ago
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    We have no ally in Syria. . .
    "the coalition, which includes the United States, major European powers, Arab states and Turkey."


    Fri Oct 2, 2015 1:54pm EDT


    U.S., allies demand Russia halt Syria strikes outside IS areas

    BEIRUT/MOSCOW | BY TOM PERRY AND LIDIA KELLY

    Russia bombed Syria for a third day on Friday, mainly hitting areas held by rival insurgent groups rather than the Islamic State fighters it said it was targeting and drawing an increasingly angry response from the West.

    The U.S.-led coalition that is waging its own air war against Islamic State called on the Russians to halt strikes on targets other than Islamic State.


    "We call on the Russian Federation to immediately cease its attacks on the Syrian opposition and civilians and to focus its efforts on fighting ISIL," said the coalition, which includes the United States, major European powers, Arab states and Turkey.


    "We express our deep concern with regard to the Russian military build-up in Syria and especially ‎the attacks by the Russian Air Force on Hama, Homs and Idlib since yesterday which led to civilian casualties and did not target Daesh," it said.


    ISIL and Daesh are both acronyms for Islamic State, also known as ISIS, which has set up a caliphate across a swathe of eastern Syria and northern Iraq.


    In Syria, the group is one of many fighting against Russia's ally, President Bashar al-Assad. Washington and its Western and regional allies say Russia is using it as a pretext to bomb other groups that oppose Assad. Some of these groups have received training and weapons from Assad's foreign enemies, including the United States.


    President Vladimir Putin held frosty talks with France's Francois Hollande in Paris, Putin's first meeting with a Western leader since launching the strikes two days after he gave an address to the United Nations making the case to back Assad.


    PRAYERS CANCELED


    Friday prayers were canceled in insurgent-held areas of Homs province that were hit by Russian warplanes this week, with residents concerned that mosques could be targeted, said one person from the area.


    "The streets are almost completely empty and there is an unannounced curfew," said the resident, speaking from the town of Rastan which was hit in the first day of Russian air strikes.


    Warplanes were seen flying high above the area, which is held by anti-Assad rebels but has no significant presence of Islamic State fighters.


    Islamic State also canceled prayers in areas it controls, according to activists from its de facto capital Raqqa.


    A Russian air strike on Thursday destroyed a mosque in the town of Jisr al-Shughour, captured from government forces by an alliance of Islamist insurgents earlier this year, activists said.


    RELATED COVERAGE





    The United Nations said it been forced to suspend planned humanitarian operations in parts of Syria due to the fighting.
    Moscow said on Friday its latest strikes had hit 12 Islamic State targets, but most of the areas it described were in western and northern parts of the country, while Islamic State is mostly present in the east.

    The Russian Defense Ministry said its Sukhoi-34, Sukhoi-24M and Sukhoi-25 warplanes had flown 18 sorties hitting targets that included a command post and a communications center in the province of Aleppo, a militant field camp in Idlib and a command post in Hama.


    The UK-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, which monitors the conflict with a network of sources on the ground, said there was no Islamic State presence at any of those areas.


    Russia has however also struck Islamic State areas in a small number of other attacks further east. The Observatory said 12 Islamic State fighters were killed near Raqqa on Thursday, and planes believed to be Russian had also struck the Islamic State-held city of Qarytayn.


    Russia has said it is using its most advanced plane, the Sukhoi-34, near Raqqa, the area where it is most likely to encounter U.S. and coalition aircraft targeting Islamic State.


    The U.S.-led coalition said it conducted 28 air strikes on Islamic State targets in Syria and Iraq on Thursday.

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    Confusion over Russia air strikes on Syria

    FROSTY HANDSHAKES
    As Hollande hosted Putin in Paris, both men looked stern in the yard of the Elysee palace, exchanging terse handshakes for the cameras.

    An aide to Hollande said they "tried to narrow differences" over Syria during talks that lasted more than an hour.


    Hollande laid out France's conditions for supporting Russian intervention, which include a halt to strikes on groups other than Islamic State and al Qaeda, protections for civilians and a commitment to a political transition that would remove Assad.


    Putin's decision to launch strikes on Syria marks a dramatic escalation of foreign involvement in a 4-year-old civil war in which every major country in the region has a stake.


    Lebanese sources have told Reuters that hundreds of Iranian troops have also arrived in recent days in Syria to participate in a major ground offensive alongside government troops and their Lebanese and Iraqi Shi'ite militia allies.


    RELATED COVERAGE





    Syria's foreign minister said the U.S.-led coalition's campaign against Islamic State was bound to fail.

    "Air strikes are useless unless they are conducted in cooperation with the Syrian army, the only force in Syria that is combating terrorism," Walid al-Moualem said in a speech to United Nations General Assembly in New York.


    COMMON ENEMY, DIFFERENT FRIENDS

    Western countries and Russia say they have a common enemy in Islamic State. But they also have very different friends and opposing views of how to resolve a war that has killed at least 250,000 people and driven more than 10 million from their homes.

    Washington and its allies oppose both Islamic State and Assad, blaming him for attacks on civilians that have radicalized the opposition and insisting that he has no place in a post-war settlement.


    Russia says Assad's government should be the centerpiece of international efforts to fight militants.


    The campaign is the first time Moscow has sent forces into combat beyond the frontiers of the former Soviet Union since the disastrous Afghanistan campaign of the 1980s, a bold move by Putin to extend Russia's influence beyond its neighborhood.


    It comes at a low point in Russia's relations with the West, a year after the United States and EU imposed financial sanctions on Moscow for annexing territory from Ukraine.


    Assad and his father before him were Moscow's close allies in the Middle East since the Cold War, and Russia maintains its only Mediterranean naval base on the Syrian coast.


    Moscow's intervention comes at a time when insurgents had been scoring major battlefield gains against government forces after years of stalemate in the war.


    http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...0RW0W220151002
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnDoe2 View Post
    WRONG. The Syrian Rebels are U.S. allies.

    'Russia kills US-backed Syrian rebels in second day of air strikes as Iran prepares for ground offensive' - live updatesTelegraph.co.uk‎ - 3 hours ago

    Russian jets bomb rebel positions in Syria including rural areas near the north-western town ... by ground advance by the Syrian army and its allies," one of the sources said.


    Syria's Rebels
    , Regime Allies Gear Up for Fight 'No One Really Wanted'
    Voice of America‎ - 4 hours ago

    Russian Airstrike in Syria Targeted CIA-Backed Rebels, US Officials Say Wall Street Journal‎ - 1 day ago
    Syrian Rebels are criminals under Syrian law. Syrian Rebels are not a nation. Syrian Rebels are not a government. Syrian Rebels are .... nothing that matters in international law.
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    I guess this means fewer Syrians. Not sure what else. At least NATO gets to observe what Russia can actually do, although, to date, there are no dogfights.
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