Thread: Barack Obama's citizenship questioned

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Orly Taitz - another typical underachiever from Russia.

I'm now wondering why we have to learn how to live our free life from former Russian women like Orly Taitz and Ayn Rand. They both really saw events clearly.

Great to have Orly here in the former great USA!

May she live long and prosper greatly.

May we all do as well.

I cannot believe that life story!

What a great read and what determination for this lady.

WOW!!!

I am VERY impressed with her.

• 8 USC ¶ 12 § 1361. Burden of proof upon alien
  Whenever any person makes application for a visa or any other document required for entry, or makes application for admission, or otherwise attempts to enter the United States, the burden of proof shall be upon such person to establish that he is eligible to receive such visa or such document, or is not inadmissible under any provision of this chapter, and, if an alien, that he is entitled to the nonimmigrant, immigrant, special immigrant, immediate relative, or refugee status claimed, as the case may be. If such person fails to establish to the satisfaction of the consular officer that he is eligible to receive a visa or other document required for entry, no visa or other document required for entry shall be issued to such person, nor shall such person be admitted to the United States unless he establishes to the satisfaction of the Attorney General that he is not inadmissible under any provision of this chapter. In any removal proceeding under part IV of this subchapter against any person, the burden of proof shall be upon such person to show the time, place, and manner of his entry into the United States, but in presenting such proof he shall be entitled to the production of his visa or other entry document, if any, and of any other documents and records, not considered by the Attorney General to be confidential, pertaining to such entry in the custody of the Service. If such burden of proof is not sustained, such person shall be presumed to be in the United States in violation of law.
  
  8 USC ¶ 12 § 1429. Prerequisite to naturalization; burden of proof
  
  Except as otherwise provided in this subchapter, no person shall be naturalized unless he has been lawfully admitted to the United States for permanent residence in accordance with all applicable provisions of this chapter. The burden of proof shall be upon such person to show that he entered the United States lawfully, and the time, place, and manner of such entry into the United States, but in presenting such proof he shall be entitled to the production of his immigrant visa, if any, or of other entry document, if any, and of any other documents and records, not considered by the Attorney General to be confidential, pertaining to such entry, in the custody of the Service. Notwithstanding the provisions of section 405 (b),[1] and except as provided in sections 1439 and 1440 of this title no person shall be naturalized against whom there is outstanding a final finding of deportability pursuant to a warrant of arrest issued under the provisions of this chapter or any other Act; and no application for naturalization shall be considered by the Attorney General if there is pending against the applicant a removal proceeding pursuant to a warrant of arrest issued under the provisions of this chapter or any other Act: Provided, That the findings of the Attorney General in terminating removal proceedings or in canceling the removal of an alien pursuant to the provisions of this chapter, shall not be deemed binding in any way upon the Attorney General with respect to the question of whether such person has established his eligibility for naturalization as required by this subchapter.

Proceedings could possibly be brought that Mr. Obama is in the U.S. illegally after assuming his Indonesian citizenship and identity as Barry Soetoro in 1981 in order to travel to Pakistan on an Indonesian passport.

It would be up to him to prove that he is in the U.S. legitimately.

It would be up to the judge to subpoena his passport and citizenship documents.

Originally Posted by MinutemanCDC_SC

It would be up to him to prove that he is in the U.S. legitimately.

It would be up to the judge to subpoena his passport and citizenship documents.

I think it would take a really brave judge (maybe one from Texas) to confront this usurper POTUS about any of his credentials. I have never seen a president so protected or so determined to hide his personal background, but then again, we haven't seen a president raised by Chicago politics in recent memory either.

May this never happen again. America deserves the best of the best, not the worst of the worst.

This will make you ALL Laugh like it did me!
The other day, my eldest son (senior in highschool) handed me a slip of paper his boss gave him... It said " Matthew, we are in need of another form of ID for our records, your Birth Certificate will work. Please get it to my office ASAP. Thanks ----- "

Should I send a copy to Obama/Soetoro and ask him what I should do? I about fell out of my chair ! For Gods Sake, my boy works at Toys-R-Us, I could understand if he was going to be a SENATOR or PRESIDENT!
Then again, he does have to handle all those Imported Chinese toys covered in poison. Obama just asks them to Import MORE!

Originally Posted by HighlanderJuan

Originally Posted by MinutemanCDC_SC

It would be up to him to prove that he is in the U.S. legitimately.

It would be up to the judge to subpoena his passport and citizenship documents.

I think it would take a really brave judge (maybe one from Texas) to confront this usurper POTUS about any of his credentials. I have never seen a president so protected or so determined to hide his personal background, but then again, we haven't seen a president raised by Chicago politics in recent memory either.

May this never happen again. America deserves the best of the best, not the worst of the worst.

But he's The Messiah! The Chosen One! The Dear One!

Who would of thought that by getting the first Black President in office it would mean that he would want to take down America with his Socialist agenda and give it to the rest of the world to decide how WE will live here?
Screw That!!

I may have made some of these comments and suggestions before, and I hope they are worth repeating.

I am an older guy, have almost completed raising five children, run a small business, and am back in college full time for another degree (finance degree - already have a business degree). Going back to college has been a delightful experience for me, because it allows me to look at various subjects with my accumulated worldly experience, and I'm now able to integrate college topics with my own real world experience. Great fun. Makes me very involved in class, and surprisingly, most professors like the interaction, in spite of the fact I often disagree with them, or at a minimum, ask them challenging questions (it’s part of my improve my professor program).

Currently I am taking an economics course entitled "The U.S. and The World Economy" and find it very timely because of the events going on around all of us at this time. A few observations about the world we live in:

1. The USA has been operating under constitutional and financial disadvantages since the creation of the Federal Reserve Bank in 1910 during a very secretive meeting at Jekyll Island (a private resort located off the SE coast of Georgia). This was a very real banking conspiracy, and it was the beginning of our downfall as an independent nation.

2. The international bankers and financial capitalists have become incredibly strong and powerful during the last 100 years, and basically control every nation that 'free trade' allows them to get into. National governments invariably roll over for the 'Washington Consensus' (really a joint effort between Washington and Wall Street) style of national finance. Too bad, because this approach to finance has wreaked havoc on many nations at one time or another, including the United States.

3. The banking and financial regime's use of the 'Rentier Welfare State Economics' assures that concerns for the wealthy are placed above all other economic interests - including national interests. Money is shifting from the producing nation’s populations to the relatively few folks at the top of the financial food chain (George Soros is one of the billionaire financial speculators whose name you might recognize).

4. Political leaders are largely impotent in their efforts to control the financial community, who are always seeking higher and higher profits from their control of international businesses and nations. So, in this respect, political parties are irrelevant as long as a nation’s control is outside of the elected leader’s hands. We citizens sit, and we fuss over various topics, and then we vote. And nothing changes, because our votes didn’t count. We no longer run our own country. The bankers do. Because our elected officials let them.

5. In some respects, Japan has, since WW II, and with one exception I am aware of, been able to protect its economy by establishing fences around its national interests. Growing economies like Japan are also better able to accumulate and save money than economies that are slowing down (like the USA as we have experienced during the last fifty years).

6. We feel out of control because we have subcontracted all of our nation’s responsibilities to our elected officials - we thought they knew what they were doing and that they were acting in our best interests. Big mistake - they don’t and they aren’t.

So, let’s summarize where we are to this point:

- Our nation broke away from a constitutional government 100 years ago.
- Our break-away created a huge financial monopoly in the hands of a small number of banks where all of our productive energies and financial wealth is being absorbed.
- Our political parties are impotent to do anything about the problems and are, in fact, complicit in the lawlessness and conspiracy.
- We’ve elected our first socialist president – a usurper to boot.
- We feel our lives are no longer under our own control (that’s a good sign that we are still alive and still thinking, because it is an accurate observation on our part).
- We are struggling with how to get our nation’s control back to operating under the law and under our control, because we understand that we have a fouled system, and the system just doesn’t work for us anymore.

That about sum it up?

So, what to do? Here are a few suggestions, and this is where I may be redundant with some of my earlier comments.

1. We’ve tolerated unlawful behavior from our elected officials for too long, but we can’t do anything about it if we are ignorant of the law. We need to educate ourselves in many subjects, including finance, economics, law, American history. This must be an individual effort because our government schools will NOT teach us this material. Our government wants us to be ignorant and compliant. Know why Orly Taitz is so appealing to us? She educated herself and then stood on her own two feet and said “Enough! Obey the law!â€

From Grassfire.org, we have the following Obama misinformation alert:

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A message to all members of The Patriotic Resistance

On the eve of the nationwide tax day Tea Parties, Barack Obama's DHS has issued a "rightwing" threat assessment to warn of the "current economic and political climate fueling resurgence in radicalization and recruitment" for "rightwing extremism."

Who are these extremists? According to the report, adherants are primarily "hate-oriented" or "antigovernment" but also include "individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration."

It is quite a coincidence that Obama's DHS is warning of the "rightwing" threat on the eve of the Tea Parties! This is a blatant attempt to taint the efforts of those who are standing for the patriotic, idea-based resistance.

3 things you can do:

1. Download the DHS assessment and read it for yourself. We have provided a link on the main page:

http://www.resistnet.com

2. Go to a tea party! We have info and resources that you can download, print and take with you. Go to the main page.

3. Get connected with your state group:
http://www.resistnet.com/notes/ResistNet_State_Groups

Thanks!

Grassfire.org/ResistNet

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This is merely a beginning of the Obama war against the constitutionalists and law abiding citizens in America. Get ready for more of this misinformation war against We the People.

The next attacks will likely be in the form of shutting down our ability to be heard. Talk radio comes to mind. Fox channel programs like Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity come to mind. Peaceful assembly like tea parties comes to mind. Internet filtering and control by government comes to mind. They've already got the newspapers, but we've given up on them anyway. There will be more.

This war isn't going to end easily nor will it end quickly, and it will likely involve all of us at some point or other.

We've got to get rid of this guy and his co-conspirators in Washington.

From Gary Kreep, US Justice Foundation
http://www.usjf.net/

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Obama Nomination Papers Are Perjurious!

Tell All 50 State Attorneys General To Investigate NOW
The Compelling Evidence That Barack Obama Was Born In Africa

I dared bring Barack Obama into court to force him to produce his birth certificate and put an end to the controversy over his status as a "natural born" citizenship once and for all. And now he's coming after me and the United States Justice Foundation (USJF) -- the public-interest legal group that I founded over 30 years ago -- with a vengeance! Merely because we dare to seek the truth!

And they must have something to hide, because Mr. Obama's attorneys have threatened to spend, and then sanction, USJF out of existence.

USJF has started efforts to convince State Attorneys General, all across the country, to investigate whether Barack Obama has committed perjury by knowingly filing false nomination papers ... claiming to be constitutionally eligible to run for, and serve as, President of the United States. As you know, the available evidence shows that he was born in Africa. A FAX to all 50 State Attorneys General is available for you to send right now.

You see, even though it's past January 20, 2009 -- inauguration day -- Barack Obama can still be stopped from becoming an illegal "squatter" in the White House.

Frankly, the evidence that Barack Hussein Obama was born in Africa -- not Hawaii as he claims - and, therefore, cannot serve as the President of the United States, is compelling.

First, Mr. Obama's refusal to release his birth certificate. If he has nothing to hide, what does he gain by refusing to allow the press to see the birth certificate?

Second, the contention by Barack Obama's half-sister, Maya Soetoro-Ng, that Mr. Obama was born in a particular Hawaiian hospital, only to claim that it was in a different hospital several years later.

Third, the erecting of a wall around Barack Obama's grandmother, the late Madelyn Dunham, by Mr. Obama, thus cutting off access to the one person then alive who would have been present if he was actually born in Hawaii.

Fourth, the posting of law enforcement personnel at the two hospitals in Honolulu mentioned by Ms. Soetoro-Ng in an effort to block the press from discovering the truth about the birth certificate.

Fifth, a taped phone conversation with Mr. Obama's step-grandmother in Kenya, who claims that she was present at his birth ... in what is now called Kenya!

Sixth, the "birth certificate" posted on the Obama campaign website and other liberal websites. Since Barack Obama was born in 1961, long before laser printers and office computers, his original birth certificate would be typewritten ... unlike the laser printed "copy" purported to be genuine.

The evidence demands that Barack Obama answer why he has been hiding the truth from the American people about his eligibility to run for, and serve as, President!

That's right. Not only does Mr. Obama continue to categorically refuse to produce the decisive evidence proving whether he is a "natural born" citizen, his high-priced LA-based "dream team" of attorneys has USJF squarely in its crosshairs! And they're loading both barrels!

So, unless you help me and my team here at USJF to stand our ground in court, Mr. Obama's hired guns could blow a financial hole in USJF's ability to be the proverbial thorn in Mr. Obama's side!

Barack Obama continues to battle any attempt to see his real birth certificate - producing only a phony one posted on his website -- as well as fighting us tooth and nail as we seek access to his college records... records which we believe may prove that he was foreign born!

USJF served a subpoena upon Occidental College to gain access to Mr. Obama's college records and we are fighting to get at the truth on many other fronts, as well, including:

Appealing a case filed by USJF in California, all the way up to the United States Supreme Court, if necessary, on behalf of 2008 Presidential candidate Alan Keyes, calling into question Mr. Obama's status as a "natural born" citizen;

Funding, and assisting local attorneys and Plaintiffs, in similar lawsuits, in Ohio, Hawaii, and Mississippi, AND we're considering filing more lawsuits in other states; and

We have initiated a campaign demanding that your State Attorney General take action now, which I'll tell you about momentarily...

You see, when Barack Obama officially entered the office of President, he became, in essence, a "pretender to the throne." According to the Constitution, only a "natural born citizen" can occupy the presidency.

Even though he was sworn in on January 20, 2009, Barack Obama is not legally the President of the United States, unless he can prove that he is a "natural born citizen."

What's more, every action taken by him while he occupies the White House may be invalid. If he cannot legally be President, every law passed by Congress will be null and void because the Constitution clearly requires that all laws be signed by the President ... and, without a legally elected and sworn in President in office, that becomes an impossibility.

Quite frankly, this crisis must be ended! And it must be ended now!

And that's just what we're fighting to do. The United States Justice Foundation is spearheading a campaign to protect the United States Constitution ... and your liberty.

We have to press our case to stop Barack Obama from, apparently, illegally holding the Presidency, despite the ongoing threats against us. We are speaking of filing additional lawsuits and administrative actions, over and above the dozens already filed, if you will help us today.

I need your help right now in order to win this battle. We must raise the needed funds to continue our legal research, pay court costs and lawyer fees, and to contact all 50 State Attorneys General. Helping USJF with this campaign is your best shot, and, possibly your only chance, at finding out whether Barack Obama is legally holding the Presidency of our great nation, or whether he is a fraud, a usurper!

My friend, please take action immediately. Please FAX all 50 State Attorneys General and please send to me your best possible gift to help USJF stop Barack Obama from continuing his apparent theft of the Presidency!

Are you willing to see the Constitution shredded by the Left? Will you sit back and do nothing while a foreign-born person may be illegally occupying the White House as President of the United States?

We will not be intimidated. But we MUST have your help immediately if USJF is to survive this fight to the finish -- and if the U.S. Constitution is to weather this crisis intact!

Our country is on the fast track to disaster ... but you can help us keep the situation from getting worse. I pray that I'll hear from you today.


In His Name,

Gary Kreep, Executive Director
United States Justice Foundation

P.S. America has never before faced such a threat. Everything we hold dear is at risk with Barack Obama sitting as President without him releasing his actual birth certificate. Please, send in your best possible gift today!

P.P.S. And don't forget to check out our website at www.usjf.net for more information about this case and other critical issues affecting our nation.

United States Justice Foundation
Dept Code 2257
P.O. Box 131637
Houston, TX 77219-1637