Thread: Barack Obama's citizenship questioned

Kathy, too cryptic for some of us. Who was in Las Vegas?


here is a live feed link.

but he won't show he is in Las vegas as I write this

Georgia Live Stream Video | Article II Super PAC

Originally Posted by TexasBorn

Kathy, too cryptic for some of us. Who was in Las Vegas?

President Obama

go to see you TexasBorn

Originally Posted by kathyet

President Obama

go to see you TexasBorn

I hope that, at a minimum, enough evidence was presented to keep Obama off the Georgia ballot. Even though Dr. Taitz did not present the evidence in a polished manner, I believe the message was clear, even to the ignorant, that further investigation is warranted.

Knowledge of the Obama usurpation must become the public understanding to the extent that it undermines his authority to govern, like a unofficial "no-confidence" vote. Then he should resign, as did Pres. Richard Nixon in 1974, long after Watergate became widely known.


But Atty. Michael Jablonski and the Kenyan communist usurper are counting on the sheeple propaganda agencies to keep a lid on it. Jablonski had nothing to gain by appearing before Judge Malihi - the fraudulent impostor wouldn't get Georgia's 15 electoral votes anyway.

RED ALERT FOR COLORADO!

http://www.alipac.us/f9/red-alert-co...espond-249284/

A natural born Citizen is

a citizen
born in the country
of parents who are citizens.

That is the textus receptus for nbC, according to:

>>> over 2400 years of common usage in Western Civilization (except by the tyrant King George III in 18th c. Great Britain);

>>> correspondence among the Framers of the Constitution: Geo. Washington, John Jay, John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, David Ramsay, and others; *
(Continued at http://www.alipac.us/f19/barack-obam...ml#post1253018 )

* The following are quotes concurrent with the Constitution which make manifest the Framers' original intent regarding "natural born Citizen."

"Timothy Cunningham's Law Dictionary (1771) was the only law dictionary that James Madison ordered for the Continental Congress. It was one of the most popular comprehensive English dictionaries of the late eighteenth century, and was found in many personal libraries, including those of Thomas Jefferson and John Adams. It was contemporaneously used by various American Supreme Courts for clarification of legal terms. (Berry, pp.347-8 ).

"Under the 'Aliens' section of his Law Dictionary, Cunningham defined 'natural-born subject' as one who is born within the king's realm, of parents who are under the king's 'actual obedience:'
"'All those are natural born subjects, whose parents, at the time of their birth, were under the actual obedience of our king, and whose place of birth was within his dominions.' (Cunningham, p.95, in section entitled "Aliens")

"The exact same definition of 'natural-born subject' is found in Matthew Bacon's A New Abridgment of the Law, Volume 1, published in 1736. (Bacon, Matthew, p.77)."

Obama Presidential Eligibility - An Introductory Primer, a scholarly treatment of the "natural born Citizen" clause and its consequences upon Mr. Obama's ineligibility. Highly recommended.
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Natural Born Citizen - A Place to Ask Questions and Get the Right Answers:
"Is Being a Born Citizen of the United States Sufficient Citizenship Status to
be President? The Founders and Framers Emphatically Decided It Was Not!"
contains an excellent compilation of historical references to "natural born Citizen" which illuminate the original intent of the Framers of the U.S. Constitution.

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Benjamin Franklin to: Charles William Frederic Dumas [in the Netherlands]
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Dear Sir,
Philadelphia, 9 December, 1775.

I am much obliged by the kind present you have made us of your edition of Vattel. It came to us in good season, when the circumstances of a rising state make it necessary frequently to consult the law of nations.

Accordingly that copy, which I kept, (after depositing one in our own public library here, and sending the other to the College of Massachusetts Bay, as you directed,) has been continually in the hands of the members of our Congress, now sitting, who are much pleased with your notes and preface, and have entertained a high and just esteem for their author.

Ben Franklin thanks Charles Dumas for Copies of Vattel's Law of Nations

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John Jay was an avid reader and proponent of natural law and particularly Vattel's codification of natural law and the Law of Nations. In his letter to Washington, he said that the Citizenship requirement for the office of the commander of our armies should contain a "strong check" against foreign influence, and he recommended to Washington that the command of the military be open only to a "natural born Citizen." Thus Jay did not agree that simply being a "born Citizen" was sufficient enough protection from foreign influence in the singular most powerful office in the new form of government. He wanted another adjective added to the eligibility clause, i.e., 'natural'. And that word natural goes to the Citizenship status of one's parents via natural law.

The below is the relevant proposed change language from Jay's letter which he proposed to strengthen the citizenship requirements in Article II and to require more than just being a "born Citizen" of the United States to serve as a future Commander in Chief and President.

John Jay wrote in a letter to George Washington dated [New York] 25 July 1787:

"Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen. "

... General Washington passed on the recommendation from Jay to the convention, and it was adopted in the final draft and was accepted, adding the adjective "natural", making it "natural born Citizen of the United States" for future Presidents and Commanders in Chief of the military, rather than Hamilton's proposed, "born a Citizen."

CDR Charles F. Kerchner, Jr., (USN Ret.)
Natural Born Citizen - A Place to Ask Questions and Get the Right Answers:
"Is Being a Born Citizen of the United States Sufficient Citizenship Status to
be President? The Founders and Framers Emphatically Decided It Was Not!"

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Also see A Dissertation on the Manner of Acquiring the Character and Privileges of a Citizen of the United States (1789) by David Ramsay of South Carolina.

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In his Commentaries on the Constitution (1833), U.S. Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story held that the "natural born citizen" clause of the Constitution was included to exclude "ambitious foreigners" from the presidency and to shield government in the United States against the foreign influence, foreign interference, and foreign intrigues that so plagued European monarchies.

Originally Posted by U.S. Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story

§1473. It is indispensable, too, that the president should be a natural born citizen of the United States; or a citizen at the adoption of the constitution, and for fourteen years before his election. This permission ['a citizen at the adoption of the constitution,'] of a naturalized citizen to become president is an exception from the great fundamental policy of all governments, to exclude foreign influence from their executive councils and duties. It was doubtless introduced (for it has now become by lapse of time merely nominal, and will soon become wholly extinct) out of respect to those distinguished revolutionary patriots, who were born in a foreign land, and yet had entitled themselves to high honours in their adopted country. A positive exclusion of them from the office would have been unjust to their merits, and painful to their sensibilities. But the general propriety of the exclusion of foreigners, in common cases, will scarcely be doubted by any sound statesman. It cuts off all chances for ambitious foreigners, who might otherwise be intriguing for the office; and interposes a barrier against those corrupt interferences of foreign governments in executive elections, which have inflicted the most serious evils upon the elective monarchies of Europe. Germany, Poland, and even the pontificate of Rome...

http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/a2_1_5s2.html

January 26, 2012

Obama Ballot Access Challenge Hearing – Gavel to Gavel Live Video Stream Coverage from Atlanta GA

Filed under: Articles/Reports-Other,News Announcements — cfkerchner @ 8:20 am
Tags: Article II Super Pac, ballot access challenge, Barack Obama not a natural born Citizen, Birther Summit, Constitution, Georgia, Live video coverage. Obama eligibility hearing

Obama Ballot Access Challenge Hearing – Gavel to Gavel Live Video Stream Coverage from Atlanta GA

My comment and reaction to today’s legal proceedings in GA:
Today I give thanks to God and the great state of Georgia which demonstrated that we are in some parts of our nation still a nation of laws and not men. Obama and his attorney thumbed their noses at the Georgia court and the entire judicial system and decided not to even show up at the court hearing in Atlanta GA today to present evidence and the real 3-dimensional identity documents requested and subpoenaed, not merely digital images on the internet. Obama thinks he is a King and thus not subject to the election laws of Georgia and the United States Constitution. He will soon learn otherwise. As the Georgia Secretary of State said in warning Obama and his attorney if they did not show up for the court hearing today … if they do that, they will do so at their own peril. See results below. CDR Charles Kerchner (Ret), cdrkerchner.wordpress.com
Prior link to the live coverage, now over, was at 9 a.m. EST 26 Jan 2012 at this link: Article II Super PAC | Home Page
Update 12:45 pm : Based on watching the live feed. Obama’s attorney was a no show. Hearing was conducted without him. At least one of the attorney’s pointed out to the judge that Obama’s attorney not showing up was showing contempt to the court and to the entire judicial system. There was a short private meeting in the Judge’s chambers prior to the start of the hearing. The hearing ended after about two hours of presentation by the various lawyers for the plaintiff’s side including getting testimony from witnesses and presenting the court exhibits and Supreme Court case law covering the issue of natural born Citizenship and that Obama is not “natural born Citizen of the United States” and thus is not eligible to be on the GA ballot. Atty Taitz also introduced evidence and witness testimony regarding Obama’s identity fraud activities regarding the Connecticut SSN and the forged online birth certificate. The judge is allowing some additional time for the both sides to submit written briefs to him before he makes his decision. As I understand it, he will release the final outcome and his decision sometime in early February. But he was obviously not happy that Obama and his attorneys stiffed the court. More details will be posted as additional information is provided by those who physically attended the hearing.

Update 1:05 pm: Per telecon between G Wilmott and Dean Haskins which was relayed to me. Dean Haskins who was in the courtroom this morning assisting with the Art 2Pac live stream. Judge Malihi talked to the attorneys in chambers before the hearing this morning and told them that he was going to enter a DEFAULT JUDGMENT against Obama and recommend that Obama’s name not be on the Georgia ballot! All the attorneys expressed a desire to put an abbreviated streamlined case on the record and the judge agreed. How does the mainstream media spin this? The Georgia SOS has already indicated that he will follow the judge’s recommendation. Obama will not get any popular vote or electors from the great state of Georgia! Congratulations to all freedom-loving Americans!

More coverage and news about the hearing here: Georgia Hearing: Judge Wanted To Immediately Enter Default Judgment Against Obama | Birther Report: Obama Release Your Records

Brief report by the Atlanta Journal Constitution newspaper site trying to put the best spin they could on Obama defaulting the case by him or his legal team not showing up today: No ruling in ‘birther' challenge *| ajc.com

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Barack Obama is NOT a “natural born Citizen of the United States” and is thus constitutionally ineligible to be the President and Commander in Chief of our military. Obama was born to a FOREIGN NATIONAL FATHER who was NEVER a U.S. Citizen nor was Obama’s father even an immigrant to the USA or even a permanent resident in the USA. For no other U.S. President in the history of the nation since the founding generation (who were exempt from the natural born Citizen clause in the U.S. Constitution via a grandfather clause in Article II Section 1) was that the case, i.e., having a foreign national father who was never a U.S. Citizen or even an immigrant to this country. Obama being seated as the putative president is an outrageous violation of Article II Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution, the presidential eligibility clause. Obama was not born with sole allegiance to the USA. Sole allegiance and unity of Citizenship at birth was the goal and purpose for putting the natural born Citizen clause into Article II Section 1 of the Constitution as to who could serve as president once the founding generation has passed away. Obama (II) was born a British Subject via his foreign national father Obama (Sr.) who was a British Subject. Obama is not a “natural born Citizen of the United States” to constitutional standards since he was born with dual allegiance and citizenship. The founders and framers did not want anyone with foreign allegiance to ever get command of our military, i.e., be the president. Obama is constitutionally not eligible to be president and commander in chief of our military.


Adjectives mean something. A “Citizen at Birth” is not logically identically equal to a “natural born Citizen at Birth”. Barack Obama may be a ‘Citizen of the United States’ but he is not a ‘natural born Citizen of the United States’ and does not meet the constitutional standards as to who can be the President and Commander in Chief of our military: Natural Born Citizen - A Place to Ask Questions and Get the Right Answers: Obama - Maybe a Citizen of the United States but Not a "natural born Citizen" of the United States

The natural born Citizen clause in our Constitution is a national security clause inserted into our Constitution by John Jay and George Washington. Read why the natural born Citizen clause is still important and worth protecting.

Five Citizenship Terms Mentioned in the U.S. Constitution: Citizenship Terms Used in the U.S. Constitution - The 5 Terms Defined & Some Legal Reference to Same

Of Trees and Plants and Basic Logic and Citizenship Types: Of Trees and Plants and Basic Logic - 'Citizen at Birth' NOT Identical to 'Natural Born Citizen'
See evidence Obama forged the birth certificate posted on White House servers 27 Apr 2011: Obama Birth Certificate & Other Docs Forged - Expert Reports

See evidence Obama is using a SSN 042-68-4425 not legally issued to him: Barack Obama Social Security Number (SSN) Fraudulent

See evidence of Obama’s forged and back dated draft registration here: EXCLUSIVE: Did Next Commander-in-Chief Falsify Selective Service Registration? Never Actually Register? Obama’s Draft Registration Raises Serious Questions


The Obama constitutional eligibility issue is not a fringe issue! South Carolina Poll Results – A poll done by Public Policy Polling (PPP) shows that almost 2/3 of GOP voters want Obama’s constitutional eligibility and true legal identity investigated. This is not a fringe issue: Astounding percentage in early-primary state question eligibility

CDR Charles Kerchner (Ret)
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Obama Ballot Access Challenge Hearing – Gavel to Gavel Live Video Stream Coverage from Atlanta GA « CDR Kerchner's Blog

The U.S. Customs and Immigration Service still officially makes the distinction between "native-born" and "natural-born" citizens.

Interpretation 324.2 Reacquisition of citizenship lost by marriage.

The repatriation provisions of these two most recent enactments also apply to a native- and natural-born citizen woman who expatriated herself by marriage to an alien racially ineligible to citizenship, a category of expatriate not covered by the earlier 1936 legislation.

The words "shall be deemed to be a citizen of the United States to the same extent as though her marriage to said alien had taken place on or after September 22, 1922", as they appeared in the 1936 and 1940 statutes, are prospective and restore the status of native-born or natural-born citizen (whichever existed prior to the loss) as of the date citizenship was reacquired.

The effect of naturalization under the above statutes was not to erase the previous period of alienage, but to restore the person to the status if naturalized, native, or natural-born citizen, as determined by her status prior to loss.

Quick - download it to archive before the usurpation can expunge the reference.


The Current INS Officially Recognizes A Delineation Between Natural-Born and Native-Born.
by attorney Leo Donofrio

The Current INS Officially Recognizes A Delineation Between Natural-Born and Native-Born. « Natural Born Citizen/

Originally Posted by Leo Donofrio

I was just made privy to a very important piece of research I had not previously been aware of. It comes by way of a comment forwarded to me by the author of the h2ooflife blog:

“I had presumed that the idiom “natural born citizen” appeared nowhere in U.S. Law other than A2S1C5, but I found it in administrative law and it is contrasted with native and naturalized citizenship. I’ve never seen any mention of this fact before and wonder how many are aware of it in the ineligibility camp. Here’s the quotes:
Interpretation 324.2 Reacquisition of citizenship lost by marriage.

He then quoted two provisions from the link provided, but there’s actually three at the official INS “.gov” site which establish official recognition by the federal government that native-born and natural-born should be separately delineated. When you visit the suggested link to the Immigration and Naturalization service, it brings you to “Interpretation 324.2 Reacquisition of citizenship lost by marriage.”

Interpretation 324.2 (a)(3) provides:

“The repatriation provisions of these two most recent enactments also apply to a native- and natural-born citizen woman who expatriated herself by marriage to an alien…” (Emphasis added.)

Then, Interpretation 324.2(a)(7) provides:“

(7) Restoration of citizenship is prospective . Restoration to citizenship under any one of the three statutes is not regarded as having erased the period of alienage that immediately preceded it.

The words “shall be deemed to be a citizen of the United States to the same extent as though her marriage to said alien had taken place on or after September 22, 1922″, as they appeared in the 1936 and 1940 statutes, are prospective and restore the status of native-born or natural-born citizen (whichever existed prior to the loss) as of the date citizenship was reacquired.” (Emphasis added.)

And again, Interpretation 324.2(b) provides:

“The effect of naturalization under the above statutes was not to erase the previous period of alienage, but to restore the person to the status if naturalized, native, or natural-born citizen, as determined by her status prior to loss.” (Emphasis added.)

Interpretation 324.1 Loss of citizenship by marriage.

Three times in this official INS Interpretation – currently published by the Obama Administration – native-born and natural-born are given separate consideration. And in the third example – from Interpretation 324.2(b) – the INS clearly states that each delineation, “naturalized, native, or natural-born citizen“, is a separate status.

... the research provided as to the INS Interpretations is superb and greatly appreciated. Well done, sir.

Adding these official Interpretations of the INS, published at the official “.gov” site, to the Supreme Court’s opinion from Minor v. Happersett, the true Constitutional definition of a natural-born citizen, as one born in the country to citizen parents, is further reinforced. Like the Obama administration’s prior scrubbing of the Foreign Affairs Manual, on August 21, 2009, the INS web site appears due for a cut and die at the salon.

Leo Donofrio, Esq.

http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2012/01/25/the-current-ins-officially-recognizes-a-delineation-between-natural-born-and-native-born/

I apologize for snatching defeat from the jaws of so-called "victory", but the hearing with Judge Malihi was our "winner-takes-all bet" and we get . . . pocket change.

This was the most sympathetic judge we've had in 3½ years, unfazed by intimidation, threats, or coercion, the first judge to enter the merits of the nbC case into evidence, and we get . . . a default judgment for non-appearance . . . against the fraudulent communist/Is|amist dictator and usurper of the U.S. government?

So he can't be on the ballot in Georgia... so what? He wasn't in the running for Georgia's 15 electoral votes in any case. But he surely did receive an unexpected gift when the other attorneys entered the forged Certificate into the record as evidence. The opposition doesn't even show up, and we shoot ourselves in the foot.

We should not have expected the Conman-in-Chief to show up at a fight that he couldn't win, where any possible outcome would have been a loss overall for him. I guess it could have been worse.

The next hearing before Judge Malihi in Atlanta is on Feb. 6th.

Video at links below





No ruling in ‘birther' challenge

01-26-2012 • Atlanta News, Sports, Atlanta Weather, Business News*| ajc.com
After hearing evidence with neither President Barack Obama nor his lawyers in attendance, a state administrative law judge on Thursday did not issue a ruling as to whether Obama can be allowed on the state ballot in November.

Lawyers for area residents mounting "birther" challenges told Deputy Chief Judge Michael Malihi that Obama should be found in contempt of court for not appearing when under subpoena to do so. But Malihi did not indicate he would recommend that and cut off one lawyer when he criticized Obama for not attending the hearing.

"It shows not just a contempt for this court, but contempt for the judicial branch," lawyer Van Irion told Malihi.

"I'm not interested in commentary on that, counselor," Malihi quickly replied.
Late Wednesday, Obama's lawyer, Michael Jablonski, wrote Secretary of State Brian Kemp, asking him to suspend the hearing. "It is well established that there is no legitimate issue here -- a conclusion validated time and again by courts around the country," Jablonski wrote.


No ruling in ‘birther' challenge

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By Bill Rankin

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

After hearing evidence with neither President Barack Obama nor his lawyers in attendance, a state administrative law judge on Thursday did not issue a ruling as to whether Obama can be allowed on the state ballot in November.
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Around the Plaintiff's table Kevin Powell (from left), Thomas Hatfield, Carl Swensson, John Sampson, and Mark Hatfield greeted each other before the hearing. The plaintiffs contend President Obama is not a natural-born citizen and not eligible to be on the Georgia ballot.
Bob Andres, bandres@ajc.com Around the Plaintiff's table Kevin Powell (from left), Thomas Hatfield, Carl Swensson, John Sampson, and Mark Hatfield greeted each other before the hearing. The plaintiffs contend President Obama is not a natural-born citizen and not eligible to be on the Georgia ballot.
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The defendant's side was empty as the Obama camp decided to boycott the hearing.
Bob Andres, bandres@ajc.com The defendant's side was empty as the Obama camp decided to boycott the hearing.
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A Georgia judge did not issue a ruling on a 'birther' challenge as to whether President Barack Obama can appear on the Georgia ballot.
Ross D. Franklin, AP A Georgia judge did not issue a ruling on a 'birther' challenge as to whether President Barack Obama can appear on the Georgia ballot.
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Lawyers for area residents mounting "birther" challenges told Deputy Chief Judge Michael Malihi that Obama should be found in contempt of court for not appearing when under subpoena to do so. But Malihi did not indicate he would recommend that and cut off one lawyer when he criticized Obama for not attending the hearing.

"It shows not just a contempt for this court, but contempt for the judicial branch," lawyer Van Irion told Malihi.

"I'm not interested in commentary on that, counselor," Malihi quickly replied.

Late Wednesday, Obama's lawyer, Michael Jablonski, wrote Secretary of State Brian Kemp, asking him to suspend the hearing. "It is well established that there is no legitimate issue here -- a conclusion validated time and again by courts around the country," Jablonski wrote.

Jablonski also served notice he would boycott the hearing.

In response, Kemp said the hearing to consider the challenges is required by Georgia law. "If you and your client choose to suspend your participation in the [Office of State Administrative Hearings] proceedings, please understand that you do so at your own peril," Kemp wrote.

Thursday's hearing was held before a packed courtroom with almost every seat taken -- except for those at the defendant's table facing the judge.


No ruling in ‘birther' challenge *| ajc.com