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    Passed by a REPUBLICAN Led Congress
    Passed by a Democrat Led Senate
    Signed by a Marxist POTUS
    Approved by RINO Mitt Romney on National T.V.
    There Is NO Change Coming



    Time for the Bonus Question:

    Of the 3 candidates in the race for POTUS;
    Barack Obama, Mitt Romney or Ron Paul

    Which of the 3 will NOT open up the FEMA Camps, Impose Martial Law, Turn the Armed Forces Loose On the American Public, Use 30,000 Drones in American Air Space against it's citizens, Start WWIII by attacking Nation after Nation, while building up the Armed Forces whose budget is already larger than all of the rest of the countries in the world combined while Bankrupting the Country?

    Hint: It won't be the Indivual that FOLLOWS the Constitution of the United States

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    Guest Post: The ‘Lesser Of Two Evils’ Con-Game



    Submitted by Tyler Durden on 06/12/2012 10:29 -040
    Submitted by Brandon Smith from Alt-Market

    The ‘Lesser Of Two Evils’ Con-Game



    The moral relativism of the “lesser of two evils” philosophy has been draining the heart and soul of America for decades. Many of us in the Liberty Movement understand that it is nothing new, and have come to expect the abusive and emaciated logic it entails from time to time. However, over the course of the past year it has become apparent to me that the talking points and propaganda that drive the hypocritical worldview are being utilized on an even grander scale than ever before. This fact struck me quite sharply while attending a local GOP Lincoln/Reagan dinner event while I was attempting to gauge the overall danger our country would be facing from potential RINO (Republican In Name Only) sellouts as well as what our hopes were for a possible political solution at the local and state level. The “conservative” rally was, to say the least, disappointing.

    One thing that stood out plainly at this event, though, was that there was an overall template; an action plan, a message that had been pre-engineered. Someone had sent out a memo, or an email, or a guide, or perhaps beamed talking points directly into the cyborg brains of these political hacks. Their rhetoric was repetitive and uniform and dry like elbow skin. The demand was clearly stated; regardless of who won the Republican Primaries, no matter how unprincipled, how unconstitutional, how despicable, it was our “duty” as conservatives to back them through the national elections. Obama and the Democrats had to be defeated at all costs…

    Now, one of the first tenets or rules that a person learns when delving into the Liberty Movement is that there is no such thing as political parties in America today. There are no conflicting interests in Washington D.C. There is no “grand battle” between left and right for the minds of the masses.

    It is a sham. A con. A fantasy. A false paradigm.

    In reality, the leaderships of both fraudulent parties support essentially the same methodology, and that methodology could be summarized thus: Centralize everything, globalize everything, control everything, grow government power, reduce the effectiveness of the citizenry, turn the public against each other, rob them while they’re distracted. If an American does not understand this dynamic and how it is used to dominate the ebb and flow of our culture, then that American knows nothing. He is lost…

    Sadly, even those of us who should very well know better than to fall into the false left/right paradigm trap do so on occasion, as has been made painfully obvious by the foolhardy actions of Rand Paul and his blank check endorsement of Mitt Romney. Certainly, this epic blunder, which seems to me to be a blind stab at political maneuvering on the part of Ron Paul’s son, has set off an angry firestorm amongst true Constitutionalists who know every lie Mitt Romney has ever told. People are using words like “betrayal”, and “traitor”, and with good reason, but let’s look at this calamity from the other side of things for a moment…

    There are others out there who would applaud Rand Paul’s decision. While many of them will openly admit that they do not feel very secure in the shadow of a Romney presidency, they still rationalize their position by making the “lesser of two evils” argument. “America may be going off the edge of a cliff”, they say, “but at least Romney won’t press the gas peddle as hard as Obama”. Here are just a few of the many reasons why this way of thinking will lead to the end of our society as we know it…

    Lesser Of Two Evils? There’s No Such Thing…

    First of all, asserting that there is such a thing as a “lesser of two evils” is an act of naivety. It relies on a very dangerous assumption; that one can somehow quantify which candidate is going to hurt the country less. I’ve even read essays by people who pretend they can mathematically delineate the “more evil” of the evils! Not surprisingly, their “logic” invariably leads them to proclaim the lesser evil to be the candidate of the party they happen to belong to. Ignorant Republicans always see the Democrat as the greater evil, while ignorant Democrats always see the Republican as the ultimate monster.

    Here’s some math for you: there are two candidates for President of the United States, one is a cannibalistic serial killer who plans to murder 20 more people with his own hands while in office. The other is a cannibalistic serial killer who only plans to kill 19 innocents personally. Which candidate do you support?

    The correct answer is NEITHER.

    Unless you are a fan of murder, there is no inherent difference between these two demonic bureaucrats. They both stand in opposition to the guiding principles of inborn conscience, as well as the protections provided by the laws of free people. The fact that one man will do slightly less damage during his reign is irrelevant. Is a choice between Stalin and Hitler, for instance, really a choice at all? Which one is the "lesser evil" in this equation?

    Some may argue that this comparison is a bit over the top. I beg to differ. Presidents have the power not only to maim and kill en mass, but they also have the power to dismantle the laws which protect our civil liberties. To drive the point home as far as Romney and Obama are concerned, let’s watch the following video, which removes the blinders and exposes these two charlatans for what they really are; two peas in a pod:



    A refusal to vote, or a vote for a third party, is not a vote for Obama, or a vote for Romney, but a vote against the charade.
    There is no such thing as a “lesser evil”. Either a candidate follows the path of truth and honor, or he does not. If he does, he deserves our support. If he does not, or if both candidates are criminals, then they both must be tossed to the wayside. Just because the system has deliberately limited our choices does not mean we are required to participate in the flim-flam.

    Participation Is A Duty?

    I have also heard the argument that by refusing to participate within the system, and by refusing to choose a specimen from the carnival of horrors we are presented every election cycle, we are doing more harm to America than good. This is the most prevalent falsehood of our era.

    The bottom line is, Americans have been dancing in the lesser of two evils pageantry for generations and our Constitutional shield has only been further degraded and destroyed in that time. I defy anyone to show how choosing Obama over McCain, or Bush over Gore, or Clinton over Bush Sr. has helped this country or its people. Where are these illusory advantages and benefits of participation? Where has our country gone while the public fettered away years trying to decide which ghoul to hand over the scepter of empire to? Or, the ultimate question; what specifically have they achieved? Have they gained anything? Has any minutia of our lives been made better by following the “lesser of two evils theory”? Only a fool would claim yes…

    One might argue that a non-vote is the same as putting all bad candidates on the same footing, and that this would be “wrong”. I disagree. In an election in which all candidates share the same disparaging policies, they are ALREADY on the same footing. We simply refuse to give the farce legitimacy by casting our vote for any one of them.

    In the game of chess, the primary goal is to diminish your opponent’s options. To force him into a corner where, no matter which choice he makes, he loses. Chess, however, is not life. In life, intelligent and creative individuals have the ability to walk away from the board completely and implement their own solutions. The more we continue to participate in the rigged game, and the more we continue to view the future as a series of self contained boundaries administered by the establishment instead of a wide open frontier in which all is possible, the more we will lose, until there is nothing left.

    Only Cowards Compromise In The Face Of Evil

    Good does not compromise with evil. As stated above, there is nothing to be gained by it. I find that the people most prone to suggesting or demanding compromise with oligarchs and tyrants are usually cowards who have never faced down any legitimate struggle in their lives with any passion. But, how do they sell this stunted philosophy to others? The illusion here is one of “reason” or “objectivity”.

    Fearful men often use the guise of objectivity (even if they are not) to avoid confrontation, especially confrontation with a supposed authority figure or government. Strangely, their powers of reason and deduction invariably seem to lead them to subservience to the establishment structure. Compromise, for them, is a way to protect their flailing egos by playing the role of the “even handed citizen” while at the same time crawling towards servitude.

    The argument to this position would, of course, be that many in the Liberty Movement compromise with evil everyday. That we follow laws we disagree with and that we find reprehensible, and that this makes us somehow “hypocritical”. I would say that this is a very narrow and disingenuous view.

    Free minded people do not “follow” reprehensible laws so much as tolerate them while working to dismantle them (“following” infers acceptance). Being honorable and generally of good will, we look for peaceful avenues of redress and change. But, if those avenues are closed to us, and if the injustices expand, the free minded become freedom fighters. Dissent and even revolution are inevitable in the face of tyranny. It is an undeniable feature of human nature.

    What I find most interesting though is the conundrum that this conflict of interest creates for the skeptical establishment slave. If the Liberty Movement tolerates bad law while searching for a peaceful path towards change, they call us hypocritical. If the Liberty Movement abandons tolerance and bring force to bear against tyranny and its abuse of the law, they call us “fringe extremists”. Apparently, the only way we can be correct in the eyes of self proclaimed objectivists is if we bow to the constraints of the system, sit back, keep our mouths shut, and enjoy the bread and circuses.

    The Greatest Evil Is Moral Relativism

    Collectivist governments seek to encourage extreme moral flexibility. Totalitarian regimes cannot survive otherwise. The lesser of two evils sales pitch is, in the end, an extension of the methodology of moral relativism. It trains us to embrace the status quo, whether we like it or not, and to continuously rationalize our adherence to the sham just to get through the day. The mental gymnastics we are required to perform become more complex and unstable. Eventually, in order to ease our consciences which are screaming in agony at the pit of our chests, we have to stop caring about anything, and just go through the motions of participation.

    This is not the way to freedom.

    There are other ways to secure liberty beyond elections, but for these strategies to be effective, we have to stop asking for permission from the establishment before we take action. Perhaps you seek to step outside the box and away from the controlled paradigm. Perhaps you seek to confront the system head on, either exposing its duplicity and evil, or erasing it as an obstacle completely. The system, its laws, and its political theater are of no consequence, especially when it has been so corrupted.

    Moral relativists, though keen on the idea of mutable law, enjoy the trappings of the law as long as it is to their benefit. The law, as I have pointed out in the past, is arbitrary, and always has been. The only true law is the law of inherent and universal conscience. My conscience, as with most other people, tells me that choosing the “lesser of two evils” (an illogical abstraction) sends a message to the elitists that manipulate our culture that I am willing to help them perpetuate their fiction. I become an accomplice in the crime. I commit self mutilation. I give power to the lie.

    Such institutionalized misery can only be undone by uncompromising men and women who put principles and conscience before comfort, or even before their own lives. All throughout history, this is how wrong is undone. No society ever changed for the better by casting aside their beliefs and their individualism. No society ever changed for the better by choosing the lesser of two evils. No society ever changed for the better by holding out the hand of friendship to despots, maniacs, and con-men in the hopes that they would be spared just a little less tragedy before their time on this Earth is over…

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    I Have A Conscience...I Will NOT Vote With Conformity...Give Me Liberty Or Give Me Death

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    Ron Paul 2012


    Only 1/3 of the colonists believed the Revolutionary War was necessary, and they changed the course of history forever...



    I Have A Conscience...I Will NOT Vote With Conformity...Give Me Liberty Or Give Me Death | Peace . Gold . Liberty | Ron Paul 2012

    I hope your ready... the G.O.P. says they wish too drop Ron Paul from the Republican Party

    Get Ready for the Shocker ... a hell of a lot of us are ready to bolt as it is...

    the G.O.P. went ROGUE and is viewed just as bad as the Liberal NUT Cases

    BY the Way R'Money approves of the NDAA

    Indefinate Detention of American Citizens

    excuse me ..... you want my vote.... No I didnt think so

    Obama and Romney - You Do Not have my Consent to Govern

    Obama - You are a President with NO COUNTRY
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    WND EXCLUSIVE

    Palin: Tea partiers have 'no choice' but Romney


    'Of course they're going to go with anybody but Obama'

    Published: 6 hours ago by Drew Zahn

    After a long and sharply contested GOP primary battle, many Republicans, conservatives and tea-party types have been left questioning whether they can, in good conscience, vote for Mitt Romney in November.

    Romney’s statements as a former advocate of legalized abortion, his hotly contested record on same-sex marriage and his health-care reforms while governor of Massachusetts – sometimes maligned as “Romneycare” – have left conservatives uncertain if the presumptive Republican nominee is really one of their own.

    Tea-party darling and former GOP vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin, however, is basically dismissing the concerns, telling Fox News Channel’s Shannon Bream that Romney has the Republican Party’s conservative base in the bag.

    On “America’s News Headquarters” over the weekend, host Bream asked Palin if Romney’s choice of Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., as running mate would help persuade those “not completely sold” on the name at the top of the GOP ticket.

    “A lot of maybe Tea Party patriots have understood, wisely, that they’ve had no choice,” Palin answered. “Of course they’re going to go with anybody but Obama, and now, yes, I believe that there will be a strengthening, more enthusiasm, because [of] this ticket.”

    When asked how Romney needs to “coalesce” his message to communicate with voters, Palin doubled down on the notion that the GOP base is secured.

    “It’s all about the independents, Shannon,” Palin said. “We don’t have to just keep on preaching to the choir, there, of the hardcore base of fiscal conservatives within the Republican Party – we got ‘em; Romney’s got ‘em. We’ve got to reach the independents.”

    According to the latest polling data from Rasmussen Reports, however, Palin’s claims may be more predictive of voting in November than descriptive of the current divide within the Republican Party.

    Rasmussen’s most recent poll on the question of voter enthusiasm found that only 16 percent of Republicans believe Romney and Obama are the best two options to be running for president, only 35 percent will affirm excitement about the match-up and a sobering 46 percent of all voters believe they “will simply be voting for the lesser of two evils this November.”

    Nonetheless, according to the most recent Gallup polls, 90 percent of Republicans say they would vote for Romney if the election was today, and 92 percent of those who voted for GOP candidate John McCain in 2008 say they plan to vote for Romney in 2012.

    When asked if she would endorse and stump for the presumptive GOP ticket, Palin responded, “Oh, 100 percent in support; I’m all in for Romney and Ryan.”
    Bream’s interview with Palin can be seen below:



    Palin: Tea partiers have ‘no choice’ but Romney





    Palin: Tea partiers have 'no choice' but Romney <--- WRONG

    ~ Some will stay home
    ~ Some are so PISS'd Off from the RNC and GOP cheating they will vote Obama... check out the forums you will see exactly what i am talking about
    ~ Some Will do a write in Vote
    ~ Some will vote for the Constitution Party
    ~ You better start looking for votes or get those Dibold Machines going screwy to bulk up your numbers... its far less than what you think you have... numbers are going to Wobble badly right after the RNC


    When asked how Romney needs to “coalesce” his message to communicate with voters, Palin doubled down on the notion that the GOP base is secured. <--- Wrong ... I have been a Hard Core Republican for the last 11 years and a straight party voter an additional 18 years (Not no More)

    “It’s all about the independents, Shannon,” Palin said. “We don’t have to just keep on preaching to the choir, there, of the hardcore base of fiscal conservatives within the Republican Party – we got ‘em; Romney’s got ‘em. <--- Wrong There are an estimated 11 - 13 Million Ron Paul Fan's and there is no such Animal as a on the fence Ron Paul voter ... Even if there was; those numbers are to small to Matter

    the GOP / RNC threw away Millions of young highly motivated voters by CHEATING against Ron Paul in state after state


    We’ve got to reach the independents.” <--- Correct and you are running out of time


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    The current view of the 2012 presidential election, based on HuffPost Pollster charts and analysis.

    Updated: Thursday, Aug. 16 4:39 pm ET

    Obama 257 Electoral Votes <---- BINGO's gone Wooo Hooo

    Romney 191 Electoral Votes


    270 electoral votes needed to win

    Obama vs. Romney Electoral Map

    The GOP and RNC have a Suicide Run~Away Train happening and they just dont get it... Romney, just like McCain wasnt picked to Win; he was picked by the Elites to knock out any and all contenders against Obama

    These 2 ~ Obama / Romney are Globalists and the Elite have hedged their Bets... there is NO change Coming

    It will be a Democrat win and just like Dubya Bush... it will destroy the Conservative Movement and Gut the Republican Party
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    Obama vs Romney

    Last Updated: 8/16

    State Pollster Poll Date Obama Romney
    Wisconsin Rasmussen Reports 8/15-8/15 47% 48%
    Florida Rasmussen Reports 8/15-8/15 43% 45%
    National Rasmussen Tracking 8/13-8/15 44% 45%
    Ohio Purple Strategies 8/13-8/14 44% 46%
    Florida Purple Strategies 8/13-8/14 47% 48%
    Colorado Purple Strategies 8/13-8/14 49% 46%
    Virginia Purple Strategies 8/13-8/14 45% 48%
    National Gallup Tracking 8/8-8/14 45% 47%
    Ohio Rasmussen Reports 8/13-8/13 45% 45%
    Ohio PPP 8/9-8/12 48% 45%
    New Hampshire PPP 8/9-8/12 51% 45%
    Missouri SurveyUSA 8/9-8/12 44% 45%
    Pennsylvania Franklin Marshall 8/7-8/12 47% 42%
    New Hampshire WMUR/UNH 8/1-8/12 49% 46%
    National IBD/CSM/TIPP 8/3-8/10 46% 39%

    More Obama vs Romney »


    Rasmussen Tracking »

    Gallup Tracking »


    Battleground States:
    Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania.

    General Election? Read the Karl Rove Playbook


    Presidential Polls for 2012 Election - Latest Political National Polls
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    Paul Ryan: Just Another Neocon

    August 17, 2012 by Sam Rolley

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    Republican presumptive Vice Presidential nominee Paul Ryan seems to be becoming a superhero of the GOP as mainstream “conservatives” are smitten to the point of drool-inducing stupor.

    And it makes sense. Before the Wisconsin Representative — known as a “budget hawk” and “policy mastermind” — came dashing into the frame, Republican voters’ strongest inclination to cast a ballot for Mitt Romney, the party’s presumptive Presidential nominee, was because his name isn’t Barack Obama.

    For the well-informed among conservatives, the mental anguish of having to lie to themselves about Romney being the man who is going to undo or reverse the rapid American march “Forward.” unto an even more massive Federal apparatus and complete socialism is unimaginable. And, to be honest, they are not the conservatives they believe themselves to be.

    “Moderates,” “hopeless reactionaries” and “ignorant” are all terms that come to mind in describing those who would allow themselves to believe Romney will in any way be restorative to American liberty, but “truly conservative” certainly does not.

    Those who proclaim a love for liberty, small government and strict adherence to the Constitution know that Obama has no similar passions, but they also know that Romney lacks the same passions as well.

    On the rights of sportsmen and of Americans to be able to defend themselves, there’s that pesky problem about Romney’s penchant for hunting “small varmints.” He has a dodgy gun control record, has claimed to own firearms that he didn’t in an effort to score an endorsement from the National Rifle Association and passed what The Associated Press referred to as “one of the toughest assault weapons laws in the country” when he was Governor of Massachusetts.

    But he isn’t a guy named Obama with a questionable 2nd Amendment record.

    Romney has faced a constant thorn in his side because he created the basis for the big government health law known as Obamacare during his time as Governor. He recently cited the value of Israel’s individual mandate healthcare plan.

    But he isn’t a guy named Obama with an admiration for socialized medicine.

    Those worried about the increasingly brazen and tyrannical nature of government spying and police state violations of Constitutional rights can find little solace in Romney’s history. During his tenure as Governor of Massachusetts, Romney issued executive orders to set up two of the Nation’s first fusion centers — the intelligence hubs where vast amounts of Americans’ personal data are analyzed, stored and shared by law enforcement agencies.

    The similarities between Romney and Obama far trump the dissimilarity of their names. But, hey, at least the socialized, unConstitutional, disarmed, plutocratic Nation will not be under the leadership of a big government liar named Obama if the GOP comes out on top. It will be a big government liar named Romney steering the ship toward total tyranny.

    The Romney ticket is no accident. Beyond shouting about conservative social issues, the Republican Party is no more “conservative” than the Democratic. The Democratic and Republican parties are both bought and paid for by the same corporate interests and work in unison to achieve the same goal of enslaving the American populace to an endless cycle of debt, consumption and war for profit. Romney and Obama may as well be the same man, simply a figurative representation of choice to cloak America’s plutocratic political system.

    Of course, the GOP has suffered some consequences by foisting such an Obama-like candidate and expecting their diehards to swallow hard and march on. The party has been met with force by a large contingent of conservatives who refuse to throw conviction aside and support Romney;

    many of them were Ron Paul supporters, and others are just tired of the lies. These people have not been quiet in their dissidence, and with each shout risk pulling another rank-and-file Republican out of his “well, he isn’t Obama” stupor. As much criticism as the GOP leadership deserves for whoring itself to special interests and lying about having any concern for a Constitutional America, they should get credit for an act of brilliant political manipulation to ensure the proclamations of these dissenters fall on deaf ears.

    Enter Ryan, who will go down in history as the most libertarian-looking neocon to have ever walked the halls of Congress.

    He’s fostered the image of a budget-slashing maniac, bent on reducing government spending by any means possible.

    Republican rank-and-files have been drooling over Ryan since he introduced his House-approved budget plan which seeks to avoid tax hikes and cuts in military spending while simultaneously putting bloated entitlement spending programs on the chopping block. The infatuation with Ryan’s plan to “stop spending money the government doesn’t have” is less for the few free-market ideas presented therein and more for the fact that liberals have been freaking out about provisions that call for a restructuring of Medicare.

    If liberals are enraged, however, Ryan’s plan had to be a creation of pure small government genius, right? Actually, no. Ryan’s plan is actually only marginally better than the budget Obama presented. The President wants to spend $3.8 trillion in fiscal year 2013 and foresees spending $5.8 trillion in fiscal year 2022. Obama believes that Federal spending would amount to 22.5 percent of gross domestic product, while revenues would average 19.2 percent of GDP.

    Ryan, on the other hand, would spend $3.5 trillion in 2013 and $4.9 trillion in 2022. Spending as an average of GDP would average 20 percent of GDP, and revenue would amount to 18.3 percent. Ryan’s plan is essentially more of the same; it grows government spending and fails to cut anything of substance. But at least it freaked out liberals.

    The reason Ryan’s plan could not possibly begin to meaningfully reduce government spending is directly related to his neocon ideals.

    He is a supporter of the same illegal military operations carried out under both the George W. Bush and Obama Administrations. He voted to add a trillion dollars or so to the Federal debt burden by borrowing to fund the failed wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    After begging other lawmakers to follow suit — seriously, begging – Ryan voted “yes” to the Troubled Assets Relief Program (TARP) and “yes” to a $15 billion bailout for General Motors Co. and Chrysler to support crony capitalism and failed business practices. He also voted “yes” on an economic stimulus bill in 2008 and in favor of further economic stimulus to the tune of $192 billion in 2009.

    He has sought to portray himself as dedicated to slashing government handouts to non-producers.

    During the Bush Administration, Ryan voted “yes” for the massive healthcare entitlement called the limited prescription drug benefit for Medicare recipients; that came with unfunded future costs of more than $7 trillion.

    In 2006, Ryan voted to distribute $70 million in taxpayer money in the form of section 8 housing vouchers.

    In 2008, Ryan voted “yes” on an unemployment benefit extension from 39 weeks to 59 weeks.

    He claims he is a conservative who wants the Federal government to step back and allow Americans to enjoy freedoms granted in the Constitution.
    If anything about Ryan is scary, it is his support of big-government nannyism.

    He apparently rejects the idea that American parents and teachers should play a bigger role in children’s education than Federal bureaucrats, as he voted “yes” to No Child Left Behind during Bush’s Presidency.

    Ryan also shares the belief of the Bush Administration and Obama that Americans deserve no right to privacy from the watchful eye of the Big Brother Department of Homeland Security. He voted to extend Patriot Act wiretapping and make it permanent. He voted against requiring warrants for domestic wiretapping and in favor of eliminating warrants on all electronic surveillance. He also voted in favor of the Internet spy bill, the Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act.

    Ryan voted “yes” on the National Defense Authorization Act and against repealing its provision allowing the indefinite detention of Americans.
    Ryan is opposed to any budget cuts in defense spending or to the national surveillance apparatus.

    It isn’t surprising that Ryan claims he is a real conservative, even though his record reeks of Bush/Cheney neocon values that do nothing for liberty. Perhaps a quote from Libertarian superhero Ayn Rand — whom Ryan claimed to admire for many years, and bizarrely denounced recently — best describes why he is portrayed as a conservative.

    In Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal Ryan’s former favorite Russian-born atheist writes:

    The basic and crucial political issue of our age is: capitalism versus socialism, or freedom versus statism. For decades, this issue has been silenced, suppressed, evaded, and hidden under the foggy, undefined rubber-terms of “conservatism” and “liberalism” which had lost their original meaning and could be stretched to mean all things to all men.
    Ryan is energizing conservative voters who have, to this point, had no faith in their candidate beyond his not-Obama name. But the Vice Presidential pick’s talents aren’t really in cutting budgets and manipulating policy in the best interest of liberty, as many conservative voters have been led to believe. His greatest talent is the same as any other politician that has been in the White House during the past several decades: using foggy, undefined, rubber terms to make the American populace believe that there is an option beyond plutocratic tyranny in the two-party political system.

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    New Voter Registrations! Number of Independents Breaking Records

    Submitted by Queen of Liberty on Fri, 08/17/2012 - 19:03

    This is for swing states. Meanwhile, number registering democrat has dropped by almost a million.

    Number of GOP has decreased by 79,000.

    Independents increased around 450,000. I saw this on Fox this morning. Supposedly alot of people have not left the parties but have kicked the bucket. Otherwise they would have had to actually go down and switch thier affiliation.

    http://reason.com/24-7/2012/08/16/dems-gop-losing-voters-whi...


    New Voter Registrations! Number of Independents Breaking Records | Peace . Gold . Liberty | Revolution


    Been Warning and warning about this; the Republican Party is going to lose MILLIONS and MILLIONS of Young Voters because of what the RNC and GOP did to Ron Paul... this will happen after the convention... thats what they are waiting for.. the Democrats are feeling the pain now; the GOP.. you got a slight delay

    if its not Ron Paul... forget about it

    you just have NO Idea of the slaughter at the polls that is going to happen

    Forget about POTUS

    Forget about taking the Senate

    PRAY oh lord Pray we hold onto the House
    Last edited by AirborneSapper7; 08-17-2012 at 10:07 PM.
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