Thread: Anti-Amnesty Christians Are Like Those Who Supported Slavery

From NumberUsa.com this is so interesting since these same folks are the ones who want the SLAVE Labor aka LOW WAGES...and are encouraging this to begin with....they don't want e-verify, they want illegals made legal...should I continue!!!!!!

quoted from the story below """""This religious idea basically is that foreigners who can get a job in the U.S. should be allowed to become an immigrant and eventually a citizen. This, by the way, is the idea of Steve Forbes, too. Globalize the U.S. labor market so that anybody in the world can come in to compete for a job with U.S. citizens -- that's the idea. """""





Anti-Amnesty Christians Are Like Those Who Supported Slavery & Segregation? Religious Leaders Say Amnesty Morally Necessary



By Roy Beck, Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 6:20 PM EDT - posted on NumbersUSA

A Brookings Institute conference today about the near unanimity of the nation's religious leaders in favor of amnesty and more foreign workers cast the debate in stark moral absolutes.

The Christian leaders repeatedly compared the fight for legalization of illegal aliens to the battles against slavery and segregation and pledged to convert and mobilize their members in the pews to force a vote on "comprehensive immigration reform."

ARIZONA THE NEW SELMA?

Arizona has become this generation's Selma.

-- Jim Wallis, head of the evangelical Sojourners movement

Wallis was referring to the brutal attempts of police and government in Selma, Alabama in the 1960s to stop civil rights marchers from trying to end racial segregation.

This has become a common theme as top leaders of the Southern Baptists, Lutherans, Jews, Methodists, Assemblies of God, Catholics, Presbyterians and the broad independent evangelical community have locked arms in a march for massive increases in immigration and foreign labor importation into the United States.

To Wallis and many others, the overwhelming majority of Christians who, polls show, support Arizona's recent law cracking down on immigration are the equivalent of the minority of Americans who supported racist, cruel laws that denied Black Americans many of their most basic rights as U.S. citizens. To these Christian leaders, a foreign national who breaks our immigration laws immediately becomes a victim of an oppressive U.S. system and is entitled to all the rights and privileges of a native-born citizen or naturalized immigrant.

Rev. Sam Rodriguez, head of the nation's largest coalition of Hispanic clergy, compared himself and the other pro-amnesty religious leaders to two of recent history's great Christian champions against inhumanity:

We are committed to oppose xenophobia and nativism (as we speak) in the voice of Martin Luther King and William Wilberforce.

-- Rev. Sam Rodriguez, president of the National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference

Wilberforce was the great evangelical and member of British Parliament who spent his career eventually ending the British slave trade.

GIDDY OVER AMNESTY SUPPORT BY SOUTHERN BAPTIST & EVANGELICAL LEADERS

Catholic and liberal Protestant leaders have become almost giddy about the fact that they are now joined by top leaders of the nation's powerful and growing evangelical community and of the largest Protestant denomination, the Southern Baptist Convention.

Just last week, eight of them met with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and with White House staff calling on them to not give up on "comprehensive immigration reform" but to bring the amnesty to a vote this year.

The Rev. Richard Land, head of the Southern Baptists' national public policy commission, described his vision of a moral outcome by insisting that borders first be totally secured and then:

We move forward with a period of grace, where people can come forward and register and begin a pathway . . . (to) earned, legal status."

-- Rev. Richard Land, national Southern Baptist leader, quoted by Baptist Press

Rev. Land is vehement that it is not an amnesty to give permanent legal residency and permanent work permits to foreigners who broke immigration laws to illegally reside in this country and to illegally hold a job. Asked if illegal aliens have committed a crime, he responded:

Most of the people in my constituency (Southern Baptists) would say, 'Yes, they've broken the law, and there need to be penalties for that.' The question is: What are the panalties? And we would argue that there needs to be an earned pathway to legal status that would include paying a fine, agreeing to come forward and register and undergo a background check, and to start taking English classes."

-- Rev. Richard Land, national Southern Baptist leader, quoted by Baptist Press

To Rev. Rodriguez, making illegal aliens go home would be cruel and unusual punishment. The punishment for breaking immigration laws should be a fine:

Mass deportations are not the answer. The punishment should fit the crime.

-- Rev. Rodriguez, national evangelical Hispanic leader

Remember the late Jerry Falwell of Liberty University? Remember how he was often considered a leader of the most right-wing part of the Christian community? Well, Matthew Staver from Liberty University's Law School was one of the leaders imploring Nancy Pelosi to bring the amnesty up for a vote this year.

What does Staver think about making immigration lawbreakers go home?

Not only is it not practical, it's not moral. And I don't believe that's biblical either."

-- Matthew Staver of Jerry Falwell's Liberty University, quoted by Baptist Press

UNPRECEDENTED UNITY AMONG RELIGIOUS LEADERS FOR A SOCIAL CHANGE

Perhaps never in U.S. history has the leadership of nearly all faith groups united behind a single major social change -- until the current near unanimity in favor of comprehensive immigration reform (amnesty for illegal aliens and increases in future foreign labor), speakers at Brookings indicated.

And I can't think of another case like this myself.

Here's what Brookings had to say about it:

Religious leaders have demonstrated a remarkable degree of unity across theological, denominational, and ideological lines for comprehensive immigration reform.

Religious groups have organized marches, prayer vigils and postcard campaigns to pressure the U.S. Congress to take up immigration reform.

Largely because of the activism of these religious groups, immigration has remained on a legislative agenda crowded with other pressing domestic concerns.

-- Brookings Institute

Despite the general attitude of politicians in Congress and the White House that passing an amnesty is not possible this election year, the religious leaders pledged to do all they can to break the stalemate and force a vote.

If anybody can do this, it will be a bi-partisan effort by the faith community.

-- Rev. Wallis

NOT FOR OPEN BORDERS . . . BUT NOT REALLY FOR ANY ENFORCEMENT OR LIMITS EITHER

Katharine Jefferts Schori, the Presiding Bishop of the nation's Episcopal Churches, was challenged about how religious leaders' opposition to the nation's immigration laws could appeal to their constituents who, polls show, are very much committed to concepts of rule of law,

The role of the prophetic tradition is to challenge laws and structures that appear to be unjust. . . . We are meant to see every human being as our neighbor.

-- Katharine Jefferts Schori, Presiding Bishop, Episcopal Church

The implication seemed to be that neighbors don't let neighbors get punished for breaking immigration laws.

All the leaders insisted that they don't believe in open borders. But every form of enforcement that was mentioned was opposed by the Brookings religious leaders.

Even the greatly reduced enforcement level under the Obama Administration is unacceptable:

Yes, it is time for Christian disobedience (against the enforcement of immigration laws).

-- Rev. Wallis

What they mean by NOT open borders is that they would definitely stop people who arrived carrying a bomb. But if they arrived at the border with a letter from a U.S. employer promising a job, they should be let in, without limit apparently.

We are trying to replace illegal behavior with legal avenues. If you provide legal visas, the Border Patrol will go after criminal elements. . . . Part of the solution is to create a system where everybody is legal and on the same playing field.

-- Kevin Appleby, spokeman for the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops

This religious idea basically is that foreigners who can get a job in the U.S. should be allowed to become an immigrant and eventually a citizen. This, by the way, is the idea of Steve Forbes, too. Globalize the U.S. labor market so that anybody in the world can come in to compete for a job with U.S. citizens -- that's the idea.

Appleby did say that the system should be set up so that U.S. citizens get first crack at a job. But I've never heard a pro-amnesty religious leader ever describe how that would happen.

The problem, agreed Bishop Schori, is that we just don't provide enough green cards to foreign workers:

We encourage people to come here from an economic perspective but we don't provide them the means to come legally.

-- Katharine Jefferts Schori, Presiding Bishop, Episcopal Church

DISTORTING ARIZONA LAW FOR RHETORICAL ADVANTAGE

One thing that was pretty apparent to me today is that the religious leaders are far more radical than almost any of the Democrats in Congress in their opposition to real enforcement and to any real limits on immigration.

The religious leaders gave a sort of comic book description of the Arizona law.

The Presiding Episcopal Bishop indicated that some of her underling bishops will be fearful of being threatened by Arizona police:

Our bishops will meet in September in Arizona. It has been planned a few years. We will express solidarity with the Latino community. A number of our bishops are temporary sojourners themselves. Members of our group will be at some hazard at having to present identification themselves while there.

-- Katharine Jefferts Schori, Presiding Bishop, Episcopal Church

Rev. Wallis repeated as truth the rumor that the Arizona law will make criminals out of church workers who provide food, clothing and other material help to illegal aliens.

JUST HOW EVIL DO THEIR LEADERS THINK THE CHRISTIANS IN THE PEWS ARE?

The Brookings speakers were challenged a little about just how much influence the religious leaders have when polls show such largescale support of the their membership for the Arizona law.

We do need to do a better job reaching those middle classes who aren't sure and need an answer to their question, 'What part of illegal don't you understand.'

-- Kevin Appleby, spokesman of U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops

The reality is when people are threatened they do ugly things and that is what is happening in Arizona.

-- Katharine Jefferts Schori, Presiding Bishop, Episcopal Church

A similar question is how could Christians in this nation have supported slavery and segregation so long?

There is a disconnect between pulpit and pew. The majority of faith leaders support comprehensive immigration reform. But the pew is still disconnected. Pews still listen to cable news. We have some work to do.

-- Rev. Sam Rodriguez, Board of Directors, National Association of Evangelicals

In the end, national religious leaders from every part of the theological spectrum have paraded through Washington in the last few weeks both claiming that they speak for the majority of their faith groups' members and also that too many of their members are part of the evil thread in America that protected slavery, that protected segregation and that now protects enforcement of immigration laws.

Not a word from the religious leaders today about the 25 million Americans who want a full-time job and can't find one. You would never know listening to the national religious leaders that anybody other than illegal aliens are "the least of these" that Jesus admonished his followers to care for. You would never know that there is a giant Black and Hispanic American underclass that competes directly for jobs and services with the illegal population.

LOOK OUT -- PRO-AMNESTY SERMONS ARE COMING YOUR WAY

My sense listening to the leaders today is that they are cornucopians -- Christian utopians who can't be bothered with any concept of limits, of rationing or of the need to prioritize anything. Their idea is that one can show mercy to millions of illegal aliens and not commit injustice against millions of America's most vulnerable and poor.

For all their bravura about forcing an amnesty vote in Congress, they sound disappointed that more of their members aren't following them. A Ford Foundation-supported poll found that only one out of four Christians has heard immigration preached from the pulpit.

It sounds like the pro-amnesty champions hope to persuade a lot more preachers to do their job and convince the people in the pews that they'd better start pushing amnesty or risk being lumped in with segregationists and slave owners.

ROY BECK is Founder & CEO of NumbersUSA (and lifelong churchgoer)

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Kathyet

It may be OK for Religous groups to love and care for all humans including Illegal Immigrants. However,I have a real problem when these groups work to effect/destroy our countries Immigration laws.

They need to either stay out of USA Politics or lose their Tax Exempt standing.

What these church leaders are doing is actually promoting slave labor.

The illegals are used up and thrown aside for newer, stronger, harder working and cheaper illegals.

The desire to fill their pews is short sighted. Their parishioners will soon become needier and needier, instead of supporting the churches the churches will have to support them.

These illegals have no insurance, no job security, no worker's comp, indecent wages - all the gains our middle class has made have eroded.

They are contributing to an entire generation of serfs.

As a Christian The church needs to stay the heck out of it. The church needs to deal with souls and stay out of politics.

Originally Posted by LuvMyCountry

As a Christian The church needs to stay the heck out of it. The church needs to deal with souls and stay out of politics.

Maybe they should start with their own souls first ......like that will happen they only care about the """"BOTTOM LINE"""

Kathyet

I am so tired of someone who willfully breaks a nation's laws to sneak into it, lie, cheat, and steal their way around being compared to someone being caught, shipped like livestock, beaten into compliance, and given little to no freedom of movement, love, or family.

Slave was not a state of choice, illegal immigrant is. The illegal immigrant puts as much effort into entering that condition as many slaves put into exiting their condition.

There is NO parallel to be logically drawn between the illegal immigrant of today and the slaves of America's past.

As for the involvement of churches in this... well, if they become political they set themselves up for loss of tax exempt, I agree, and some areas are already going after taxing church properties not actively used in worship services, I suspect in an effort to test the water on taxing churches in general.

Originally Posted by orchid_noir

As for the involvement of churches in this... well, if they become political they set themselves up for loss of tax exempt, I agree, and some areas are already going after taxing church properties not actively used in worship services, I suspect in an effort to test the water on taxing churches in general.

In my local Neighborhood a So. Baptist Church is buying every property adjoining or near their Church. So far they have amassed THREE MILLION Dollars in property yet pay NO Tax.

While they enjoy their tax exempt status the rest of us FL. Homeowners must pay HUGH Taxes which,among other things,pays for IA's children to go to our schools,etc..

"There is NO parallel to be logically drawn between the illegal immigrant of today and the slaves of America's past. "

I agree! Absolutely NO PARALLEL. The slaves went through HELL and the illegals make their own problems.

Only if you believe in absolutely no borders and no countries then this make some sense. Of course if that actually occurs our new masters may not appreciate freedom of religion so much.

Let's try and remember it is those in power that can change every bit of what is going on and make it right overnight. They won't. They have an agenda. Destroy America. So, it is those in power in this country who are the problem, not the illegals, not the employers, it is the people with the power to enforce our existing immigration laws. THEY are the ones that should be hung out to dry.