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    Ben Carson sets forth a sort of amnestyish sounding immigration plan

    POSTED AT 5:01 PM ON SEPTEMBER 13, 2015 BY JAZZ SHAW

    Ben Carson has been getting a lot more love from the Sunday shows with his now solidified second place status heading into the debates and he was invited to sit down on Face the Nation this morning. Much of the interview was fairly nondescript, but when the host offered him the chance to not only comment on The Donald’s immigration plan but offer one of his own, well… things got a bit interesting. (via Ian Tuttle at National Review)

    But let’s say we get [the borders] sealed, because certainly in a Carson administration that would be done within the first year. You also turn off the spigot that dispenses the goodies, so that people don’t have any incentive to come here. Then those who are here, we have to recognize that we can’t just round them up, but we can give them an opportunity to register. I would give them a six-month period. If they register, and if they have a pristine record, they haven’t been causing problems, I would give them an opportunity to become guest workers — not citizens, not voting people, not people who get goodies. I think that would be a fair way to do it. In terms of them becoming citizens later on down the road if they’ve done things the right way, we the American people will decide what the criteria for that ought to be.

    Let’s go to the video just to make sure that we’re not missing any subtle nuances in his delivery.



    As Tuttle notes in his piece, there are some serious holes in Carson’s logic here, and even if there weren’t he should be aware that this just isn’t going to fly.

    With respect to “cutting off the goodies,” there are a number of “goodies” that are all but impossible to cut off. As I’ve noted, many illegal immigrant households receive welfare benefits through American-born children. There is no realistic way to withhold those entitlements.

    With respect to the illegal immigrant population residing in the U.S., Carson’s plan does seem far more practicable than Trump’s (which, it is worth noting, was not in the immigration plan released by his campaign). But it’s not clear whether Carson’s alternative will be amenable to conservative voters
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    Saying this may not be amenable to conservative voters is probably being more than charitable. But even if you happen to be in favor of what the mainstream typically refers to as “comprehensive immigration reform” there are still massive problems with this approach. First of all, as Tuttle points out, you’re never going to cut off some of the goodies he’s talking about, at least for many illegal immigrants. As to giving everyone six months to “sign up” and essentially come out of the shadows, previous efforts along those lines have failed. Let’s say you get a million of them to sign up. What do you do with the other 11, 12 or 24 million? (Depending who you ask.) There is nothing of substance offered.

    And for the people who “sign up” in whatever this unspecified new program is, you’ve essentially conveyed legitimate guest worker status on them. That’s not a temporary thing… they’re here forever. If you put an expiration date on this tolerant opportunity to work and it comes and goes, are we to assume they would just leave? You’re talking about giving it to people who were flouting the rules already when you came along. They’ll just go back undercover.

    One hates to invoke the dreaded Mitt Romney concept of “self-deportation” but Carson makes no mention to the idea of making life here in the United States as an illegal alien less appealing. Where is the crackdown on employers who hire them? Where is the path to ending sanctuary cities and ramping up immediate deportations or severe criminal penalties for violent offenders in the illegal immigrant community? Where is the citizenship testing for every benefit that can possibly be withheld?

    This just sounds like a barely less than 100% general amnesty plan for those who want to fall into some new classification of “dreamers” and no real plan for what to do with the rest. The “seal the borders” part always sounds good but you need to provide some details as to how you plan to do that. This was not Carson’s finest moment of the campaign and will cost him with the conservative base.

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    These things are very common with medical personnel. Hopefully Trump----and his patently abrasive manner---will continue the upper hand. Carson could be a valuable sidekick, I guess.
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    It is without question, an amnesty plan. Any plan that doesn't include deportation of all illegal aliens is an amnesty plan.
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    If we, as Carson says, "turn off the spigot that dispenses the goodies," i.e. illegals can't get a job, a place to live or any welfare benefits, they will go back home. None of those scare tactic, pro-illegal propaganda "roundups" with images of Nazi-like jackbooted officers going door-to-door and arresting illegals in the middle of the night would be needed. It's called Attrition Through Enforcement. More importantly NO AMNESTY IS NEEDED for the illegals already here!
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    Quote Originally Posted by patbrunz View Post
    If we, as Carson says, "turn off the spigot that dispenses the goodies," i.e. illegals can't get a job, a place to live or any welfare benefits, they will go back home. None of those scare tactic, pro-illegal propaganda "roundups" with images of Nazi-like jackbooted officers going door-to-door and arresting illegals in the middle of the night would be needed. It's called Attrition Through Enforcement. More importantly NO AMNESTY IS NEEDED for the illegals already here!
    State and local law enforcement won't have to pick them up at night, they're on the street corners, in the Walmart, on construction sites, in the emergency rooms, at the utility offices, and the cell phone companies, and on the highways, and in the schools and at the Western Union, and check cashing stores. They're everywhere in the wide open space of everyday life in America. You just pick 'em up, collect the whole family, take them down to detention, verify their status, schedule a deportation hearing and away they go.

    But yes, once enforcement which includes deportations starts, then I believe many will leave on their own opting for the easy way instead of the hard way to depart the country. But many won't, because they're funded by the drug cartels, that's how and why most of them are here to begin with, truth be told.

    And I have no problem at all with raids, it's no worse than what law enforcement does to Americans in the "War on Drugs" every day. Over 1.5 million Americans are arrested every year on non-violent drug charges and few hear about it and most could care less about those middle of the night adventures. By comparison, illegal aliens are causing far worse damage to our nation and citizenry.
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    Of course she is because she is part of the Bush dynasty, Carl Rove, Koch Brothers CROWDED FIELD strategy to back Jeb Bush's chances. That is why Fiorina, Huckabee, Graham, Ben Carson, Rubio, and many others all support the very same GW Bush era illegal alien amnesty plans!

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    I recently heard that Ben Carson is a gun-grabber too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by patbrunz View Post
    I recently heard that Ben Carson is a gun-grabber too.
    Before he was running for President he was a gun-grabber in 2013. Now that he's running for President he's a big believer in the 2nd Amendment. Go. Figure.
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    Fire in the belly is missing in Carson. He says he does not necessarily want the job but if God allows him to have it, he will accept. I respect his respect for God, but that does not reflect what I would expect from one seeking President of the USA. For Dr. Carson, it seems he is in this race for a hobby rather than seeking terrific responsibility vigorously.

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