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    Pols rip rancher's race remarks

    Cliven Bundy tells CNN he is putting meat on the table for America, but his comments on race hand Democrats a weapon to attack Republicans who earlier came to the rancher's defense.FULL STOR

    April 24th, 2014
    12:00 PM ET
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    Politicians denounce Bundy's racist remarks


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    CNN's Ashley Killough and Paul Steinhauser and Leigh Ann CaldwellUpdated 9:29 p.m. ET 4/24/2014

    (CNN) -
    What started out as a standoff over land rights may be turning into a controversy over race.


    Racist comments from Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy - who earlier this month appeared to win a highly publicized standoff against federal authorities over his two-decade long illegal grazing of cattle on public land - are giving Democrats a new weapon to attack some top Republicans who earlier came to Bundy's defense.


    And the controversial comments also call into question moves by Fox News and some other conservative media that highlighted the story and painted Bundy as a hero in his battle against federal authorities.

    Bundy, 67, won his standoff against federal rangers after armed militiamen came to his side. Even with the incident over, Bundy continued to talk to a dwindling crowd of media from his ranch, about 100 miles northeast of Las Vegas.


    The comments that sparked the latest controversy came this weekend when Bundy recalled to supporters about a time he drove by a public-housing project in North Las Vegas, according to a report from The New York Times.


    "I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro," Bundy said, "and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids - and there is always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch - they didn't have nothing to do. They didn't have nothing for their kids to do. They didn't have nothing for their young girls to do.


    "And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?" Bundy continued. "They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I've often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn't get no more freedom. They got less freedom."


    What Cliven Bundy's comments on race reveal


    In a press conference Thursday, Bundy defended and repeated his comments but emphasized he was merely "wondering" whether African-Americans were better off as slaves.


    "And that's a question I put before the world: Are they better, or were they better then? I'm not saying I thought they should be slaves, or I wasn't even saying they was (sic) better off; I'm wondering if they're better off," he said.


    Bundy said he questions whether those living under government subsidies are living as slaves to the state, but denied he held racist views.


    "I might not have a very big word base or vocabulary, I guess, but let me tell you something: When I say slavery, I mean slavery...Slavery is about when you take away choices from people, and where you have forced labor," he said. "You think that's what I'm about, America? If it is, you're sure wrong, because I don't believe in any type of that stuff."


    And Bundy didn't back down in an interview Thursday night with CNN's Bill Weir. He questioned whether blacks are better off now when "they don't have nothing to do with their children, their family unit is ruined (and) I don't think they have the life that they should have."


    "I don't think I'm wrong," he told CNN, insisting that he'd spoken "from my heart." "I think I'm right."


    Asked whether he was any more or less a "welfare queen" as those who get entitlement checks - since his cattle have been feeding off the government, literally, by eating grass on public land - Bundy said, "I might be a welfare queen, but I'll tell you I'm producing something for America and using a resource that nobody else would use or could use."


    He said, "I'm putting red meat on your table. Maybe I'm not doing enough, but I'm trying."


    'Comments are completely beyond the pale'


    Thursday morning, hours after The New York Times story went viral, the Nevada Democratic Party put out a statement saying "These comments are reprehensible, and every Republican politician in the state of Nevada who tried to latch on to Cliven Bundy's newfound celebrity with TEA Partiers and the militia movement should be ashamed of their actions."


    "Every Republican elected official who risked inciting violence to gain political capital out of Cliven Bundy now owes the people of Nevada an apology for their irresponsible behavior of putting their own political future ahead of the safety of Nevadans," added the Nevada Democrats.


    Some top national Republicans quickly condemned the remarks.

    Sen. Rand Paul, who originally supported Bundy's case, issued a statement Thursday morning decrying Bundy's racial comments.

    "His remarks on race are offensive and I wholeheartedly disagree with him," said the Kentucky Republican, who's seriously considering a 2016 presidential run.


    GOP Sen. Dean Heller of Nevada, who earlier called his supporters "patriots", also "completely disagrees with Mr. Bundy's appalling and racist statements, and condemns them in the most strenuous way," according to his spokesperson, Chandler Smith.


    Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus, who had not previously weighed in on the land dispute, said in a statement that "Bundy's comments are completely beyond the pale. Both highly offensive and 100% wrong on race."


    Democrats had already been on the attack against Bundy before his racial comments. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid – Nevada's senior senator - last week blasted Bundy's supporters as "domestic terrorists," saying they were arming themselves with automatic weapons and positioning "snipers in strategic locations."


    One man, former Arizona sheriff Richard Mack told a reporter the militia were considering putting "all the women" on the front lines.

    "If they're going to start shooting, it's going to be women that are going to be televised all across the world getting shot by these rogue federal officers," he said.

    Questions about media coverage


    Some conservative-leaning pundits painted Bundy as an anti-goverment hero. Fox News' Sean Hannity was criticized by liberal media outlets for frequently hosting Bundy on his television program and appearing to defend the rancher.


    Hannity said Thursday on his radio show that Bundy's "comments are beyond repugnant to me."


    "They are beyond despicable to me. They are beyond ignorant to me," he said, adding that his interest in Bundy's case was entirely about government overreach.


    He also chided what he called the liberal media, arguing that they ignore racist comments by Democrats and only focus on Republicans.


    "Every conservative I know does not support racism, period," he said.

    Another Fox News host, Greta Van Susteren, wrote on her blog Thursday morning that she condemns Bundy's comments.

    Others had previously warned fellow conservatives not to get too fired up about the Nevada dispute. Conservative host Glenn Beck said on his show that "10 or 15 percent" of the people who were defending Bundy online were saying things "that are truly frightening."


    "They don't care what the facts are," he said. "They just want a fight."


    Tucker Carlson, founder of the conservative news outlet the Daily Caller, said on Fox that he sympathizes with the Bundys, but "it's important to point out that this land does not belong to them and that's not a minor distinction, it's the essence of private property."


    For his part, Sen. Paul had also cautioned both sides, including Reid, to calm their rhetoric.


    "Let's try to have a peaceful resolution to this," he said last week on Fox News.


    While Republicans are now trying to distance themselves from Bundy, that's not stopping Democrats from going after them for supporting Bundy in the first place. And the Democratic National Committee says the incident is "more evidence of the shallowness of the GOP's outreach efforts."


    "Remember Duck Dynasty star Phil Robertson? His racist comments last December were in the same vein as Bundy's. Yet GOP leaders from Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal, Ted Cruz, Sarah Palin, Lindsey Graham, and others rushed to defend (Robertson's) comments against a liberal assault. Republicans even invited the Duck Dynasty stars as their guests to the State of the Union!," wrote DNC Communications Director Mo Elleithee.


    "And therein lies the GOP's problem. If you ever want to be taken seriously for your outreach efforts, you might want to start by not defending racists," Elleithee added.

    Battle over land rights


    The Bundy standoff is emblematic of the larger anti-government sentiment around the country that has been amplified with the creation of the tea party movement in 2009. But the latest move in a two-decade-long tug of war between Bundy and the federal government is bringing to light the delicate balance that has lasted between citizens in the West and the federal government over the use of federally owned land for generations.


    What made Nevada rancher fight the feds?


    One protester from neighboring Utah, Stephen L. Dean, 45, called the Bureau of Land Management's actions "tyranny in government." And a banner at the protest site blared: "Has the West been won? Or has the fight just begun!"


    In the western states, public lands are a big deal. Almost everyone uses them or depends on them. They are key to people's recreational hiking, fishing, hunting and skiing. And they are critical to people's livelihood, as they are used to cut timber, drill oil, mine coal and ranch cattle.


    Vast swaths of the land in the West are predominately public. In Nevada, for example, 87% of the state is owned by the federal government, and the Bureau of Land Management oversees 245 million acres of public lands mostly west of the Mississippi River, not including the lands overseen by the National Forest Service and half a dozen other federal agencies.


    In Nevada, ranchers depend on the federal lands for their livelihood. The government began allowing the use of the land in 1877 to promote the economic development of dry, difficult-to-cultivate desert areas.

    So it offered land for dirt cheap. Bundy says his family has owned the ranch since about the time the Desert Land Act passed.


    A version of the law still exists today, allowing ranchers to graze their cattle on public lands for a nominal rate. The fee is cheaper than what the rancher would pay the state or a private land owner, but the tradeoff is that the rancher has to share the land with the public.


    After the desert tortoise became a protected species in 1993, the Bureau of Land Management rebuked or phased out the permits of ranchers in the designated area in southern Nevada.


    Bundy is the last remaining rancher, refusing to leave and refusing to pay more than $1 million worth of fines. Bundy lost all efforts at appeal and litigation. In an effort to enforce the law, the BLM attempted to round up Bundy's cattle and was met with a clan of armed defenders, leading to the current stalemate between the government and Bundy.


    The Nevada Democrat had already been on the attack against Bundy before his racial comments. Last week the state's senior senator blasted Bundy's supporters as "domestic terrorists," saying they were arming themselves with automatic weapons and positioning "snipers in strategic locations."

    Another Fox News host, Greta Van Susteren, wrote on her blog Thursday morning that she condemns Bundy's comments.


    Tucker Carlson, founder of the conservative news outlet the Daily Caller, said on Fox that he sympathizes with the Bundys, but "it's important to point out that this land does not belong to them and that's not a minor distinction, it's the essence of private property."


    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/04/24/politicians-denounce-bundys-racist-remarks/?hpt=hp_t1

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    Sadly political correctness trumps all in the mind of the press, a savvy liberal reporter can make anyone unfamiliar to a interview appear a fool. So we go from land rights/management to racism, wow, would never see that coming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldguy View Post
    Sadly political correctness trumps all in the mind of the press, a savvy liberal reporter can make anyone unfamiliar to a interview appear a fool. So we go from land rights/management to racism, wow, would never see that coming.
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    David Horowitz (a Jew) once said that we are now living in an era of racial McCarthyism, wherein it is impossible to have any frank honest discussions about racial issues.

    Glen Beck and Sean Hannity and other faux “conservatives”have been tripping all over their tongues passionately denouncing Clive Bundy because of his presumed racists statements. Did Mr. Bundy call blacks stupid? No, he did not. Did he say that the country should bring back slavery? No, he did not. Did he say that Blacks should be denied the right to vote? No, he did not. Did he condemn interracial marriages or friendships? No, he did not. Did he say Blacks should not be allowed toown a business? No he did not. Did he say Blacks should not be allowed to hold political offices? No he did not. Did he say blacks should go back to Africa? No, he did not. Did he yell Heil Hitler? No, he did not. So what has Bundy said that is so racists? Good question. From the quotations I have seen, Mr. Bundy was stating his observation about the corrosive effects government welfare has on the human spirit, how it destroys lives. In a radio interview about the New York Times quotations of him, he kept repeating that he was “wondering”about what he had seen. Dear gutless faux conservatives, “wondering” does not qualify as racial denigration. “Wondering” is a question, not a declarative sentence. The left has been putting all kinds of words in Bundy’s mouth.

    Walter Williams, a black professor of economics at George Mason University has stated, “The welfare state has done to black Americans what slavery couldn’t do, what Jim Crow couldn’t do, what the harshest racism couldn’t do, and that is to destroy the black family.” (Wall Street Journal “Opinion” section, 22 Jan 2011). Gee that sounds almost exactly like Cliven Bunty’s inarticulate statements about Blacks and slavery. And now for making statements like Walter Williams’, he is being denounced as a racists by faux conservatives and Marxists alike. Does that mean that Walter Williams should be denounced as a “self hating Black man?” I have heard Black conservatives make many similar comparison of welfare socialism and the corrosive effect it has on the human spirit and Blacks’ self respect. I have seen no statements by Cliven Bundy that are overtly racists.

    The real scandal here is how supposed conservative spokesmen crapped in their pants and ran out to denounce Cliven Bundy based on unproven accusations. This is exactly why conservatives are loosing. By fabricating faux scandals the political left has a veto over what conservatives are allowed to say and whom they are allowed to support. You can not win a war for freedom that way. The crisis of conservatism is its almost total lack of competent leaders. Conservatives have no Sam Adams, no George Washingtons, no Barry Goldwaters. None of the big names in present day constructivism are real leaders – just over paid celebrities.

    When gutless conservative leaders throw Bundy “under the buss” they are facilitating and empowering left’s war against us. They are validating Marxists’ smears as if they were the truth and become accessories to the hard lefts’ destroying good men by character assentation.

    Shame on you, Rand Paul, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck. You have just made it very difficult for me to support any of you. Just shut your damn mouths and go get a job at the Hoffington Post.
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    The only issue liberals and their left wing buddies in the media can win on is race from now to election anyone that speaks who is conservative will like magic become a racist.
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    Personally, I think Bundy should have stuck to the issues that put him in the news. Talk about opening mouth and inserting foot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MW View Post
    Personally, I think Bundy should have stuck to the issues that put him in the news. Talk about opening mouth and inserting foot.
    You nailed it, an unprepared person should never speak on camera, I include myself in that group, I doubt 90% of the public could deal with a news media person who is skilled at questioning. Sarah Palin was tricked because she was not ready for the press, again, our society is not what you do but what you say and that is one of the reasons we are failing.
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