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11-12-2007, 04:29 AM #11
will these fences actually work? what's to stop the invaders from digging tunnels under or climbing over them?
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11-12-2007, 04:38 AM #12
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We need the fence because there are too many communities who have under the table operations, Mexican, American, etc... Prosecuting the employers will be significant as well as long as we do not have someone like Bush in the White House, Neocons will not prosecute employers who hire illegals! Neocons will only say anything about illegals when election time comes around then they mysteriously drop it!
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11-12-2007, 08:31 AM #13Originally Posted by sturmrugerJoin our efforts to Secure America's Borders and End Illegal Immigration by Joining ALIPAC's E-Mail Alerts network (CLICK HERE)
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11-12-2007, 09:30 AM #14Originally Posted by MW
Lets face it, after the last Republican Debate the last guy the OBL Lobby wants to see nominated is Duncan Hunter because he will put an end to all this BS. If we can get this guy into the whitehouse, we win, its that simple.“In questions of power…let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.” –Thomas Jefferson
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11-12-2007, 10:25 AM #15Originally Posted by SicNTiredInSoCal
Ghouliani is the last guy you want in office, this guy wanted to lock up homeless people, was divorced 3 times, his own kids want nothing to do with him, and thats just for starters, something is very wrong with this man.“In questions of power…let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.” –Thomas Jefferson
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11-12-2007, 12:43 PM #16something is very wrong with this man.Join our efforts to Secure America's Borders and End Illegal Immigration by Joining ALIPAC's E-Mail Alerts network (CLICK HERE)
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11-12-2007, 12:51 PM #17Yeah, I've heard more than once he's a cross dresser too.
Oops, that's Guliani on the right (really)!"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" ** Edmund Burke**
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11-12-2007, 12:55 PM #18
How does he define the terms "fence" and "finished" ??
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11-12-2007, 12:57 PM #19
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I know nothing about Guiliani's private life - but I do think he is just 'one of the boys'. It think he might just be the 'annointed one' and we do not want another one.
We have to go outside the mainstream if we are going to get anything done.
If built next week, the fence would do little until we have strong interior enforcement.
By 2009, this government will have been able to 'make citizens' of the 20M+ who are here already - then allow them to 'reunify' with their family members. That's the goal.
Also, under one of the temp visa programs, one company I know brought in 100's of families to work for them. Many, many of these people are not uneducated chicken pluckers. They are highly educated, upper middle class people. I have seen them, I have interacted with them. They brought spouses and older children with them. Those spouses and older children are taking jobs that Americans need - but they are bilingual. That's something our children are not - and most won't be when they graduate from high school.
I did read that this visa can be parlayed into 'permanent status' here. I didn't know that and still don't, but think about the ramifications if it is.
So, while they have us focused on the fence, and arguing about how, when and where - they are finding ways around the immigration laws for the millions here already - the many they have brought in 'legally'.
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11-12-2007, 02:04 PM #20
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If built next week, the fence would do little until we have strong interior enforcement.
Times have changed, and we need to adjust to those changes. 50 years ago a person could feel relatively safe leaving their door unlocked. How many of us would dream of that today? Sure as heck not me! Not only do I lock my doors and windows, I sleep with a 9mm in a lockbox under my bed. My point is, we have to adapt to not only a changing nation, but also a changing world. With terrorism becoming a global issue and smuggling increasing, it's time to lock down the border, regardless of the illegal immigrant issue.
No, a fence will not stop absolutely everyone from entering, however, it will act as a deterrent. Furthermore, it will act to funnel crossers into more open areas where they'll be easier spotted and apprehended. I strongly believe a QUALITY border fence will greatly enhance our national security!
Note: A quality border fence will include cameras, adequate lighting, high-speed road between two layers of fencing, and sensors. Hmmm.....I just described Duncan Hunter's fence - the one that was written into law. Furthermore, for the fence to be effective it must be properly maintained and patrolled."The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" ** Edmund Burke**
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