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    Drudge Report: SHOCK POLL: 1 in 4 Americans open to seceding from USA...

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    Exclusive: Angry with Washington, 1 in 4 Americans open to secession
    BOSTON (Reuters) - The failed Scottish vote to pull out from the United Kingdom stirred secessionist hopes for some in the United States, where almost a quarter...
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    Exclusive: Angry with Washington, 1 in 4 Americans open to secession

    By Scott Malone
    BOSTON Fri Sep 19, 2014 1:52pm EDT
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    A girl holds a U.S. flag next to a sculpture after a naturalization ceremony in New York July 22, 2014.
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    BOSTON (Reuters) - The failed Scottish vote to pull out from the United Kingdom stirred secessionist hopes for some in the United States, where almost a quarter of people are open to their states leaving the union, a new Reuters/Ipsos poll found.
    Some 23.9 percent of Americans polled from Aug. 23 through Sept. 16 said they strongly supported or tended to support the idea of their state breaking away, while 53.3 percent of the 8,952 respondents strongly opposed or tended to oppose the notion.
    The urge to sever ties with Washington cuts across party lines and regions, though Republicans and residents of rural Western states are generally warmer to the idea than Democrats and Northeasterners, according to the poll.
    Anger with President Barack Obama's handling of issues ranging from healthcare reform to the rise of Islamic State militants drives some of the feeling, with Republican respondents citing dissatisfaction with his administration as coloring their thinking.
    But others said long-running Washington gridlock had prompted them to wonder if their states would be better off striking out on their own, a move no U.S. state has tried in the 150 years since the bloody Civil War that led to the end of slavery in the South.
    "I don't think it makes a whole lot of difference anymore which political party is running things. Nothing gets done," said Roy Gustafson, 61, of Camden, South Carolina, who lives on disability payments. "The state would be better off handling things on its own."
    Scottish unionists won by a wider-than-expected 10-percentage-point margin.
    Falling public approval of the Obama administration, attention to the Scottish vote and the success of activists who accuse the U.S. government of overstepping its authority - such as the self-proclaimed militia members who flocked to Nevada's Bundy ranch earlier this year during a standoff over grazing rights - is driving up interest in secession, experts said.
    "It seems to have heated up, especially since the election of President Obama," said Mordecai Lee, a professor of governmental affairs at the University of Wisconsin at Milwaukee, who has studied secessionist movements.
    'OBAMACARE' A FACTOR
    Republicans were more inclined to support the idea, with 29.7 percent favoring it compared with 21 percent of Democrats.
    Brittany Royal, a 31-year-old nurse from Wilkesboro, North Carolina, said anger over the "Obamacare" healthcare reform law made her wonder if her state would be better off on its own.
    "That has really hurt a lot of people here, myself included. My insurance went from $40 a week for a family of four up to over $600 a month for a family of four," said Royal, a Republican. "The North Carolina government itself is sustainable. Governor (Pat) McCrory, I think he has a better healthcare plan than President Obama."
    By region, the idea was least popular in New England, the cradle of the Revolutionary War, with just 17.4 percent of respondents open to pulling their state out.
    It was most popular in the Southwest, where 34.1 percent of respondents back the idea.
    That region includes Texas, where an activist group is calling the state's legislature to put the secession question on a statewide ballot. One Texan respondent said he was confident his state could get by without the rest of the country.
    "Texas has everything we need. We have the manufacturing, we have the oil, and we don't need them," said Mark Denny, a 59-year-old retiree living outside Dallas on disability payments.
    Denny, a Republican, had cheered on the Scottish independence movement.
    "I have totally, completely lost faith in the federal government, the people running it, whether Republican, Democrat, independent, whatever," he said.
    Even in Texas, some respondents said talk about breaking away was more of a sign of their anger with Washington than evidence of a real desire to go it alone. Democrat Lila Guzman, of Round Rock, said the threat could persuade Washington lawmakers and the White House to listen more closely to average people's concerns.
    "When I say secede, I'm not like (former National Rifle Association president) Charlton Heston with my gun up in the air, 'my cold dead hands.' It's more like – we could do it if we had to," said Guzman, 62. "But the first option is, golly, get it back on the right track. Not all is lost. But there might come a point that we say, 'Hey, y'all, we're dusting our hands and we're moving on.'"
    (Reporting by Scott Malone; Additional reporting by Mimi Dwyer in New York; Editing by Douglas Royalty)

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    Anyone who doesn't want to live in the U.S. is free to pack up and leave any time they want.
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    Poll: Nearly 1 In 4 In America Would Favor Secession

    September 19, 2014 by McClatchy-Tribune


    (MCT) — Nearly 1 out of 4 Americans is so fed up with Washington that they are prepared to not take it anymore and would favor their state breaking away from the rest of the United States.
    According to a Reuters/Ipsos poll released Friday, 23.9 percent of Americans polled from Aug. 23 through Sept. 16 said they strongly supported or tended to support the idea of their state breaking away from the country. About 53 percent of the 8,952 respondents strongly opposed or tended to oppose secession, slightly less than the percentage that kept Scotland in the United Kingdom.
    Support for secession cuts across many lines, the poll found, but the West and Southwest, where the vision of rugged individualism still draws praise, seemed more inclined to back separation than the staid New England area. Younger and poorer folks were more likely to want to run for the exit.
    Politically, conservatives and Republicans seem to like the idea of leaving more than Democrats. Among people who said they identified with the tea party, supporters of secession were actually in the majority, with 53 percent.
    Before you start thinking about flipping around the nation’s motto from E pluribus unum to E unum pluribus, consider that the United States has long been a country having to cope with sectional, emotional, economic, racial and gender splits.
    Hostilities between the North and South grated even as everyone was fighting the British, culminated in the Civil War and, some would argue, continue to simmer. The expansion westward meant expanding the range of disputes between a frontier and the folks back on the East Coast.
    The exact wording of the question was, “Do you support or oppose the idea of your state peacefully withdrawing from the United States of America and the federal government?”
    The poll has a margin of error of 1.2 percentage points.
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    312 Million American Citizens

    1/4 = .25 support secession

    312,000,000 x 0.25= 78,000,000

    = 78 Million support secession

    that's a lot of P.O. people

    3 Percent'ers - 3% = .03 percent fought the British Crown and 25% wants to secede... that's a big deal
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    To JohnDoe2: I assume your comments are directed at those who are for secession. Firstly the South tried to do that 110 years ago and the Northern states used force to stop them. Secondly people in the rural areas are constantly forced to live under laws the big city (U.S. equivalent of banana republics) shove down their throats. Anybody who is familiar with the large urban areas and rural American knows that there is a cultural chasm between the two. E.g. city people like "Rap" babble and Country people like banjos. When was the last time banjo music was popular in New York (shit hole) City? Thirdly the real America is in the "fly over" country. I among the millions of real Americans are tired of being force fed shit because the scum has the numbers. That is why we have a bicameral legislature, the states get two Senators regardless of population and the House gets representatives based on population. The problem is that now even the Senators are elected by the big cities within the states.

    I love America as much as anyone, but prey tell me how are we going to stop the abuse of power coming from Washington DC? The only serious efforts to control illegal immigration is coming from the states. As the Founding Fathers understood, the government closest to the people (local government) are the best representatives of the will of the people.

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    1 In 4 Americans Want Their State To Secede From The US

    Submitted by Tyler Durden on 09/20/2014 - 11:15 With all eyes firmly fixed on Europe's secessionist movements (most notably Scotland and Catalan), the growing tensions in America took a back seat for a moment. But, as Reuters reports, a recent poll found one-in-four Americans want their state to secede from The US with men more secessionist than women and the Southwest most aggrieved. By the evidence of the poll data as well as these anecdotal conversations, the sense of aggrievement is comprehensive, bipartisan, somewhat incoherent, but deeply felt. As Martin Armstrong warns, "Civil unrest is coming to America sooner than you think. This will ignite old feelings of discontent across both religion and race in America."
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    Poll: One In Four Americans Want Their State To Secede http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/09/po...-state-secede/






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    Poll: One In Four Americans Want Their State To Secede

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    According to a survey by Reuters, the drive for independence isn't just exclusive to Scotland: 24 percent of Americans would prefer if their state seceded from the United States.

    When the results are broken down further, there are stark differences. Republicans are far more interested in secession than Democrats, and of those who identify with the tea party, 53 percent support secession.

    Consistently, the poorer you are, the more likely you are to support secession. Income brackets in the $25,000 range come in at 28 percent support, whereas the complete opposite end of the spectrum, $150,000+ a year, is the lowest, at only 19 percent.

    Men are also more likely than women to be supporters, at 26 percent to 22 percent. Regionally, the Southwest is the area of the country most interested in secession at 34 percent, compared to the Far West at 22 percent. New England ranks last place at 19 percent, although even that represents nearly a fifth.

    Perhaps more surprisingly, millennials are interested in secession.

    Combining the categories of "tend to support" and "strongly support" together yields a total figure of 36 percent support for secession, a number far higher than any other age group.

    Phone calls from Reuters revealed that partisanship wasn't on the minds of Americans. Instead, respondents pointed to corruption, a terrible economic recovery, deficits, a lack of jobs, dissatisfaction with the courts, both political parties, the president, Congress, and the entire government in general.

    For them, government is too involved in the bedroom but too disinterested in preventing illegal immigration.

    The sample size so far is 8,600 people with a margin of error of 1.2 percentage points.

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    Secession Cometh to America?

    Submitted by Marc To Market on 09/23/2014 11:39 -0400

    There is much talk about the fragmentation of the international order. The failure of the Doha Round at the WTO, the efforts to make national firewalls are digital information, the decline cross-border movement of capital since 2008, the decline trade, the rise of anti-immigration sentiment all are part of the pessimistic picture painted by some observers.

    The Scottish referendum also underscored how vulnerable the nation-state itself is to the centrifugal forces that have been unleashed. Parts of Spain want to leave. Parts of Italy and Germany have made secessionist noises. Sometimes it appears if it weren't for Brussels, Belgium might have ceased to be a country.

    It turns out the US also may be subject to secessionist sentiment. This Great Graphic is the result of a survey Reuters conducted and Jim Gaines wrote about here. It was an internet-based survey that included about 9000 people. It asked a straightforward question: "Do you support or oppose the idea of your state peacefully withdrawing from the United States of America and the federal government?"



    The results Gaines showed are on a regional basis. If you click here, you will be able to filter the data by state and numerous demographic categories. Gaines reports that Republicans favor their state leaving more than Democrats, the right more than the left-leaning independents, younger rather than older, lower income more than higher income and high school educated more than college educated.

    In aggregate the results showed about a quarter (23.9%) of the respondents answered in the affirmative. This is greater than the support for most of the anti-EU parties in Europe, like the UKIP and AfD. Does this mean that next year, the 150th anniversary of the end of the war for Southern independence (Civil War), investors should be concerned about a new secessionist movement?

    Gaines reports that follow-up conversations with some of the respondents found that the secessionist vote was more a protest vote than a genuine desire to secede. The sense of aggrievement, Gaines found, was comprehensive, bipartisan, and deeply felt, even if somewhat incoherent. It is an expression of disapproval of the direction that the country has moved, or is moving in, rather than a call for independence.

    Some surveys in Europe has found, in a similar vein, that many voters of the anti-EU parties were also expressing disapproval and frustration. In Germany, most recently the AfD won representation in two German state governments on a conservative social agenda, not its anti-EU stance, which it played down, for example.

    The political elites in the US and Europe have their work cut out for them. There may be an economic solution for part of the problem, but it is not just about the pace of growth and historically high level of unemployment in many countries. The issue of disparity of income and wealth means that aggregate measures of economic activity are no longer sufficient proof that more citizens have access to a better life. In many high income countries, the crisis is over the social contract, which has fallen into disrepair, and respected primarily in its breach.


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    Let Catalonia, Crimea, and California Depart in Peace

    Mike Shedlock | Sep 29, 2014

    Catalonia Independence Vote to Proceed on Schedule

    Arthur Mas, president of Catalonia declared today that the vote for independence of that region will go as scheduled on November 9. Spain contends the vote is illegal and vows to stop it.

    El Economista reports Arthur Mas Calls for Vote on Independence of Catalonia.
    President of Catalonia, Artur Mas nationalist, officially called for a vote on the independence of this rich region of Spain for the November 9, challenging the Spanish government began the process to prevent it.

    In a ceremony at the gallery Gothic Palace of the Generalitat, the seat of regional government in Barcelona, Artur Mas, supported by his executive and representatives of other nationalist parties, signed the decree of convocation of this non-binding referendum.

    "This is the way democracies are expressed and political projects are born. Voting it is the responsibility of the Democrats do not circumvent it," then said in a brief speech.

    "Catalonia wants to talk, want to be heard, want to vote," he said Mas, who continues to ask Madrid to allow the query as London did in Scotland, where the "no" won Sept. 18 in a referendum with broad participation.

    The proposal flew like a lead balloon in Madrid. Prime Minister, Mariano Rajoy Initiated a Process to Suspend the Referendum.

    Reflections on Catalonia, Crimea, California

    There is a lot of puffery in Spain given the resolution is nonbinding, unlike the vote for Scottish independence.

    In the US, if California wanted to cede from the union and form its own country, look on the bright side: California independence would be a huge upside for the rest of us.

    Such a referendum, if allowed to stand, would take a lot of socialist votes out of the US House of Representatives. That would be a good thing. Unfortunately, there will never be support in California to cede from the union.

    Crimea Votes Overwhelming to Join Russia

    In Crimea, citizens voted 96.77% for integration of the region into the Russian Federation. Some claim the vote was rigged. Perhaps so, but by how much?

    A Gallup Poll in Crimea following the referendum shows overwhelming support.


    • More than eight in 10 (82.8%) say the referendum reflects most Crimeans’ views.
    • About three-fourths of Crimeans (73.9%) say Crimea’s becoming part of Russia will make life better for themselves and their families, just 5.5% disagree.
    • Crimeans are overwhelmingly likely to view Russia’s role in the crisis as positive (71.3%) rather than negative (8.8%).
    • Outside of Crimea, responses are practically reversed (66.4% see Russia’s role as negative, 15.6% positive).
    • Though Ukrainians outside of Crimea are somewhat ambivalent about the United States’ role in the crisis (39.0% say it has been positive, 27.7% negative, and 21.6% neutral), Crimeans are far more unified in their view that the U.S. has played a negative (76.2%) rather than a positive (2.8%) role.


    Justice was served in Crimea. The people clearly got what they wanted, and they did so in a peaceful, democratic process, undoing a haphazardly pieced together nation that simply did not belong together as configured.

    Who am I (or anyone in Kiev) to question what an overwhelming percentage of the Crimeans want?

    Nonetheless, arrogant outsiders with zero legitimate interest insist "the vote must not stand" and Russia must return Crimea to the Ukraine.

    Instead, I propose, the US ought to consider outcomes like the Crimea vote and the Ukrainian civil war before it goes poking sticks at bears and stirring up geopolitical trouble.

    Reflections on Nation Building

    Nation building by outsiders does not work, ever. Results are especially bad when outside forces haphazardly piece together nations to suit political whims.

    Iraq and Ukraine are proof enough.

    In Iraq, the Kurds want their own nation. The US is against the idea.

    But why shouldn't the Kurds have the right of self-determination?

    I seem to recall at least one great nation got its start that way. Anyone else remember? And isn't the voting booth preferable to war?

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