Thread: Five Serious Truths About Illegal Immigration That GOP Candidates Have To Accept

Written by Kurt Schlichter

Hey, GOP primary losers, you better get out there fast with a real immigration plan, because right now you are losing to Donald Trump and that makes you the epitome of loserdom. But unlike Trump, you should be serious about ending the illegal immigration nightmare. His supporters are. Hell, his opponents are, too. Yet some of you haven’t just flirted with amnesty – Rubio tried yet couldn’t score, but donor class puffball Jeb Bush has gotten to third base with amnesty and is trying to round home.

“Act of love” indeed.

Some of you and the GOP Establishment (yeah, it exists) don’t think illegal aliens are a problem. They are. And the people suffering aren’t yahoos and rubes hatin’ on them brownpeople from Mex-eeee-ko. They are fellow Americans who see their property overrun and stolen, their children murdered by gangbangers or slaughtered by drunk drivers, and their taxes raised to pay for the medical care and schooling of people who shouldn’t be here in the first place.

And when they protest, at best, the establishment ignores their complaints about their country being disrespected and its laws flouted. More often, they get lectured by some sanctimonious, sheltered suit like Jeb about how they need to just shut up and suck it up.

Enter Trump, filling the void the establishment left when it decided that getting cheap stevedores for the Chamber of Commerce’s biggest donors means more than preserving the country and the life real Americans worked for.

Yeah, real Americans. You know, ones who were born here, or came here legally – like my wife. There is nothing immoral about putting the interests of real Americans before that of people who we never asked to come here and who have no right to be here. That’s kind of the purpose of the United States government – to protect American citizens, not somebody who decided to wander in without knocking and help himself to the proverbial six pack in our fridge.

So, GOP candidates, let’s start with five basic winning principles regarding immigration – principles the Democrats expressly reject and which many of you impliedly deny.

Number One: We Americans have an absolute right to decide who does and doesn’t come into our country and the conditions under which they may do so.

Immigrants have no right to be here. None. They may be granted that privilege, if we choose to grant it. And we may take it away, too.

Number Two: If you commit a crime, you get tossed out.

Break our laws and you’re gone. Murder (if we don’t off you), robbery, dope selling, drunk driving, jaywalking. No discussion. No second chance. Out.

Number Three: Build a real wall, across the whole damn border, and guard it.

We must stop the flood, decisively. We must build a real – not virtual – wall and staff it with sufficient border guards. We must end “catch and release.” Instead, it must be “catch and dump back into wherever the hell they came from.” We also eliminate the anchor baby problem if we don’t let the mother ships stay in port.

And no, Mexico is not going to pay for the wall. Of all Trump’s dumb ideas, that’s the most insultingly stupid.

Number Four: Send illegals home by enforcing hiring practices through civil law.

Let’s unleash the power of trial lawyers by granting individual American citizens the right to sue employers who hire illegal aliens under a federal unfair competition law. A lot of people rightly worry about a government police state intruding into private business. So let’s grant our workers the right to sue employers who hire illegals for damages for displacing American citizens from American jobs, and let the attorneys do their thing. And when the illegal aliens’ jobs dry up – because they will overnight – then the illegals will…wait for it…self-deport. Finally, a way to use lawyers for good instead of evil.

Number Five: No pathway to citizenship. Ever.

See, the minimum expectation for an aspiring American citizen is respect for our laws, which an illegal, by definition, does not have. So, no illegal has met the minimum expectation, and none should ever be a citizen. I suppose this serves our interests as conservatives too, since most illegals seem to want to vote for the Democrats and their pro-“Let’s give free stuff to people who didn’t earn it” agenda. So what? I am unclear about the origin of any moral obligation on our part to dilute our voting power by enfranchising political opponents who shouldn’t be here in the first place.

Are these five principles overly harsh? No. This is our country. We don’t care that your own homeland is a socialist hellhole. That’s your problem, and we are not obligated to make it ours, too. Now, if you wish to apply to be a part of America – as millions have – then we are happy to welcome you if your coming here is in our interest. But it’s an act of grace, not obligation. This is our country and our interests come first – just as you put your interests first when you decided to ignore our laws and our borders and sneak in.

Donald Trump has been walking point on immigration, which is hilarious considering this guy’s stance went from “amnesty” to “throw them all out” to “amnesty for the terrific ones” to who-knows-what next week. But because the guy who decided to surf the zeitgeist is a joke doesn’t mean the issue isn’t real – and central to the Republican electorate.

There’s a yuuuuuuuuge upside for the first sane GOP candidate who becomes known for taking a line on illegal aliens that is tough but fair – with the fairness being to the American citizens who have been stuck paying the price in money and blood during decades of elite apathy.

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Donald Trump is no joke, and he's never supported amnesty. What he said was that some "good ones" could come back legally under some type of merit system, that's nice talk for unless you've got a cure for cancer or a fission energy patent to finish up here, you're never coming back.

Originally Posted by Judy

Donald Trump is no joke, and he's never supported amnesty. What he said was that some "good ones" could come back legally under some type of merit system, that's nice talk for unless you've got a cure for cancer or a fission energy patent to finish up here, you're never coming back.

Yes, Trump has supported amnesty. How soon we forget.

http://www.wnd.com/2015/07/immigrati...ks-dump-trump/

Let's be honest and judge Trump for what he says, does, and is, not for what we want him to be. I've yet to see anything about illegals needing a "cure for cancer" to return.

Originally Posted by MW

Yes, Trump has supported amnesty. How soon we forget.

http://www.wnd.com/2015/07/immigrati...ks-dump-trump/

Let's be honest and judge Trump for what he says, does, and is, not for what we want him to be. I've yet to see anything about illegals needing a "cure for cancer" to return.

That was my comment not his, referring to when he was asked what were the "good ones" he might let come back and he replied some of the "ones from university". I don't agree with him on this, but that's what he said in an interview. You know that because it's already been discussed here a couple of weeks ago. I don't agree with Trump on everything, he's Pro-Life, I'm Pro-Choice and women's rights is a huge issue for me and many other voters, as is the FairTax which as yet he's not committed to, I hope he will commit to it, but he hasn't yet, and you know how important I believe that tax legislation is to fixing our economy.

By the way, MW, in reference to the WND article you linked in your comment, who are the "Immigration Hawks" supporting now?

The article:

WND Exclusive
Immigration hawks dump Trump
Groups pushing for fewer aliens turn sour on the Donald
Published: 07/28/2015 at 7:26 PM

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Leo Hohmann is a news editor for WND. He has been a reporter and editor at several suburban newspapers in the Atlanta and Charlotte, North Carolina, areas and also served as managing editor of Triangle Business Journal in Raleigh, North Carolina.

UPDATE: This story was posted at 7:30 p.m. EST on Tuesday. At 8:20 p.m., Numbers USA backed away from its decision to lower its report-card grade for Donald Trump. Numbers USA director Roy Beck explains here why the organization decided to reduce its criticism of Trump from “harmful” to “mixed.”

Two organizations that lobby for less immigration have turned sour on Donald Trump.

Americans for Legal Immigration or ALIPAC has added Trump to its blacklist while Numbers USA has downgraded the real-estate magnate in its candidate rating scorecard.

ALIPAC President William Gheen issued a statement Tuesday saying his organization has added Trump to its list of “amnesty supporting” candidates, alongside Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, Lindsey Graham and Mike Huckabee.

“After coming out strong for a secure border and bringing attention to illegal immigrant crimes against Americans, Donald Trump is now promoting his plan to change America’s existing immigration laws to create a merit system by which illegals currently in America can stay and eventually gain voting rights where they are expected to help Democrats dominate U.S. elections forevermore,” Gheen said.

‘Good ones’ vs. ‘bad ones’

The change of heart came as a result of Trump’s statements last Friday when he visited the U.S.-Mexico border. Trump then fell further out of favor after making comments Monday night to Fox News host Sean Hannity.

“The last thing anyone expected to hear out of Mr. Trump’s mouth last night was a plan that Lindsey Graham or John McCain could probably vote for,” Gheen said of the comments Trump made on Hannity’s program.

Watch clip of interview Hannity had with Trump below:

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2015/07/immigrati...H58dPkbgpMw.99

Trump told Hannity that illegals should be sent back to their home countries and the "bad ones" never get allowed to come back. But the "good ones," those without criminal records, should be allowed back into the U.S. under a new "expedited" process that makes them legal, Trump said.

"This is an old Republican trick we've had a lot of experience with in the past; it's called the 'touch-back provision' or the Pence Plan named after Congressman Mike Pence from Indiana," Gheen said. "Here's the thing, existing American law says illegal immigrants must leave and if they are caught and deported by the government they are prohibited from re-applying for entry but they can appeal that prohibition after 10 years. Congress wisely made this the law, otherwise the estimated 1 billion people on planet earth who want to come to America could just come and apply later.

"Most Americans want to hear that America's laws will be enforced, not make new laws or change the laws to accommodate the law-breakers," he added. "Americans like us want a constitutional government, not a Republican dictator to take over for the Democratic dictator we have in power now. "

Numbers USA also downgrades Trump, upgrades Walker

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GOP Gov. Scott Walker of Wisconsin

GOP Gov. Scott Walker of Wisconsin

Numbers USA, the largest of the organizations supporting lower levels of immigration, downgraded its candidate rating for Trump, also citing Trump's statements during last week's border visit.

Numbers USA grades candidates on three areas: Amnesty for illegals, level of support for reducing legal immigration, and border security enforcement. It then assigns an overall grade. Below is its score for Trump.

HARMFUL -- Amnesty Rating
UNHELPFUL -- Reducing Legal Immigration
GOOD -- Interior Enforcement Rating
C -- Overall Immigration Grade

Numbers USA contrasted Trump's statement at the border with the statements of Scott Walker. Both were in the process of being "boxed in" by unfriendly media and Trump failed the test, according to an article by Numbers USA Executive Director Roy Beck.

Here is how Beck described the contrast based on comments by Trump, Walker and Rick Santorum:

"Donald Trump, Scott Walker and Rick Santorum revealed important things about themselves in high-pressure moments this past week, surrounded by the cameras and tape recorders of national media.

"Trump on national TV and on the Arizona border stumbled and let himself get boxed into saying he would offer amnesty to the illegal aliens who aren't the 'bad ones.' He seemed to be defensive and trying to prove that he isn't hostile to immigrants by also indicating he would like to see legal immigration increased.

"But Walker -- ambushed by an illegal-alien family brought to Iowa to confront him in front of the national press corps -- refused to be intimidated, stood strong and unapologetic about the importance of the rule of law, and declined to concede an amnesty."

Santorum gets kudos for handling PBS interview

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Former Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Penn.

Former Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Penn.

Rick Santorum in an interview on PBS also resisted being trapped into talking about immigration issues within the parameters set by the establishment media.

"Instead, he deftly turned the high-profile TV appearance into an appeal to set immigration policy to benefit workers and poor people," Beck wrote.

Beck said Trump has also failed to weigh in with details on how he would increase border security. So the enigma known as "The Donald" continues to be unpredictable.

"Our Numbers USA Grading Team reviewed all grades and comments of the 21 Presidential Hopefuls at the end of the week and demoted Trump in two categories and lowered his overall grade," Beck wrote.

Grading other candidates

Here are all of the immigration "report cards" handed out by Numbers USA this week based on comments made in the past seven days (those whose grades have not changed are not included):

Ted Cruz: C
Ben Carson: C-
Chris Christie: C-
Mike Huckabee: C-
Martin O'Malley: F-
Rick Santorum: A
Donald Trump: C
Scott Walker: B-

"It was a strange turn of events for Trump who dominated the news all week in his tenacious attempts to stand up for the crime victims of illegal immigration, igniting a national debate about 'sanctuary cities' that led to the U.S. House passing a bill to defund such local governments," he continued. "However, he still has not weighed in on what he would do about interior enforcement policies other than sanctuary cities. Thus, there was not a reason to raise his rating in Interior Enforcement."

Gheen, like Beck, conceded that Trump has accomplished a lot by bringing the dark side of immigration into the national spotlight.

"We owe Donald Trump a big debt of gratitude for using his influence and star power to bring attention to some examples of the thousands of Americans being killed by the longstanding policy of inadequate enforcement of America's existing laws," said Gheen. "Trump was really sounding like something new until he fell in line with the amnesty lackeys of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. We need a presidential candidate who will fully enforce our existing laws instead of undermining enforcement with talk of changing our laws to accommodate millions of imported illegal alien socialist voters.

"So it was a very sad situation that we had to put Trump at the top of our (negative) list today."

Copyright 2015 WND

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Originally Posted by Judy

That was my comment not his, referring to when he was asked what were the "good ones" he might let come back and he replied some of the "ones from university". I don't agree with him on this, but that's what he said in an interview. You know that because it's already been discussed here a couple of weeks ago. I don't agree with Trump on everything, he's Pro-Life, I'm Pro-Choice and women's rights is a huge issue for me and many other voters, as is the FairTax which as yet he's not committed to, I hope he will commit to it, but he hasn't yet, and you know how important I believe that tax legislation is to fixing our economy.

Nothing about the university here:

Trump told Hannity that illegals should be sent back to their home countries and the "bad ones" never get allowed to come back. But the "good ones," those without criminal records, should be allowed back into the U.S. under a new "expedited" process that makes them legal, Trump said.

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2015/07/immigrati...pdyxGYc4uLP.99

Trump has talked about expediting the return of illegals in a number of interviews.

Originally Posted by MW

Nothing about the university here:


Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2015/07/immigrati...pdyxGYc4uLP.99

Trump has talked about expediting the return of illegals in a number of interviews.

No that isn't what he said, MW. He limits to good ones, he limits to a merit system, he limits to self-sustaining, he limits to universities, he limits to non-criminals other than violating US immigration law, he limits to no assistance for housing, education, healthcare or other needs, he limits, limits, limits, and then says he wants a "pause" a "freeze" on legal immigration, therefore, there will be no return of illegal aliens under some legal admission process for a very, very long time.

And of course, like the Wall, he will need Congressional support to readmit on any basis.

Originally Posted by Judy

No that isn't what he said, MW. He limits to good ones, he limits to a merit system, he limits to self-sustaining, he limits to universities, he limits to non-criminals other than violating US immigration law, he limits to no assistance for housing, education, healthcare or other needs, he limits, limits, limits, and then says he wants a "pause" a "freeze" on legal immigration, therefore, there will be no return of illegal aliens under some legal admission process for a very, very long time.

And of course, like the Wall, he will need Congressional support to readmit on any basis.

He has said many different things. You're free to pick and choose which interviews you want to believe. One thing Trump hasn't been and that is consistent.

Originally Posted by MW

He has said many different things. You're free to pick and choose which interviews you want to believe. One thing Trump hasn't been and that is consistent.

Judy is right on this, heck I'm the one she had a debate with before when she was thinking Trump turned on Amnesty. Trump has never supported Amnesty and what he has said if looked at in full context and not a black and white system has been pretty consistent with what he has said he would do. Yes he talked on a merit system and letting the good ones back after they go home first. This is the key point to sound middle of the road and not *breaking up families* while enforcing the law. In truth though once they are out very few would ever be qualifying to come back and very few would be able to afford an attempt to come back legally as well. Trump is no fool and he knows also that once all the benefits are GONE the vast majority won't even want to come back. None of those illegals want to work for min wage w/o being able to get welfare and other freebies and business's won't been so eager to hire them when they have to pay the same as an American. But saying it with a *Merit System* allows Trump to get to those who aren't so informed who are buying into the whole deporting families BS from the left and RINO's.

Ohh and Judy, while he hasn't committed to the Fair Tax he has a system also which while not great is better then now. Think it was something like $20k under is 1%, 5% for 60k under, then like 10% and caps at 15% for the top. Pretty much a flat tax style w/o loopholes. It would fix a lot of the tax nightmares and while not the best system could be alright.

Originally Posted by ReformUSA2012

Judy is right on this, heck I'm the one she had a debate with before when she was thinking Trump turned on Amnesty. Trump has never supported Amnesty and what he has said if looked at in full context and not a black and white system has been pretty consistent with what he has said he would do. Yes he talked on a merit system and letting the good ones back after they go home first. This is the key point to sound middle of the road and not *breaking up families* while enforcing the law. In truth though once they are out very few would ever be qualifying to come back and very few would be able to afford an attempt to come back legally as well. Trump is no fool and he knows also that once all the benefits are GONE the vast majority won't even want to come back. None of those illegals want to work for min wage w/o being able to get welfare and other freebies and business's won't been so eager to hire them when they have to pay the same as an American. But saying it with a *Merit System* allows Trump to get to those who aren't so informed who are buying into the whole deporting families BS from the left and RINO's.

Ohh and Judy, while he hasn't committed to the Fair Tax he has a system also which while not great is better then now. Think it was something like $20k under is 1%, 5% for 60k under, then like 10% and caps at 15% for the top. Pretty much a flat tax style w/o loopholes. It would fix a lot of the tax nightmares and while not the best system could be alright.

Thank you! Yes, I know about that one, but it's from back in 2011 and the FairTax has gained a lot of steam since then. I know he knows about the FairTax but he may not have studied in depth to understand how it helps stop illegal immigration and free trade treason. Hopefully he'll reach out to someone who does or study it himself and I'm sure once he understands fully how it works which takes a little time unless you have someone very knowledgeable about it walking you through how it works.

We need to work on him for that, I mean this is our chance to possibly get everything we want and need, so tell everyone who supports the FairTax to write him or email him or call him at his campaign headquarters or Trump Towers. He needs to know, because it's so important.