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GOP Bill Tries To Drive Wedge Between Undocumented Servicemembers And Undocumented College Students

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By Adam Peck
Jan 28, 2012 at 9:00 am



During Monday night’s debate, the two Republican presidential front runners voiced their support for a modified DREAM Act that covers only those undocumented immigrants who are willing to serve in the United States military, and not those who attend a college or university in pursuit of a degree. Now, a Florida Republican has introduced a bill to do just that:

Inspired by Monday night’s Republican presidential debate over immigration, Rep. David Rivera, R-Miami, filed a bill that would give young people who serve in the military — not college students — a path to U.S. citizenship.

“If somebody is willing to die for America, then certainly they deserve a chance at life in America,” Rivera said.
Rivera’s plan is called the Adjusted Residency for Military Service Act — the ARMS Act. It’s a variation on the DREAM Act, which would grant legal status to some children of undocumented immigrants who were brought illegally to the United States by their parents.

The new push for a military-only version of the DREAM Act is a not terribly subtle attempt by the Republican presidential nominees to create a wedge between military DREAMers and the college student DREAMers who have been lobbying for the bill for years. Rep. Rivera says that he is introducing the bill because it is all that Congress will likely be able to pass, even though polls show the DREAM Act has overwhelming support from every demographic, including Republicans.


Romney, Gingrich and Rep. Rivera are also at odds with former Florida Governor Jeb Bush, who yesterday said that immigration was a “secret weapon for economic competitiveness,” a view shared by President Obama during his State of the Union address on Tuesday.

GOP Bill Tries To Drive Wedge Between Undocumented Servicemembers And Undocumented College Students | ThinkProgress

I thought this was already being done, what is the catch???? Are they slipping something else in that we don't know about in this bill?

I did some fact checking and yes kathyet there is more to it.

Knowing that alien immigrants have been using military service as a pathway to citizenship for years why the rush all of a sudden to pass a new law. Is it just pandering for the Latino Vote or is there more to it? What would the new law change?
I watched Senator Durbin showing off his Poster boy when trying to pass the Dream Act. Presenting this illegal immigrants dream of becoming an officer in the military. I wondered if he was just ignorant or if he was out and out lying. An alien documented or undocumented cannot be an officer in the military. The fact is that aliens cannot do a lot of jobs in the military requiring security clearances.
Now I see a new stand-alone Dream Act trying to be passed. Why? Read the Federal and State Selective Service Systems and it becomes clear.
Federal Selective Service System
Under the Selective Service System , virtually all male U.S. citizens, and male aliens living in the U.S., who are ages 18 through 25, are required to register with Selective Service.
Since there is no draft currently in effect, and men are not being classified for service, disabled men, clergymen, and men who believe themselves to be conscientiously opposed to war must also register.
Penalties for Failure to Register for the Draft
Men who do not register could be prosecuted and, if convicted, fined up to $250,000 and/or serve up to five years in prison. In addition, men who fail to register with Selective Service before turning age 26, even if not prosecuted, will become ineligible for:
Student Financial Aid - including Pell Grants, College Work Study, Guaranteed Student/Plus Loans, and National Direct Student Loans.
U.S. Citizenship - if the man first arrived in the U.S. before his 26th birthday.
Federal Job Training - The Job Training Partnership Act (JTPA) offers programs that can train young men for jobs in auto mechanics and other skills. This program is only open to those men who register with Selective Service.
Federal Jobs - men born after December 31, 1959 must be registered to be eligible for jobs in the Executive Branch of the Federal government and the U.S. Postal Service.
In addition, several states have added additional penalties for those who fail to register.
You may have read or been told that there is no need to register, because so few people are prosecuted for failing to register. The goal of the Selective Service System is registration, not prosecution. Even though those who fail to register may not be prosecuted they will be denied student financial assistance, federal job training, and most federal employment unless they can provide convincing evidence to the agency providing the benefit they are seeking, that their failure to register was not knowing and willful.
Who Does NOT Have to Register for the Draft?
Men who are not required to register with Selective Service include: nonimmigrant aliens in the U.S. on student, visitor, tourist, or diplomatic visas; men on active duty in the U.S. Armed Forces; and cadets and midshipmen in the Service Academies and certain other U.S. military colleges. All other men must register upon reaching age 18 (or before age 26, if entering and taking up residence in the U.S. when already older than 1.
State Selective Service Systems
Alabama: Requires Selective Service registration to be eligible to enter institutions of higher learning. Registration is also required as a prerequisite for state employment and promotion. This legislation was signed by Gov. Guy Hunt in 1991 and became on effective Jan. 1, 1992. On Oct. 1, 2001, an Alabama law became effective requiring men to be registered with Selective Service to obtain a state driver's license. Gov. Don Siegelman signed this legislation on May 17, 2001.
Alaska: Requires men to register with the Selective Service System as a precondition to state employment, to receive state financial aid for school, and unique to Alaska, to receive a permanent fund dividend. Signed by Gov. Tony Knowles on June 27, 2002, this bill became effective on January 1, 2004.
Arizona: Requires registration as a condition for state financial aid for school as well as a precondition for state employment. Signed by Gov. Rose Mofford in 1988. On April 24, 2003, Gov. Janet Napolitano signed into law a bill that requires Arizona men, 18 through 25 years old, to be registered to obtain a state driver's license. This law became effective on July 1, 2003.
Arkansas: Requires registration as a condition for receiving a state education loan, scholarship, or other state financial assistance. Signed into law by Gov. Bill Clinton on Feb. 22, 1989. Also, requires compliance with the Military Selective Service Act as a precondition for state employment or enrollment in a public institution of higher learning. Signed by Gov. Huckabee in 1997. On Feb. 20, 2001, Gov. Huckabee signed into law a bill which requires men under 26 years old who apply for an Arkansas driver's license, permit, or renewal to be registered with Selective Service. This law became effective on Jan. 1, 2002.
California: Requires Selective Service registration as a precondition for state student financial aid. Signed into law by Gov. Pete Wilson in 1997.
Colorado: Requires statement of compliance from male students born after Dec. 31, 1959, before they are allowed to enroll at a state supported college or university. Gov. Dick Lamm allowed the bill to become law in 1987. On Aug. 8, 2001, a Colorado law became effective requiring men applying for a state driver's license to be registered with Selective Service. Gov. Bill Owens signed the bill on May 30, 2001.
Delaware: Requires Selective Service registration as a precondition for state employment and state student financial aid. Signed by Gov. Michael N. Castle in 1986. On Aug. 4, 2000, Gov. Thomas R. Carper signed into law a bill which registers men 18 through 25 with Selective Service when they apply for a Delaware driver's license, permit, or state I.D. card, if they are required under federal law to be so registered.
District of Columbia: On April 27, 2001, Mayor Anthony Williams signed a law stipulating that men 18 through 25 years old in the District may register with the SSS when they apply to obtain or renew a District driver's license.
Florida: Requires Selective Service registration as a precondition for state student financial aid. Signed by Gov. Bob Graham in 1985. A law signed by Gov. Bob Martinez in 1988 requires registration as a precondition for state employment. On July 1, 2001, a Florida law became effective requiring men to be registered with Selective Service to obtain a state driver's license. Gov. Jeb Bush signed this legislation on June 5, 2001.
Georgia: Requires Selective Service registration as a precondition for state student financial aid. Signed by Gov. Joe Frank Harris in 1986. A law signed by Gov. Zell Miller effective, July 1, 1998, requires proof of registration as a precondition for state employment. On July 1, 2001, a Georgia law became effective which requires men to be registered with Selective Service to obtain a state driver's license. Gov. Roy Barnes signed this legislation on April 18, 2001.
Guam: On May 3, 2004, Gov. Felix P. Camacho signed a law stipulating that men 18 through 25 years old in Guam may register with the SSS when they apply to obtain or renew a state driver’s license. This law becomes effective on Sept. 1, 2004.
Hawaii: A law became effective on Jan. 1, 2002, requiring Selective Service registration as a condition for applying for and receiving a state driver's license. This law was signed by Gov. Benjamin J. Cayetano on May 3, 2001.
Idaho: Young men must be registered to be eligible for state employment and state enrollment in post secondary institutions, including financial aid for this schooling. Signed by Gov. Dirk Kempthorne on March 26, 1999. On March 21, 2002, Gov. Kempthorne signed a law stipulating that men 18 through 25 years old in Idaho may register with the SSS when they apply to obtain or renew a state driver's license. This law became effective on July 1, 2002.
Illinois: Enacted two pieces of legislation: One requires Selective Service registration as a precondition for state student financial aid and the other requires registration as a precondition for state employment. Gov. James Thompson signed these in 1984 and 1989, respectively. On Jan. 1, 2002, an Illinois law became effective requiring men to be registered with Selective Service to obtain a state driver's license. Gov. George Ryan signed this legislation on July 20, 2001.
Indiana: On April 25, 2007, Governor Mitch Daniels signed into law a bill given the option for men 18 through 25 to register with Selective Service when obtaining a state drivers license or an identification card.
Iowa: On April 21, 2003, Gov. Tom Vilsack signed into law a bill that requires Iowa men, 18 through 25 years old, to be registered to obtain a state driver's license. This law became effective on July 1, 2003.
Kansas: On April 10, 2003, Gov. Kathleen Sebelius signed into law a bill that requires Kansas men, 18 through 25 years old, to be registered to obtain a state driver's license. This law became effective on July 1, 2003.
Kentucky: State regulations require a statement of Selective Service registration status as a precondition for participating in the state educational loan program. On March 12, 2003, Gov. Paul E. Patton signed into law a bill which registers men 18 through 25 with Selective Service when they apply for a Kentucky driver's license, permit, or state I.D. card, if they are required under federal law to be so registered. This law became effective on July 1, 2003.
Louisiana: Enacted two pieces of legislation. One requires Selective Service registration for entry to any state school. Gov. Edwin Edwards signed this legislation in 1985. The other requires registration to be eligible for certain classified and unclassified state civil service positions. Signed by Gov. Murphy J. (Mike) Foster in 1999. On Jan. 1, 2002, a Louisiana law became effective requiring Louisiana men to be registered with Selective Service to obtain a state driver's license. Gov. Foster signed this legislation on June 25, 2001.
Maine: Requires Selective Service registration as a precondition for state student financial aid. Signed by Gov. John McKernan in 1987.
Maryland: On May 6, 2002, Gov. Parris N. Glendening signed a law requiring Maryland Motor Vehicle Administration to place options on application forms to allow men 18 through 25 years old to register with Selective Service. However, the law never went into effect because it was expressly conditioned on receipt of federal funding.
Massachusetts: Requires Selective Service registration as a precondition for state student financial aid. Gov. Michael Dukakis allowed the bill to become law in 1984.
Michigan: On January 4, 2007, Governor Jennifer M. Granholm signed into law a bill that requires men 18 through 25 to be registered to obtain a state driver's license or an identification card.
Minnesota: On May 13,2004, Gov. Tim Pawlenty signed a law requiring Minnesota men to be registered with the SSS as a condition for obtaining a state driver’s license.
Mississippi: Enacted two pieces of legislation. One requires Selective Service registration as a precondition for state student financial aid. Gov. William Allain signed this legislation in 1984. The other requires registration as a precondition for state employment and was signed by Gov. Kirk Fordice in 1999. On March 19, 2002, Gov. Ronnie Musgrove signed a law requiring Mississippi men to be registered with the SSS as a condition for obtaining a state driver's license. This law became effective on Sept. 1, 2002.
Missouri: Requires Selective Service registration as a precondition for state employment and state student financial aid. Signed by Gov. Mel Carnahan on July 14,1999. On July 11, 2002, Gov. Bob Holden signed a law allowing Missouri men to be registered with the SSS when they apply to obtain a state driver’s license or instruction permit application. This law became effective on Aug. 28, 2002.
Montana: Requires Selective Service registration as a precondition for state employment and state student financial aid. Signed by Gov. Judy Martz on April 21, 2001.
Nevada:On May 22, 2009, Gov. Jim Gibbons signed a law stipulating that men 18 through 25 years old in Nevada may register with the SSS when they apply to obtain or renew a state driver's license. This law will become effective on July 1, 2010.
New Hampshire: Young men must be registered to be eligible for state employment and state enrollment in post secondary institutions, including financial aid for this schooling. Signed by Gov. Jeanne Shaheen July 31, 1998. On May 8, 2002, Gov. Shaheen signed a law stipulating that men 18 through 25 years old in New Hampshire may register with the SSS when they apply to obtain or renew a state driver's license. This law became effective on July 7, 2002.
New Jersey: Requires Selective Service registration as a precondition for state student financial aid. Gov. Christine Todd Whitman signed this legislation in 1997.
New Mexico: On April 9, 2003, Gov. Bill Richardson signed into law a bill that requires New Mexico men, 18 through 25 years old, to be registered to obtain a state driver's license. This law became effective on July 1, 2003.
New York: On Sept. 17, 2002, Gov. George E. Pataki signed into law a bill that requires New York men, 18 through 25 years old, to be registered to obtain a state driver's license. This law became effective on March 17, 2003.
North Carolina: Enacted two pieces of legislation: One requires Selective Service registration for certain veterans’ dependents financial aid programs and the other requires registration as a precondition for state employment and state educational assistance. Gov. James Martin signed these bills in 1985 and 1989. On October 17, 2002, Gov. Michael Easley signed into law a bill that requires North Carolina men, 18 through 25 years old, to be registered to obtain a state driver's license. This law became effective on April 01, 2003.
North Dakota: Requires Selective Service registration as a precondition for student financial aid. Signed by Gov. George Sinner in 1987.
Northern Mariana Islands: Requires Selective Service registration as a prerequisite to employment with the Commonwealth government. Signed by Gov. Pedro P. Tenorio, the legislation became effective March 15, 1999. A law signed on Nov. 30, 2001, by Gov. Tenorio requires young men, 18 through 25 years old, to be registered with Selective Service to obtain a driver's license or renewal.
Ohio: Requires Selective Service registration as a precondition for state student financial aid. Requires any resident male not registered with Selective Service to pay out of state tuition rate. Gov. Richard Celeste allowed this bill to become law in 1986. On Nov. 2, 2001, Gov. Bob Taft signed a law requiring Ohio men to be registered with the SSS as a condition for obtaining a state driver's license. This law became effective on Aug. 1, 2002.
Oklahoma: Requires Selective Service registration as a precondition for state student financial aid. Signed by Gov. Henry Bellmon in 1987. On June 1, 2000, Gov. Frank Keating signed into law a requirement that Oklahoma men, 18 through 25 years old, to be registered with Selective Service to obtain a state driver's license or permit.
Rhode Island: On June 26, 2002, a bill became law requiring Rhode Island men, 18 through 25 years old, to be registered with Selective Service to obtain a state driver's license or permit.
South Carolina: On June 5, 2002, Gov. Jim Hodges signed into law a bill that requires South Carolina men, 18 through 25 years old, to be registered to obtain a state driver's license.
South Dakota: Requires Selective Service registration before acceptance to all state schools and as a precondition to state employment. Signed by Gov. George S. Mickelson in 1988. On Feb. 23, 2002, Gov. William J. Janklow signed a law requiring South Dakota men to be registered with the SSS as a condition for obtaining a state driver's license.
Tennessee: Requires Selective Service registration before acceptance to all state schools. Signed by Gov. Lamar Alexander in 1984. Registration is also required as a precondition for state employment. Gov. Ned McWherter signed this legislation in 1987. On May 29, 2002, Gov. Don Sundquist signed a law requiring Tennessee men, 18 through 25 years old, to be registered to obtain a state driver's license. This law became effective on Dec. 1, 2002.
Texas: Requires men to be in compliance with the registration requirement to be eligible for state student financial assistance. The law was passed in 1997. Effective Sept. 1, 1999, state employment is contingent upon Selective Service registration or exemption. On June 15, 2001, Gov. Rick Perry signed a law stipulating that men 18 through 25 years old in Texas may register with the SSS when they apply to obtain or renew a state driver's license. This law became effective on Dec. 9, 2002.
Utah: Requires Selective Service registration as a precondition for state student financial aid. Signed by Gov. Michael O. Leavitt in March 1998. On March 15, 2001, Gov. Leavitt signed into law a bill conditioning receipt of a Utah driver's license or state identification card on SSS registration for men required to be registered. The law became effective on April 30, 2001.
Virgin Islands: Was signed on Feb. 20, 2002, by Gov. Charles Turnbull requires young men in the Commonwealth, 18 through 25 years old, to be registered with Selective Service to obtain a driver's license or renewal.
Virginia: Enacted two pieces of legislation. One requires Selective Service registration as a precondition for student financial aid. Signed by Gov. James Gilmore on April 14, 1998, and became effective July 1, 1998. The other requires registration as a precondition for state employment and was signed by Gov. Gilmore April 5, 1999. On March 6, 2002, Gov. Mark Warner signed into law a bill which requires men to be registered with Selective Service to obtain a state driver's license. This law became effective on July 2, 2002.
Washington: Washington State became the 39th Drivers License Legislation state enacted and signed by Governor Christine Gregoire on May 16, 2011, as an optional legislation.
West Virginia: Requires Selective Service registration as a precondition for state student financial aid and state employment. Gov. Cecil H. Underwood signed the bill April 8, 1999, to become effective July 1, 1999. On June 9, 2002, a West Virginia law became effective which gives men the option to be registered with Selective Service to obtain a state driver's license. Gov. Bob Wise signed this legislation on April 2, 2002.
Wisconsin: Requires Selective Service registration as a precondition for state employment and state student financial aid. The bill was signed by Gov. Scott McCallum on Aug. 30, 2001 and became effective Jan. 1, 2002. On April 22, 2002, Gov. McCullum signed into law a bill requiring Wisconsin men, 18 through 25 years old, to be registered with Selective Service to obtain a driver's license or renewal. This law became effective on Nov. 1, 2002.

Fact Sources:
http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/defens...a/draftreg.htm
http://usgovinfo.about.com/gi/o.htm?...fsstateleg.htm

Do you have a link for that one...sure would like that...

Sorry kathyet I was doing some fact checking and the first two paragraphs come directly from me, but I did go back in and add my fact sources.

Thanks MontereySherry

So,

Under the Selective Service System , virtually all male U.S. citizens, and male aliens living in the U.S., who are ages 18 through 25, are required to register with Selective Service.

If they are not VISA holders and they are claiming residence here, they must register with the Selective Service. It seems that we have a large number of unaccounted for men between the ages of 18 and 25 that are not registered now.

This one interests me.

New Mexico: On April 9, 2003, Gov. Bill Richardson signed into law a bill that requires New Mexico men, 18 through 25 years old, to be registered to obtain a state driver's license. This law became effective on July 1, 2003

How many New Mexico driver's licenses are being issued without proof of selective service registration?

Originally Posted by Newmexican

So,If they are not VISA holders and they are claiming residence here, they must register with the Selective Service. It seems that we have a large number of unaccounted for men between the ages of 18 and 25 that are not registered now. This one interests me.How many New Mexico driver's licenses are being issued without proof of selective service registration?

Thats a very good catch and question Newmexican. My guess would be the same as yours most likely. That question needs to be answered!!!
Illegals in OUR military is just plain UNEXEPTABLE...Just as Illegal in OUR country is UNEXEPTABLE...So many calls, so little time.....HELP ALIPACers!!!stevetheroofer made it easier God love, him but damn!!!I just started a new job and it's taking me out of a lot of the mix right now.....