Thread: Guliani's Plan is the Same as McCain's Plan!!!

I heard him being interviewed on Fox today!!

Close the borders

Get rid of the criminals

Give the remaining a path to become legal.

Giuliani and McCain are two peas in a pod.

For a while this morning Fox also was saying that Rudi said
they all had to go back

Which was pure bs

Its the John McCain amnesty with Rudi's name on it

Giuliani has been saying this (pathway amnesty) for months. Nothing new here.

Washington Times
Giuliani eyes citizenship path for illegals

August 15, 2007

By Stephen Dinan - Republican presidential hopeful Rudolph W. Giuliani yesterday said he would grant a pathway to citizenship to some illegal aliens already in the country but would stop future illegal aliens by finishing the border fence and bringing expertise to the job.

He said the problem is the government lacks the commitment to get the job done — something he would change.

"You've just got to do it. ... It's complicated [but] it's not brain surgery," he told WVOC-AM radio in Columbia, S.C. "You've got to build a fence, build a technological fence, hire the border patrol, set up a 'BorderStat' program to measure people coming over the border, start doing it."

Mr. Giuliani said he supports fencing 700 miles of the U.S.-Mexico border and hiring the U.S. Border Patrol agents Congress has already authorized, as well as establishing better databases and a new I.D. card for foreigners working or studying here.

He also said he would bring his New York crime-fighting experience to the border by creating a program called BorderStat, which measures and tracks enforcement techniques.

As for the current immigrant population, Mr. Giuliani committed to deporting criminal aliens, both legal residents and illegals, which he said would total about 300,000.

Mr. Giuliani said the rest of the 12 million to 20 million illegal aliens already here can gain a path to citizenship after a waiting period if they register and learn English.

Those key elements generally track President Bush's immigration bill, which was defeated in the Senate earlier this year. Mr. Giuliani opposed that bill, saying it was too complicated and unworkable.

Mr. Giuliani's top rival for the Republican presidential nomination, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, also opposed the immigration bill. He doesn't want a path to citizenship for illegal aliens.

Mr. Romney and a potential candidate, former Sen. Fred Thompson, have labeled New York a "sanctuary city" — one that protects illegal aliens by preventing officials from inquiring about legal status or reporting them to federal authorities.

On Monday, Mr. Romney visited the U.S.-Mexico border at San Diego, and called for penalties against sanctuary cities, including reducing federal funds to them.

Over the weekend, another potential presidential candidate, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, called on Mr. Bush to convene an emergency three-day session of Congress to pass a law to address sanctuary cities in light of recent reports that three students were killed in Newark, N.J., purportedly by an illegal alien shielded by sanctuary city policies.

Mr. Gingrich, Georgia Republican, proposed ending some federal funding for cities that refuse to comply.

Rep. Tom Tancredo of Colorado, another Republican presidential hopeful, said if elected he would bring federal criminal charges against mayors and legislators who declare their municipalities sanctuary cities.

• This article is based in part on wire service reports.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/article/ ... 50042/1002

Here's a reminder about McCain, from Hugh Hewitt:

Let's review:

John McCain

--voted against the Bush tax cuts, one of only two Republican senators to do so;

--twice authored the McCain-Kennedy immigration bill with its Z Visas and path to citizenship;

--has done nothing to accelerate the construction of the border fence;

--stands behind McCain-Feingold even after the Supreme Court has struck down portions of it as unconstitutional;

--defends the Gang of 14 even though a long line of vacancies on the courts of appeal existed at the end of 1006 (and has only gotten longer in 2007);

--worked with Lindsey Graham to destroy the GOP's agenda in September of 2006 by grandstanding over the interrogation and treatment of terrorists bill;

--opposed drilling in ANWR;

--opposed the Federal Marriage Amendment, twice;

--advocates a massive energy tax;

--performed poorly in three straight debates, displaying his off-putting temper on Saturday night last, and then wandering through the Sunday and Thursday debates, often losing the thread of his response and failing to answer the question, raising issues of his energy and age;

--has earned the enmity of grassroots conservative leaders across the country. "I think that the problem that nearly destroyed his candidacy last summer is still there," Horserace blogger Jay Cost writes this morning, "and it could yet do him in. The problem? Conservative leaders do not care for his candidacy." Cost has the key bit of evidence:

Examining congressional endorsements for McCain and Romney, excluding in-state supporters (as they often act more out of home state pride than ideological proximity), we find some interesting results. 34 Republicans have endorsed Mitt Romney, while just 24 have endorsed McCain. Furthermore, Romney's supporters are more in line with conservative opinion. Their average 2006 ACU rating was 84.1, and 26 of them come from states Bush won in 2004. Meanwhile, the average 2006 ACU rating for McCain's supporters is 70.7, and just 12 of them come from Bush states. In light of McCain's rsum, this is consequential. He should have locked up most members of the Republican caucus, but he has not.