Of course I had to put in my two cents.

This is further confirmation that this issue is far reaching and most Americans are fed up with it.

If the link below doesn't work, here is a copy of the discussion....

http://forums.ebay.com/db2/thread.jspat ... 2325958545

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New Social Security change 2008
turtlegaby (8030 ) View Listings | Report May-31-08 08:47 PDT
and we are concerned about Ebay fees....

Social Security Change For 2008


The United States Senate voted to extend Social Security Benefits to Illegal Aliens beginning in 2008. The following are the senators who voted to give illegal aliens Social Security benefits. They are grouped by home state. If a state is not listed, there was no voting representative.



Alaska : Stevens (R)

Arizona : McCain (R)

Arkansas : Lincoln (D) Pryor (D)

California : Boxer (D) Feinstein (D)

Colorado : Salazar (D)

Connecticut : Dodd (D) Lieberman (D)

Delaware : Biden (D) Carper (D)

Florida : Martinez (R)

Hawaii : Akaka (D) Inouye (D)

Illinois : Durbin (D) Obama (D)

Indiana : Bayh (D) Lugar (R)

Iowa : Harkin (D)

Kansas : Brownback (R)

Louisiana : Landrieu (D)

Maryland : Mikulski (D) Sarbanes (D)

Massachusetts : Kennedy (D) Kerry (D)

Montana : Baucus (D)

Nebraska : Hagel (R)

Nevada : Reid (D)

New Jersey : Lautenberg (D) Menendez (D)

New Mexico : Bingaman (D)

New York : Clinton (D) Schumer (D)

North Dakota : Dorgan (D)

Ohio : DeWine (R) Voinovich(R)

Oregon : Wyden (D)

Pennsylvania : Specter (R)

Rhode Island : Chafee (R) Reed (D)

South Carolina : Graham (R)

South Dakota : Johnson (D)

Vermont : Jeffords (I) Leahy (D)

Washington : Cantwell (D) Murray (D)

West Virginia : Rockefeller (D), by Not Voting

Wisconsin : Feingold (D) Kohl (D)

http://rense.com/general79/seniors.htm


1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year. http://tinyurl.com/zob77



2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens. http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html



3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens. http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html



4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English! http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ ... ldt.0.html



5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ ... dt.01.html



6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ ... dt.01.html



7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ ... dt.01.html



8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare and Social Services by the American taxpayers. http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html



9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ ... dt.01.html



10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two-and-a-half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ ... dt.01.html

11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border. Homeland Security Report. http://tinyurl.com/t9sht



12. The National Policy Institute, 'estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.' http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/ ... tation.pdf



13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin. http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm



14. 'The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States '. http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml



Total cost is a whooping... $338.3 BILLION A YEAR!!!



Snopes is provided for doubters:



http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigrat ... merica.asp



I see food, somebody please gets me outta here.

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all*about*horses (1188 ) View Listings | Report May-31-08 08:50 PDT 1 of 20
It is the beginnings of a system to track them. In order to get Social Security Benefits they will need a Social Security Number ... and then BAM ... they are in the system and trackable.




dorothysew (1119 ) View Listings | Report May-31-08 09:08 PDT 2 of 20
you might want to read the whole thing about the vote-it is not as clear as it seems:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigrat ... curity.asp

amendment was on people who became legal if the bill became law (which it didn't), whether they should get credit for their own contributions during their "illegal" period.


the_village_cache06 (705 ) View Listings | Report May-31-08 12:00 PDT 3 of 20
lol@all yea right


VOTE CHUCK BALDWIN 2008!!!


lisasopinion (Private ) View Listings | Report May-31-08 13:46 PDT 4 of 20
It doesn't really matter anyway because the "big plan" is to make mexico part of the united states. Then all mexican citizens would be "american citizens" and would be eligible for all benefits that we get.

The plan has been in the works for years, it's just not talked about because they are trying to keep it quiet, but it's called the North American Union. It would merge canada, mexico and the usa into one big country. The new currency has already been decided on too, it's called the Amero.

It's real scary stuff people! Google it for yourself, North American Union.




turtlegaby (8030 ) View Listings | Report May-31-08 13:56 PDT 5 of 20
There is an American, a German, and a Mexican. They are in all in a boat. The boat is about to sink. Each of them have to throw things out to make the boat lighter.

The German throws out 4 cases of beer and says, "We have a lot of bear in Germany so we don't need these!"

The Mexican throws out 5 cases of burritos and says, "We have a lot of burritos in Mexico so we don't need these!"

The American grabs the Mexican and throws him out.

The German asks why he threw the Mexican out.

And the American replies, "We have a lot of Mexicans in America so we don't need him!."



Attention carrots, I'm in the process to wolf you down


lisasopinion (Private ) View Listings | Report May-31-08 14:01 PDT 6 of 20
LOL Turtle!!!!!!

You know, here's my deal on the illegal immigrants. If I were unfortunate enough to be born in cuba or mexico, I'd be trying to get into the usa too. People are people, we all just want the same things for ourselves and our families.

The problem is that the ones that are here, and a ton of them are here, are invisible, so there is no way to keep track of them. They should be visible and pay taxes like everyone else.

It's really a no win situation for us tho....you can't let them all in and you can't keep them all out. There is no really good solution to the problem that works for both sides. It's just a real mess. They wouldn't want to come here if their own countries were decent places to live, so it's their own government's fault, not the poor people's fault. That's really how I see it.




treasurewear (3840 ) View Listings | Report May-31-08 14:13 PDT 7 of 20
I agree with Lisa 100% Search for AMERO on eBay too. Kelly



crokersack (2030 ) View Listings | Report May-31-08 14:20 PDT 8 of 20
You maybe right about Mexico and belonging to USA one day. There are secret societies here in US and most don't have a clue. It could be a done deal before US citizens could take a leak. Of course that would be a final nail in our coffin. There are children who are not illegal aliens who cross over the boarder to Texas everyday and go home at nite in order to attend school in good old Texas. Wonder where Bush stood on this before he was elected? Had to have known. Of course this is where some oil profits are going.


turtlegaby (8030 ) View Listings | Report May-31-08 14:24 PDT 9 of 20
You are right Lisa, but the problem is they don't care about America, the country that nurtures them. Most of them don't even speak English and don't want to learn it. They demand American institutions to speak their language for better convinience.

This is what bothers me personally most.

When I move into an other country and want to live there, I do darn everything to get myself integrated, which means the first step is to learn the language as soon as possible and pay my taxes.



Attention carrots, I'm in the process to wolf you down


ocean2tides (1193 ) View Listings | Report May-31-08 14:45 PDT 10 of 20
whether they should get credit for their own contributions during their "illegal" period

I thought illegals couldn't work here legally, so how do they get a real social security number and pay social security taxes? Thought the problem was that so many of them are using 'fake' social security numbers or numbers of others so they can get a job.


lisasopinion (Private ) View Listings | Report May-31-08 14:47 PDT 11 of 20
I totally agree turtle, english is our language and I am offended when I have to press 1 for english!

That seriously ticks me off all of the time. It's a slap in the face to americans I think.




disp718 (1380 ) View Listings | Report May-31-08 14:58 PDT 12 of 20
turtle,This must some quite old news or you have been somewhat misinformed. In RI, Chaffee has been out of office for at least 2 years.


dorothysew (1119 ) View Listings | Report May-31-08 15:14 PDT 13 of 20
with the language problem=what gets me is states that have to have ballots printed in so many languages-I think California has to have over 100?


turtlegaby (8030 ) View Listings | Report May-31-08 15:44 PDT 14 of 20
It is like it was in Germany with Turks. I worked for the youth welfare department and everything there, forms, applications, websites have been in Turkish. As an employee of this department I got paid for visiting a Turkish course. It was voluntarily, but since I loved making vacations in Turkey from time to time I thought, it's a good chance to learn the language.
But I found it kind of odd, that a German government pays it's employees for a language course in order to better serve the immigrants.



Attention carrots, I'm in the process to wolf you down


skyforme (27 ) View Listings | Report May-31-08 16:02 PDT 15 of 20
It is the beginnings of a system to track them. In order to get Social Security Benefits they will need a Social Security Number ... and then BAM ... they are in the system and trackable.

Not sure how trackable they would be. Most of them have names a mile long and use many different variations of it...or they steal someone's identity that is totally different from thier own.

IMHO, the borders should have been closed a long time ago-especially after 9-11 until we can get this mess worked out. There also needs to be a morotorium on ALL immigration for a set number of years. Not only are our hospitals and schools in trouble-but there is also a major water shortage on the horizon and we just keep letting millions of them over here.

The NAU and open border lobbysts (OBL's) are the reason why neither McCain or Obama (especially Obama) will NOT be getting my vote. I'll be voting-but not for any of the so called "front runners".

If anyone really wants to get educated on immigration, NAU, and the New World Order go to ALIPAC.us. There are news storys from all over the country that are posted there by members and you'll have your eyes opened to what the main stream media is not telling you....it's not for the faint of heart.
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If you can't feed 'em - don't breed 'em!


carltuman (1516 ) View Listings | Report May-31-08 16:36 PDT 16 of 20
I have no issue with those people . I blame our so called leaders for allowing this to happen . Our borders definitely need protecting . If you are going to enter a country do it legally . I guarantee you if the situation was flipped and Americans was illegally entering Mexico they would probably kill us . Why is our country selling us out ? Even in my small town illegal Mexicans don't show enough respect to even learn the English language . On top of this some of them are always in trouble with the law . Can't speak the English language but still know how to commit crimes . What a crap !


turtlegaby (8030 ) View Listings | Report May-31-08 17:46 PDT 17 of 20
People from all over the world came to the USA, because they hoped to get a better life, some for other reasons, but it's only the Hispanics who don't want to learn the language and don't want to integrate in the new culture.

They lack any education and respect or they would do like all other immigrants do, who come legally here.

It is beyond my understanding why everything in the USA is bilingual, spanish and english, supporting the lazyness and disrespect of those people.



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appliancecoverqueen (221 ) View Listings | Report May-31-08 19:38 PDT 18 of 20
I just moved from Miami, Fl to LA. Spanish is the main language there and my US Military Spouse friends who were stationed at Southcom there with me could not get jobs, in America, in Miami, at the mall stores such as JC Penny or Sears because they can not speak Spanish. So our husbands are wearing the uniform and risking their lives all over the world and their wives are discriminated against because they are AMERICAN'S in AMERICA. Crazy isn't it? I worked in a hair salon where I heard everyday that I must learn to speak Spanish (I speak enough because it's close to Italian, my heritage) but I would refuse to speak Spanish. I had many clients refuse to come to me because I would not speak in Spanish -IN AMERICA, but I also had the privilege of serving AMERICAN MILITARY men and women, their spouses and children, because I could speak English. Some days I was the only stylist in the entire Salon of 14-20 stylists that spoke English. When I moved to Louisiana I felt like I just came back from an overseas tour.
You want to see crazy- spend a month or so down in Miami.
The last one out should grab the American flag because we have lost that great city to South America.
Judy
ACQ



danniesjunction (283 ) View Listings | Report Jun-01-08 06:07 PDT 19 of 20
Has anyone ever thought about what happens to all the money collected on an illegal social security number? From what I have heard noone can collect on it. I don't know.


dorothysew (1119 ) View Listings | Report Jun-01-08 06:12 PDT 20 of 20
Gov't has it. Employer sent $ under that #, Gov't sent back an inquiry to Employer either saying # didn't match or was under wrong name. Employer questioned employee who probably didn't show up for work next day (or ever again). Gov't kept money. Gov't spent money-as it has all soc. sec receipts.

I can promise Gov't never refunded the money to anyone-lol