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    Is illegal immigration really important to Ron Paul?

    I don’t think so from his comment in this video

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gus7e4xTbes

    Ron Paul - Town Hall Forum - Part 6 of 6

    If border security and illegal immigration were important to Ron Paul, he would have never referenced Sen. Chuck Hagel and Rep. Dennis Kucinich (at 5:00). Chuck voted "YES" for amnesty. Each of them have horrible voting records with regard to border security and illegal immigration. This should provide a clue as to how important this subject is to him.

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    Illegal immigration and border security don't hold the same priority with Paul as they do with Hunter and Tancredo. That's why I've made Paul my distant third choice.

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    Re: Is illegal immigration really important to Ron Paul?

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    I don’t think so from his comment in this video

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gus7e4xTbes

    Ron Paul - Town Hall Forum - Part 6 of 6

    If border security and illegal immigration were important to Ron Paul, he would have never referenced Sen. Chuck Hagel and Rep. Dennis Kucinich (at 5:00). Chuck voted "YES" for amnesty. Each of them have horrible voting records with regard to border security and illegal immigration. This should provide a clue as to how important this subject is to him.
    Sadly, Ron Paul has voted to give amnesty to illegal on three occasions by voting in support of Section 245(1) amnesty on three occasions.

    On seven occasions, he voted against allowing the United States military to aid the United States Border Patrol on our borders.

    He voted to nearly double the number of H-1B foreign high-tech workers, thus harming the job propsects of American high-tech workers.

    He has also voted to to allow firms to lay off Americans to make room for foreign workers .

    Here is a link to Ron Paul's immigration voting record: http://profiles.numbersusa.com/improfil ... &VIPID=787 .

    Hagel and Kucinich are two of the biggest amensty supporters in Congress. The fact that Ron Paul said that if he weren't running for president, Ron Paul says candidates or potential candidates he would identify with most are Chuck Hagel and Dennis Kucinich says a great deal about how important immigration and illegal immgration are to him. Here is a link to a blog entry at an unofficial Tancredo for President blog that comments about Rep. Paul's statement: http://tancredo4prez.blogspot.com/2007_ ... chive.html .

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    Tancredofan wrote:

    Here is a link to a blog entry at an unofficial Tancredo for President blog that comments about Rep. Paul's statement: http://tancredo4prez.blogspot.com/2007_ ... chive.html .
    Wow, I don't think that blog site does Tancredo any favors! It's basically a smear site. Those who support Tancredo would be better served staying on message. They should be telling Americans why Tancredo should be their choice, not constantly smearing the other candidates. I'm a little disturbed at what the blog site represents. If I was Tancredo, I'd seek to shut the site down, or at least have them change the message. IMO, the blog site you referred us to has no value and puts a negative light on Tancredo.

    I don't have a problem with a site that casually brings the weaknesses of opponents up occasionally. However, it would seem like that is the primary reason for the existance of:

    http://tancredo4prez.blogspot.com/2007_ ... chive.html

    IMHO, this is not very flattering for Tancredo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MW
    Tancredofan wrote:

    Here is a link to a blog entry at an unofficial Tancredo for President blog that comments about Rep. Paul's statement: http://tancredo4prez.blogspot.com/2007_ ... chive.html .
    Wow, I don't think that blog site does Tancredo any favors! It's basically a smear site. Those who support Tancredo would be better served staying on message. They should be telling Americans why Tancredo should be their choice, not constantly smearing the other candidates. I'm a little disturbed at what the blog site represents. If I was Tancredo, I'd seek to shut the site down, or at least have them change the message. IMO, the blog site you referred us to has no value and puts a negative light on Tancredo.

    I don't have a problem with a site that casually brings the weaknesses of opponents up occasionally. However, it would seem like that is the primary reason for the existance of:

    http://tancredo4prez.blogspot.com/2007_ ... chive.html

    IMHO, this is not very flattering for Tancredo.
    There have been dozens of comments in this discussion forum at ALIPAC in which those posting indicated their enjoyment of various information posted on that blog. Many people posted their appreciation for the Tancredo to the Rescue video that was posted on that blog.

    The blog is not a smear site. It accurately points out information about the records of other candidates running for president.

    Every single word that has been posted about Ron Paul or any other candidate running for president has been one hundred percent (100%) accurate. Every statement about a candidate's record on illegal immigration is supported by newspaper articles or videos.

    Every single word that was posted about Ron Paul in the blog entry about Ron Paul is accurate. The fact that Ron Paul says that if he weren't running for president, the candidates or potential candidates for president that he would support are Chuck Hagel and Dennis Kucinich is information that those that consider illegal immigration to be an important should be told.

    Every Democrat running for president is an amnesty supporter, including John Edwards. Every single candidate on the Republican side with the exception of Tom Tancredo and Duncan Hunter have voted for or supported amnesty. It is completely appropriate to call several of the GOP candidates in the presidential field amnesty supporters. Many of the GOP candidates running for president such as Romney and Huckabee are attempting to pretend they are not amnesty supporters.

    Most of the information posted about Huckabee and Romney are direct quotes from articles published in newspapers. It is not smearing another candidate to quote, for example, from an AP article that appeared in an online version of a newspaper.

    Posting facts about the record of candidates with regard to the subejct of illegal immigration is not smearing them.

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    Yeah, at first paul seemed really appealing to me. But the more I learn, the less I like him. That video, as well as the debates, makes one thing clear: immigration IS NOT Ron Paul's top priority -- the war is. It might surprise some to know that I AGREE with Ron Paul on the war. HOWEVER, unlike Paul, I see our border security and sovereignty carrying more weight than the war. For instance, I would vote for someone I disagree with on foreign policy and agree with on immigration (Hunter) over someone I agree with on foreign policy and disagree with on immigration (in contrast to Paul's preference).

    Some other things I have picked up about Paul......I waited and waited for him to adress immigration during the debates, and I had to wait for the THIRD debate for him to talk about it -- as opposed to Tancredo and Hunter who regularly work it into their responses. And when Paul finally adressed it I was unimpressed. Yes, he did reject the current amnesty, BUT he said that if we had a truly free market economy, we would realise that "we need them," and they would not be "scape-goated." I have a serious problem with that remark. I also saw a clip on Youtube where he made a comment that some illegal immigrants are "more American than some of us." I just don't like some of the things coming out of Ron's mouth. I support him over McCain and Giuliani, but Tom and Duncan are FAR better IMHO.
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    BearFlagRepublic wrote:

    I just don't like some of the things coming out of Ron's mouth. I support him over McCain and Giuliani, but Tom and Duncan are FAR better IMHO.
    That's why Paul's my distant third choice. His list of priorities are not the same as mine. However, I do know he would be a better choice than all the so-called top tier candidates. Right now, I have no fourth choice.

    #1 Hunter, #2 Tancredo, ......................#3 Paul.

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    Here is the video that shows what I refered to above. Most of it sounds good. But listen carefully to what Ron says -- all of it. Especially at the end.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7U4RgUh5G38
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    Tancredo is who we all need to support for President. He has been the leader of our movement in Congress.

    We should also support Hunter.
    Free Ramos and Compean NOW!

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    Is Ron Paul not a Libertarian in Republican clothing? He's not the person to vote for if stopping illegal immigration is important to us.

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