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    Most are really good comments. I recognize some names and some writing styles.

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    Just a thought wrote on Jun 8, 2007 2:24 PM:" I think we should send this group along with all the illegal aliens back across our border. They can set up shop in Mexico and whine to the government their instead of whinning to our government. "

    Minute men Unite wrote on Jun 8, 2007 2:36 PM:" The Minute Men and similar organizations need to unite on one focus now. Attempt to recall Senators that support this bipartisan selling off of our republic to make it a strictly one party system. That party- the Democrats because they are going to make these 12 million plus illegals their liberal base. I know there are a lot of Democrats just as upset as Republicans with this invasion of America. Both Democrats and Republicans should contact their representatives to show their distaste of the Selling of America. "

    HERE WE GO AGAIN wrote on Jun 8, 2007 2:43 PM:" Now American woman lumps the Catholic Church together with La Raza. Yep, .... Nothing like good old fashioned racism and bigotry, huh American woman? Fortunately, people like American woman have little or no influence. "

    Boxer Opposed it wrote on Jun 8, 2007 2:44 PM:" Boxer only opposed it because it restricted the illegals grandparents, aunts, uncles and brothers from being allowed to reunite with their illegal family members. "

    THINK AGAIN wrote on Jun 8, 2007 2:48 PM:" If anyone thinks that fine tuning of the current immigration bill amounts to dumping it, think again. The basics WILL PASS to include the legalization of all migrants now in this country plus provision for their families to join them. Oh yeah, there will be a token "tightening of the border." That's a sop for the rednecks and minuteklan to chew on. "

    HEARTENING NEWS wrote on Jun 8, 2007 2:52 PM:" I am heartened and encouraged by the strong showing of religious and civic organizations in supporting the legalization and support of migrants. The migrants do indeed need legal assistance and advice provided by competent lawyers to protect them from bullies and racists. It's about time! It's time to jail the vigilantes who abuse helpless people and to sue those who recklessly and viciously smear migrant advocacy organizations! "

    The French wrote on Jun 8, 2007 3:07 PM:" are closing their borders and deporting illegals, why? Because they found out the hard way it doesn't work. So what does bush want? North American Union, modeled after the one that doesn't work in Europe. How stupid are these people? "

    WTH wrote on Jun 8, 2007 3:09 PM:" What part of "ILLEGAL" do people not understand??? This country is so butt-backwards. We can't or won't take care of the our homeless, some which are veterans of this country, we send our young American men to war (and possibly die), but yet, we let ILLEGALS live in this country off our money - yes, I'm talking about those on welfare, medi-cal, and don't speak a lick of English. And true, they maybe hard workers, but do they pay taxes??? And why is it that to get a job now-a-days, you have to speak spanish?? WTH??? They want to be in this country so bad and be treated like Americans, then they need to learn to speak English. "

    TO : WHAT BALONEY wrote on Jun 8, 2007 3:15 PM:" I am still active duty military, and I grew up in Southern California. I only posted once today, and I am very happy that this bill failed. I do not approve of Socialist Groups as described in this story. I have spent much of my military career guarding other country’s borders, and I feel it is way past time to secure our own borders. R/ S "

    This bill has wrote on Jun 8, 2007 3:28 PM:" done more to destroy Republicans and Democrats that wish to run for President than any other measure, including the war. Bring it back and more politicans will be destroyed. My advise to the Republicans stay as far away as you can from bush. "

    Bill wrote on Jun 8, 2007 3:29 PM:" When the ship has a leak in it's hull you don't sit up top side arguing the various merits of H2O. You go down and plug the leak. Then you can debate the various merits if bailing water out or determine if you need to. This entire round of legislative rope-a-dope has convinced me that I am pulling levers against EVERY SINGLE INCUMBANT...PERIOD Fix the border, enforce the current laws and after (and only after) you demonstrate the ability, willingness and consistent execution of steps 1 and 2 will I want to hear a word about steps 3 for 47 "

    Elizabeth S. wrote on Jun 8, 2007 3:30 PM:" I joined the bi-partisan "Americans for Legal Immigration". We desire more control of illegal immigration and border Security. The actions of the President and Kyl-McCain-Kennedy is criminal. Yesterday Our senators voted something like 59-36 against securing the border and enforcing the law. This bill is the first step to the destruction of America. Wake up America! We are loosing our country! We are being betrayed. I'm not exaggerating. "

    Glenn wrote on Jun 8, 2007 3:36 PM:" After decades of being lied to, the American People finally have had enough. This time they weren't buying the lies. They knew this was amnesty. They knew the Mexicans would be given a free ride and the border would be left open and they told their Senators so. And they knew their country and Western Civilization was at stake. "

    End it all wrote on Jun 8, 2007 4:05 PM:" Look, this is very simple. Punish heavily the idiots who are hiring the illegals, and force them to fire all the illegals they have hired. If nobody hires these criminals, they will not make any money and they will go home with their tail between their legs. See, it's simple, NOW DO IT !!!!! "

    JB wrote on Jun 8, 2007 4:09 PM:" To What Baloney: What proof do you have that all these posts are from the same person? I have no association with the military, yet I am against illegal immigration as are quite a number of others I know. I think a majority of Americans favor legalization of migrants here legally, not those that are here illegally. "

    Nah I think it is wrote on Jun 8, 2007 4:16 PM:" time to jail that want to aide and abet criminal aliens. "

    SMEAR migrant advocacy groups? wrote on Jun 8, 2007 4:23 PM:" GET REAL. They are supporting CRIMINALS who are breaking the laws of America and La Raza and the rest of them want to REWARD them with citizenship? I don't think so! "

    Time for the La Raza bigots wrote on Jun 8, 2007 4:29 PM:" and there supporters to realize the American people are alot stronger than the protest marches by illegals and their supporters. It comes down to this, we the CITIZENS ask the politicans do you want amnesty for illegals or do you want them deported and you get to keep your comfy job with all of the beneies? Every politican I have ever known would say adios amigos, border that away! "

    dean wrote on Jun 8, 2007 4:47 PM:" Yes! The people have spoken. Now we need the Wasington nuckle heads, McCain and Kennedy to see what most Americans see. Illegals will leave in droves when we have enforcement on employers. Washington bumbles everything they touch... and our freedom is at stake because America is being sold to the highest bidder. "

    Boo McCain wrote on Jun 8, 2007 4:49 PM:" Republicans should boo John McCain whenever he speaks at a Presidential. Boo so loud that no one can hear what he says because he obviously can hear what American citizens are saying. No Amnesty John. Fine and Jail illegals employers that is all you need to do. "

    Thank Teddy for starting this lunacy way back when. wrote on Jun 8, 2007 4:49 PM:" Why isn't their website named honestly? Shouldn't it be www.ILLEGALimmigrants(whocouldcarelessboutAmerica)sandiego.org? (Notice that it has an ".org" meaning that it is ANOTHER non-profit organization now out there for lawbreakers. Oh well, according to one of our Cat-in-the-Hat esteemed senators, document-forging & identity theft doesn't count as a crime anymore--but ONLY if you're illegally here; it you're an AMERICAN citizen and do this, stand by for felony charges.) "

    We need, wrote on Jun 8, 2007 5:44 PM:" A group to protect American Citizens. From this illegal alien invasion. This is after all the United Sates of America. We need the border fence and more Border Patrol Agents. Protect our workers from illegal aliens taking low wages. Protect our children from illegal alien kids speaking spanish in the classroom thus depriving our kids of a good education. Protect our hospitals from non paying illegal aliens. Protect our street from over crowding and unlicensed and uninsured drivers. Protect our Citizens from illegal alien crime. No more free money and welfare. No more jobs, housing and they will go home. Just uphold the law against an illegal alien invasion. "

    jon wrote on Jun 8, 2007 5:48 PM:" What happen to the illegal immigrant who have finish high school and cant go to collage because of status in country also how do illegal immigrants pay all taxes they owes when they get paid below minimum wage some don’t even get paid "

    Tony wrote on Jun 8, 2007 6:12 PM:" To What Baloney: You are sadly mistaken as to who posts these comments I am a Hispanic-AMERICAN and I am in the military living in the state of Washington I was raised in San Diego and I to agree that ILLEGAL immigrants must be sent back. To think that these people try and confuse the public by making the word immigrant and illegal one and the same is an insult to legal immigrants that obeyed the law. "

    I agree all these post baloney wrote on Jun 8, 2007 6:28 PM:" I don't think they represent majority of Americans. I also think that it's the same people (if not one person) trying to change the reality of public opinion. Majority of Americans are not that cruel. They want to legalize people that help them take care of their elderly, clean their lawns, serve them in their restaurants, pick their crop, etc. Majority of Americans want to find ways to meet supply with demand of unskilled labor without exploiting people. Majority of Americans are reasonable and kind people. The people (person) that posts here does NOT represent majority of America. I think the bill that just failed offered real hope for our immigration system and for our country. A lot of efford was put into it and it should not be allowed to die. Our senators should get their act together and start to represent American people that voted for them. We cannot enforce the law that does not work. We need a new law. LET'S GET IT DONE! "

    change wrote on Jun 8, 2007 6:55 PM:" this entire blog is infested with racists, these ppl who come here to provide a better life for their family are no different than your forefathers who came to america to with the said intentions. Now i do not agree to legalizing felons, but i do completely support legalization of immigrations who have become a great part of american economy and have been law abiding citizens (which most are)...the ppl who feel the america will flourish without these immigrants are just plain stupid. You cannot deport over 12million ppl and rip them out of the life they have created here...what sense does it make...what harm does it do to make these ppl legal? i mean seriously ...americans do not realize how important they are to this country....the economy would completely crash without them....be careful what you wish for... "

    Wesley wrote on Jun 8, 2007 6:58 PM:" Milwaukee Cop of 5 years is found to be illegal alien with Fake I.D. May 2007! And that is in Wisconsin, how many in Southern California? "

    Wesley wrote on Jun 8, 2007 7:04 PM:" We should require the country of origin to pay the paperwork, housing, medical costs of the individual, in this manor incouraging greater immigration. If each city & state received $5,000.00 minimum for each person upon arrival, more would be incouraged. "

    Wesley wrote on Jun 8, 2007 7:05 PM: " Another choice would be for the churches that wish to help out could pay/sponsor immigrants from parish donations. "

    Tom wrote on Jun 8, 2007 7:27 PM: " We did it! Today, “we the peopleâ€

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    .I agree wrote on Jun 8, 2007 10:47 PM:" with Nick. Deport all the pro illegal alien supporters along with the illegal aliens. "

    American wrote on Jun 8, 2007 11:04 PM:" It's amazing to see the prejudice, narrow-mindedness, and stupidity on here regarding immigration. If any of you are in the military, then you must know how many of those serving are Latino's. "

    Madam Patriot wrote on Jun 8, 2007 11:06 PM:" to dave from oceanside @ 12:40PM, thanks for the info. This info needs to be posted on more national sites so people can get the ball rolling on this. Great idea from an earlier post! "

    Will wrote on Jun 9, 2007 12:17 AM:" What part of illegal do people not understand. My wife is a citizen of another country, she is here legally, I repeat legally. We went through 5 years of INS hell to get her here legally. What makes these people south of the border any more privilege than her. I grew up in a small city in southwestern Kansas which has a very large mix of mexican people. Some of these people were very good people, but most unfortunately were trash. They would try to get what they could for nothing. They would only work if there was no other way to get what they wanted. You could not leave anything sit in your yard because they would come and steal it. Untill the year of 2000 I was non comitial about mexicans coming into this country untill I saw an incident at the INS office in Moscow. There I saw a highly educated couple with 2 childern crying. Can anyone guess why they were crying? They were crying because the INS has rejected their application for a visa to come to America. Here is 2 highly educated people who was willing to be an asset to America being rejected, but yet, the liberals of this country are fighting to let a bunch of illiterate people south of the border (here illegally no less) become citizens of this country. I could go on and on about the illegals molesting children here in this country, the rapeing of women, the drunk driving and killing americans on our highways and the gang activities killing people here. I think we could vastly improve america by deporting LIBERALS. Will "

    Escondodo wrote on Jun 9, 2007 3:47 AM:" Sorry, Baloney, most of us have lives and only post once per lame article. We live it, we know the drill. We are becoming very weary of this constant assault on common sense. Your tired old rant just doesn't have the power to move your cause forward. The death of this misconceived bill should send you a clue. McCain is becoming a laughingstock. If this blog wasn't annonymous, I would gladly stand up and be counted here. One citizen, one vote. "

    ~Sighhhh~...Yet ANOTHER poll... wrote on Jun 9, 2007 8:04 AM:" Yanno, the jig is up, folks. This poll will probably turn out to be much like every other one we see in that less than 1000 people were asked skewed questions to make it sound like most American citizens want uneducated people who come from lawless countries (thereby bringing that lawlessness mentality here to our country) legalized just because they want to work here, yet if it were put to LEGAL voters, we?d have another landslide a la Prop. 187.***There are numerous unemotional, fact-filled, articulate articles out there that reflect how many people do NOT want illegals rewarded, but then we?re bombarded with being called racist, xenophobes, nativists, hate-filled, you name it when what we really are are law-abiding, taxpaying American citizens who, for the most part, play by the rules and would like uninvited guests to at least do the same. We are accused of ?spewing hate? when all we?re doing is stating facts and wanting our rights as an American citizen preserved.----What always gets lost are the facts of what illegals cost us, yet the favorite argument from the pro-illegal advocates is that illegals pay taxes. Really? Exactly how much fed & state are paid on minimum wage when you throw in the Earned Income Credit? Does anyone REALLY care to know what the cost to the state is for having a baby (OB care, delivery, & hospital stay without complications)? The cost would shock you. With that example alone, without going into all the other programs illegals can take advantage of, the math just doesn't lie. Uneducated equals low pay which means they will always be taking more than they could ever put in. Yet, even though hard statistics are released, we are told these are all falsehoods and outright lies in addition to being told that what we've experienced and seen with our own eyes just isn't true (i.e. classrooms with large percentages of Spanish-speakers, construction sites with hardly anyone who can speak English, fast-food places (where most of us and our kids got our starts in the working world while teenagers) where the person taking your order can barely speak English, etc.).---Additionally, we?re constantly having our intelligence insulted by hearing the mantra, ?They do the jobs Americans won?t do? yet WE were the ones doing these jobs before this invasion.----Then you have Enrique Morones on television telling Duncan Hunter that he is solely responsible for all the illegals who have died trying to cross the border because of the wall built in San Diego. I couldn?t believe my ears and the sheer stupidity of that statement. Nevermind that these people KNOW the perils and consequences that may await them on their journey, but we?re somehow blamed for Mexico not wanting to take care of their own citizens (yes, I know, I know--NAFTA created part of this, but let?s not forget the part Mexico?s elite plays in this, also).---This new group of advocates needs to stand up for America?s laws first and foremost; why is it OK for Mexico to secure its southern borders, but not the U.S.? And when did the ?rights of illegals? supplant the rights of American citizens? (Whoops, silly me, I remember now. It?s when many Latino groups teach their adherents that the United States really belongs to Mexico and have been led to believe that their presence in the USA is never illegal and that all of the ?European settlers? are really the interlopers. Therefore, the illegals should not only be allowed to enter the United States, but they must be given all of the resources of our country?free of charge.) "



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    Lyn S wrote on Jun 9, 2007 1:56 PM:" ....Oooooh....The illegal aliens live "in the shadows" because they are criminals who have no legal rights to be in America. They live "in the shadows" because they know they have based their entire life on LIES. To ask America to " legalize illegal immigrants, keep migrant families together and protect immigrants' rights" is against the basic moral values that U.S. citizens in America have been taught in their own families and through their education. To demand that U.S. citizens allow illegal aliens to take American benefits without having legally earned them is to ask Americans to abandon their moral values and principles. Stop using soft-edged code-words like "migrant" or "illegal immigrant" because they are only masking the TRUTH behind the illegality of those who have trespassed to gain entry into America. Numerous analytical studies from bonafide institutes have placed the pricetag on the illegal alien in the American workforce. The average wages in a year is $10,000 earned, while the benefits stolen from American citizens is more than $19,000. DO THE MATH and stop presenting biased information. All that American citizens hear from the pro-amnesty, family-unification group is based on emotional rhetoric void of compiled data. Why are you afraid of speaking the truth on your soapbox? Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels once boasted: "The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important .. to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth becomes the greatest enemy .." "

    NEW FLAG wrote on Jun 9, 2007 1:59 PM:" Hey, the stars and stripes will still fly under the North American Union! For Heaven sakes. Yes, it will fly. The flag of NAU (The North American Union) will take precedence over the stars and stripes of course because the NAU will be our new country. However, the stars and stripes can still be raised with the the old USA, much like the California Bear flag does now! "

    To RACISM wrote on Jun 9, 2007 2:00 PM:" Let me start with the obvious. After factoring in all of the countries that provide us with Illegal Aliens, between then 70 to 80% of the illegal is Hispanic, and the vast majority of the Hispanic Illegal Aliens come from Mexico. The remaining groups of Illegal Aliens come from China, and Asian countries. The few that are left come from Europe, Africa and Canada. You just do not see thousands of Chinese Illegal Aliens marching down the streets with Chinese flags. Now I am not prejudiced as I feel that any Illegal Aliens should be deported. A few hard working Immigrant families are cute, but unfortunately now we are talking about millions and millions of impoverished, uneducated, not medically screened, and desperate people who want to come here to make money and nothing more. I feel that overpopulation is the most important issue that the United States should be addressing. I do not feel that wanting to secure our borders is racist, as during my Military career I have lived in both China and India, and I know first hand the hardships that people endure when living in overpopulated countries. Let me go even one step further for you, in that I believe that we should declare every illegal alien already in this country a winner and let them stay, but I could only agree to that after our borders are fully secured and under our control. I am fully comfortable in my beliefs, and your calls of racism, and our very own governments calls of names is absolutely meaningless to me and others who share the same beliefs. You have to come up with something more substantial then name-calling. R/ Skip "

    to r/skip wrote on Jun 9, 2007 2:50 PM:" Ah, you've made up lots of things to support your position. Your claims are so false and inaccurate as to be laughable. I would suggest that you consult the Statistical Abstract of the United States, census data and other AUTHORITATIVE SOURCES before sounding off with such baloney. For example, "the vast majority come from Mexico" is not true ~ hey, anyone reading this, just check it out and see what the true facts are before swallowing this racist propaganda. As for being retired military, almost all retired military are right wing with a southern heritage and very predictable. They have the authoritative,military, yes sir mind-set. Wise up. "

    Flash: wrote on Jun 9, 2007 3:29 PM:" "New Push Promised For Immigration Bill Despite Big Hurdles". I've read all the above posts and as would be expected, they overwhelmingly applaud the failure of the Bush/ Senate immigration amnesty bill. I don't recall any of these blogs ever mentioning the skin color of the invaders and few even mention their country of origin, yet the two or three defenders of open border chaos use racism as their argument. This is the trash we'll be hearing from our elected officials in the near future; both parties. The left has been using the race card to whip what was formerly the Republican Party for years, now having been thoroughly thrashed, the remaining Rinos have decided; if ya can't beat'm, join'm. If you're one of the real Americans who wants to preserve our national sovereignty, and protect our standard of living from the hordes of third world peasants crossing our borders, be prepared to be assailed as a "racist", a "xenaphobe", and a "nativist". It's time to redouble our effort against these political sell-outs and hold them responsible. We need to start recall efforts and oppose any politician (Schwarzenegger, Villaragosa) who are pro-amnesty and open borders, and aspire to higher offices. God bless and preserve America. Mike America "

    On Skip's defense.... wrote on Jun 9, 2007 4:06 PM:" Ahhh, yes, the Statistical Abstract. Can't you just see all the illegals from Mexico (or south of that) just waiting in line raising their hands to tell a census-taker, "Oooh, me, pick me! I just want to let you know that I've come out from the shadows to tell you that I'm here illegally from Mexico so that your census figures will be accurate." So, DO tell us from where the majority of illegals hail, O Wiseperson of 2:50 p.m.---I, too, don't recall seeing hordes of other ethnic groups marching in our streets hoisting signs in Spanish and displaying the flags of Mexico and other Latin American countries...Maybe the marchers are confused about from which country they came???---. Gosh, when WILL those photographers & reporters get it right? Why didn't they TELL us that it's mostly white Europeans & Canadians who speak fluent Spanish who are coming across the Mexican border in droves?! We thought we were seeing something else! (Harumph, harumph, dangnabbit!) "

    Nick wrote on Jun 9, 2007 5:23 PM:" To Racist: Your Wrong! I'm Native American and brown and I want ALL those in this Country Illegaly deported. Does that make me a racist? Now if I said that the Government should pay us Natives the Billions owed or leave and take Arnold with you, now that might be a little racist. If I said that I hated your lilly white behind, that would definately be a racist statement. Notice the difference in the 3 sentences above. They should help you to determine if other bloggers statements are racist. That way you don't sound to racist when you are calling other people racist. "

    Catherine wrote on Jun 9, 2007 7:21 PM: " The bill is NOT DEAD. Bush, Rice and others are going to try and bring it back by next friday. The special interest groups have promised them to much. The alipac organization is fighting this traitorous bill S.1348. We're just Americans like you, Mad as H...! We are starting aknew. The Senators have to be reminded that we're still here and they will suffer consequences for betraying America and her people.We invite you to become involved. "

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    Tired cop! wrote on Jun 9, 2007 8:05 PM:" I am so sick and tired of being called a racist everytime I pull over a black or Hispanic. The windows are tinted and it is dark out, no way can I see in the car, but yet I still get accused of race profiling. Give it a rest people of color, it just pisses me off more and makes me write the citation. I understand people of color have suffered many setbacks over the years, however I do not work with one cop who looks for anyone based on race. Get over it folks! How about blaiming the people in your respective communities who victimize and commit crime. BLAME THEM for making the community biased. "

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    Skip wrote on Jun 9, 2007 8:25 PM:

    " I never said I was retired,as I am still Active Duty and born and raised in the Los Angeles Area, and if you are really interested, here are the real numbers : ORIGION OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS : 56% MEXICO, 22% OTHER LATIN AMERICA, 13% ASIA, 6% EUROPE AND CANADA, 3% AFRICA AND OTHER. I got that information from a government website, and if you add up Mexico and Latin America you get 78% Hispanic, and 22% all other. Yes some people may get confused as to the Mexican race and the Latin American Race, but hey we are not perfect. "

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    BUT IMMIGRANTS ALREADY HAVE ALL THE RIGHTS OF A CITIZEN, EXCEPT THE RIGHT TO VOTE..... no need for your COALTION!

    (psst: illegals have no rights except the right to busfare back across the border..)


    Those poor folks keep mis-translating American words like 'amnesty" and "immigrant"...

    amnesty does NOT mean pay a fine but keep the fruits of your crime

    immigrants by US Law code have to comply with standards such as:

    good character, no problems with the law, must have a sponsor who will guarantee that the immigrant will not become a burden to the taxpayer..

    they would not qualify perhaps in the normal immigration process, maybe that's why they come illegally...
    No soy de los que se dicen 'la raza'... Am not one of those racists of "The Race"

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    So glad that "Skip" posted those stats, otherwise I would've had to go back and head-slap 'em with the percentage breakdown.

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    RASPBERRY wrote on Jun 10, 2007 12:11 PM:

    " I award all the anti-migrant bloggers on here a large raspberry for blogging the same old, tired old, singsong baloney time after time after time. They see the issue as a race war, and that's obvious. It's US vs THEM. How simplistic and naive. Oh well, fortunately the raspberries belong to a group with no influence. The real movers and shakers are big business and the legislators and the President. They will decide the issue, not the raspberries! How will it finally be decided? ~~ Legalization of all migrants to include their families together with an expanded guest worker policy plus an easy path to naturalization!! "



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    " The Reason Was Simple — Public Outrage. wrote on Jun 8, 2007 7:33 PM: " How could the Senate amnesty bill have possibly failed? It was supported by the president, the majority party and prominent members of the minority, plus Big Business, Big Labor, Big Media, and Big Religion. And yet the motion Thursday night to end debate and move to a final vote on the bill was soundly rejected, failing to garner even a majority, let alone the necessary 60 votes. THE REASON WAS SIMPLE - PUBLIC OUTRAGE! " "

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