Thread: Immigration - there is in fact benefits

JRB said:

I think Fred Thompson said it the best.
What does it say for a Country when the Major Exported goods are Illegal Drugs and its Citizens.
I guess the question I have for (stanford4medesto) would be why cant these prosperous individuals make good in there own Country? I keep asking that question and it never gets answered.

JRB, also, if Mr. Stanford4modesto would give it more thought, he'd also wonder what it says about people who will steal into another person's country, then demand that we give them full rights as citizens, all the while stealing American citizens blind from every angle. Hope he does not get voted in, I think he will be a loose canon in that city council.

BTW, PhredE, I looked at his "MySpace" page (ooohhhh, so cool) and it says he had "0" friends and at that time no comments.

Then, you have to wonder.....what prompted him to come to our site out of the blue (was it good for his campaign to show how much of an anti-American illegal alien supporter he is)? What made him feel he had to leave this posting (maybe some illegal alien behind kissing is going on with this posting)?

Makes one wonder, doesn't it?

Originally Posted by stanford4modesto

I meant both - forgot to specify that.

Sorry, NO, illegal immigrants TAKE more than they contribute. Your liberal Stanford degree notwithstanding.

Originally Posted by camilleinchicago

No one doubts that LEGAL immigrants add to the economy. It is the effects of the ILLEGAL immigrants I am concerned about.

Good one Camille. Subtle hint eh? Too funny.

Nope, Mr. Stanford 4 Modesto, was the one pulling strings I believe on the posts at forum" Dream Act problem areas"

Despite trying to "sound" like a college student, he was a little too well primed and prepped in my opinion. Or he was some "plant."

[quote="stanford4modesto"]

Overall, immigrants comprise approximately one-third of the California labor force. Immigrants figure prominently in key economic sectors in California including agriculture, manufacturing and services.

(jobs that could be going to American teenagers, college students, older Americans who need a part-time job to pay for their expensive medications, men and women who want a second job to keep their mortgage current, ex-inmates who need a job to keep from going back into their former lifestyle...As far as agriculture goes, even illegals won't take those jobs anymore. Now those are jobs Americans AND illegals won't do)

Immigrants prove leadership and labor for the expansion of California's growing economic sectors – from telecommunications and information technology to health services and housing construction.

(the telecommunications, info technology and health services jobs usually go to LEGAL immigrants, and construction used to be considered skilled, and not unskilled like it is now, labor and used to also pay pretty good before illegals started taking those jobs too.)

Immigrants participate in the labor force at slightly higher rates than the national average. Approximately 90 percent of Latino and Asian immigrant men are employed.

(Notice this says "slightly higher rates". They are also much younger as a group)

Over the next 30 years, the children and grandchildren of immigrants will play an increasingly critical role in the state's economy. According to projections by the University of Southern California, there will be a nearly 60 percent increase in the labor force coming from the second generation of immigrant families.

(I can't wait to see where they all will live. Will the US have room for all these people? )

Immigrants are among California's most productive entrepreneurs, and have created jobs for tens of thousand of Californian. In San Jose alone, immigrant owners of technology companies created more than 58,000 jobs and generated more that $17 billion in sales during the late 1990s. Google, Sun Microsystems, eBay, and Yahoo! Are all companies that were founded or co-founded by immigrants.

(founded by illegals or LEGAL immigrants? There is a difference)

Immigrants pay into the system more than they use in services:

In California, the average immigrant-headed household contributes a net $2,679 annually to Social Security, which is $539 more than the average US-born household.

(What does this prove? How large are the "immigrant-headed households"? If my household consisted of myself, my husband, our brothers and sisters and their wives and husbands and assorted uncles we would be paying, as a household, much more than if our household consisted of just the two of us- and many, many illegals don't pay a dime.)

Since most immigrants are under 65 years of age, as a group they are net contributors to this large federal program. Social security, along with Medicare, works to keep older Americans out of poverty.

(and if made legal through amnesty, they will bleed the system dry when they are over 65 years of age - or are they going to stay young forever?)

According to US Census data, the average US born Californian receives a total of $1,212 annually in cash benefits from programs such as Social Security, SSI, TANF, and other programs. Non-citizens received only $474 annually in public benefits.

(aren't anchor babies "average US born Californians" or are they now considered "non citizens"? This just proves the anchor babies receive more than their illegal parents. If Americans and their American children, along with anchor babies are being put in the first group, while just the illegals are being put in the second group, it would appear that illegals don't take as much as they give. $474 annually? Is the cost of having anchor babies added in? Or the cost of illegals who use the hospitals as doctor offices and never pay?)

Immigrants in California pay approximately $4.5 billion in state taxes each year; their federal tax contribution is more than $30 billion annually.

(Legal or illegal? Illegal aliens tend to work under the table and don't pay taxes to either the federal or state gov't, or are using stolen SSNs or made-up SSNs and don't need to file. Why wasn't this split between what legal and illegal immigrants pay into the system, including the majority who dont have taxes taken out and don't file, and give us an average of the amount paid in that wasn't given back as a refund because they have so many anchor babies that qualify as dependents)

Overall, 19 percent of California's foreign born lived in poverty in 2000, compared to 10 percent of whites. Nevertheless, they tend to be net contributors to government programs at both the federal and state levels.

(again, legal or illegal foreign-born? And why are the foreignors being compared to "whites" Why not compare to "non-foreign born". Are they afraid that if non-white non-foreign borns where counted, there would be a lower percentage of foreign born living in poverty, and it doesn't look good if more non-foreign born people are living in poverty in their own country?)

Immigrants often require the most assistance immediately upon arrival to the United States. As immigrants reside in the state for a longer period of time, they are less likely to use services and more likely to contribute significant amounts.

(aren't legal immigrants still required to prove they are self-sufficient?)

Immigrants are a vibrant force in California's changing demographics:

More than one-quarter of all California residents are foreign born, a rate higher than any other state in the United States. According to the 2000 Census, 9 million Californians are immigrants.

(and this is a good thing?)

39 % of California's foreign-born immigrants are U.s. citizens.

(and 61% aren't!)

Of the 8.8 million foreign-born in California, 3.3 million are legal permanent residents.

(and 5.5 million are not)

Immigrants and their children comprise nearly half of our state's population and live in virtually all of California's 58 counties, with major concentrations in Los Angeles and the greater San Francisco Bay Area.

(What is the point?)

The number of immigrants choosing California as their destination is leveling; those who decide to stay are staying longer. As immigrants remain in the U.S., poverty rates among them decrease, home ownership rises and immigrants become more invested in their schools, communities and neighborhoods.

(are they volunteering to teach ESL? Are they calling the police when they see a crime being commited or know someone who commited a crime? Do they clean up the trash left at the border by their family/freinds/coworkers as they sneak across the border? Do Americans not own homes and invest in their communities and neighborhoods?)

Throughout California, immigrants speak more than 250 distinct languages. Approximately 40 percent of Californians speak another language other than English at home.

(This explains why English-speaking children are receiving inferior educations and enter college (when they can afford it) unprepared. 250 distint languages, 40% of those being spoken to schoolchildren at home. When/where do these kids practice the English they are being taught in school at great expense to taxpayers and the gov't? Just at school? Just when overloaded teachers take precious class time to teach it? With the summer off so they can forget what they may have learned? And then the parents and their lawyers can complain that ESL is underfunded and not working?)

Most non-citizens live in families that are also comprised of citizens. Nearly 90 percent of Latino non-citizens live in households with citizens, while nearly 80 percent of Asians live in mixed status families. (Yeah, the citizens are called anchor-babies)

Statistics can be twisted to sound any way the writer wants. This writer obviously wanted the statistics to "prove" how wonderful immigrants (including illegals) are.

Thanks for dissecting that for us Steph!!

Funny how Stanford4Modesto left out the crime rate stats on his glowing tribute to illegals, he's just another hit and run troll.

Head 'em up,move 'em out Rawhide!

Originally Posted by Rawhide

Funny how Stanford4Modesto left out the crime rate stats on his glowing tribute to illegals, he's just another hit and run troll.

Head 'em up,move 'em out Rawhide!

Its too difficult to disect the OBL's post, because one again they fail to make a distiction between ILLEGAL and LEGAL.

But let me just say......ILLEGAL immigrants are positively, without question an economic and social DRAIN -- by far without question.......

ILLEGAL immigrants are mostly employed...Well yes, they come to take jobs at a cheaper rate that Americans -- thereby draining the wages of American born males at a rate of $1,700 anually, and 7,4% for the working poor. THEY DO NOT CONTRIBUTE MORE THAN THEY PUT INTO THE SYSTEM. Because they take dirt cheap wages, they qualify for welfare and other social services -- COSTING $30 BILLION a year in the social services they consume. And because MANY do not pay income taxes, we lose $35 BILLION A YEAR IN LOST TAX REVENUE. A cumulative cost of 65 BILLION A YEAR -- the cost of a Katrina every 3 years. Those who do pay income taxes are guilty of using fake SS#s and identity fraud. And if you want to argue "jobs Americans won't do," Americans account for the vast majority of EVERY FIELD OF EMPLOYMENT IN OUR ECONOMY. And if you want to argue that we save on the goods produced using illegal labor -- we could raise wages in the indusry by 40% and an average family of four would pay only TEN DOLLARS for ALL of the produce consumed for AN ENTIRE YEAR.

Just look at Los Angeles to see what illegals do to an economy, and social fabric of a community.

Illegals have reintroduced diseases into this nation that were long ago eradicated, including TB, Malaria, hepetitus, and even Leprosy. 82 hospitals in California have closed due to illegal immigrants packing the ERs.

According to Jorge Boosh, among the illegals detained by ICE from 2000-2005: ONE IN TWELVE HAD CRIMINAL RECORDS. 29% of our federal prison population are illegal immigrants. Illegals are primarily resposible for making ARIZONA the leading state in crime according to the FBI. MS-13 and the 18th Street gang are illegal immigrant gangs and are the bloodiest in Los Angeles history. Illegals are primarily responsible for the rise in gang violence -- the only violent crime on the rise.

Lets also not forget that 58% of Mexicans believe the American SW belongs to Mexico. And other Zogby poll results reflect a very anti American attitude in Mexico against Americans. Racist Mexican activist organizations openly call for retaking the region for Mexico, as does the Mexican government....The same Mexican government that promotes dual citizenship for ALL of Mexican background, and a "Mexico first" attitude for them. They openly say they are strengthening their political influence within the USA, and their embassy's print text books for our school promoting Mexican nationalism and the Mexican side of the Mexican War. And how about when illegals pack American stadiums to boo our national anthem, and tear apart our flag, and throw onjects at our players???

Oh yeah, and the border in Arizona has been turned into a virtual land-fill with garbage, plastic botles, back-packs and clothing, and human waste litttered all across once pristine land. They assault people, break into homes, and kill their dogs to silence them. Drug wars are waged in this region, Meth labs are set up all along the border. And when BP confronts the Drug Lords, they are shot at by Mexican military on our soil........

But the OP is right.....NO PROBLEMO!!!!!!