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The immigration revolution: can Europe be the same with different people in it?

By Ed West Politics Last updated: July 8th, 2009

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Something explosive is about to hit the British political arena, a book with ideas so shocking it will change the debate on the most important issue in European politics.

For years, the European political class have told their peoples that mass immigration was beneficial, inevitable and historically precedented. It enriched our lives, it boosted our economy, it made us better people morally and it was a continuation of our countries’ histories of immigration, and anyone who disagrees is a racist bigot. The ruling class kitted the emperor out in his fancy new clothes and if people could not see them then there was something wrong with their eyes.

Well, the emperor is butt-naked and Financial Times journalist Christopher Caldwell is the little boy. The publication of his book Reflections on the Revolution in Europe is a pivotal moment in the debate on immigration, and it heralds the start of a new era - an acceptance by the political mainstream that our system isn’t working, and that while a multi-racial society can work, the more multi-racial it is the less well it functions.

Caldwell is a reasonable, moderate man who has studied Europe and Islam for a decade, which makes his conclusions all the more astonishing. He argues that mass immigration and the formation of large ethnic bodies makes us unhappier as people, it damages rather than helps the economy, and threatens the basic principles of freedom. Most alarming of all, he shows just how deluded are those liberal thinkers who believe large Muslim immigrant communities can be assimilated into Europe, especially a hedonistic atheist Europe which has recently adopted values at odds with the rest of humanity.

Immigration of the sort we’ve had since the war is simply unprecedented. Part of the propaganda pumped out by the establishment is that Britain is a nation of immigrants. But, as Calwell writes: “Aside from the invasions of Angles, Saxons, and Jutes that started in the fourth century AD - and which brought, at the very most, 250,000 new settlers over a period of several centuries - British ’stock’ has changed little. Only about 10,000 people arrived with the Norman Conquest. Tens of thousands more Huguenots came after the revocation of the Edict of Nantes in 1685. But, all told, three-quarters of the ancestors of contemporary Britons and Irish were already present in the British Isles 7,500 years ago. DNA from people who arrived after that makes up only 12 per cent of the Irish gene pool.â€

This is the crap they feed us, we are all immigrants..what bull most of were born here or our familys came with the Mayflower or sometime in between, that means we are NOT immigrants....

They feed us lies and we believe them, it is time for that too change, we are not immigrants and we are not racists, we can not allow them to get away with this rehtoric any longer...what we are now is MAD AS HELL for foisting all of these illegal immigrants on us for at least the second time!! NO MORE AMNESTIES!!! ESPECIALLY WHEN MILLIONS OF AMERICANS ARE OUT OF WORK>>> and never again so many from one country who refuse to assimilate.

July 30, 2009
Books of The Times

A Turning Tide in Europe as Islam Gains Ground

By DWIGHT GARNER

REFLECTIONS ON THE REVOLUTION IN EUROPE
Immigration, Islam, and the West
By Christopher Caldwell
422 pages. Doubleday. $30.

Christopher Caldwell’s “Reflections on the Revolution in Europe: Immigration, Islam, and the Westâ€

"The Great Invasion: Mexico Recovers Its Own"

Excelsior (Mexico City) Columnist Carlos Loret de Mola

July 20, 1982

Los Angeles, California. This is the second largest Mexican city in the world for the number of our compatriots settled there, and it must have as many Spanish-speakers as Madrid. The Anglo-Saxons are still the most numerous and there are a lot of Negroes, but the numerical advance of Mexicans is astonishing. Ten movie houses at once show the Cantinflas comedy "El Barrendero." On the streets one has the impression of a great Mexican city. "La Opinion," with a circulation of 60,000 copies, is one of three daily newspapers in Spanish in this enormous country. When did the Mexicanization of Los Angeles happen?
It has been a sociological phenomenon of tremendous implications.

A peaceful mass of people, hardworking, carries out slowly and patiently an unstoppable invasion, the most important in human history. You cannot give me a similar example of such a large migratory wave by an ant-like multitude, stubborn, unarmed, and carried on in the face of the most powerful and best-armed nation on earth.

But neither barbed-wire fences, nor aggressive border guards, nor campaigns, nor laws, nor police raids against the undocumented, have stopped this movement of the masses that is unprecedented in any part of the world.

In 1950 they were called "Pachucos" (half-breeds); today they are called "Chicanos." They have marked social and family characteristics, agility for adapting to the environment and for conquering a great region, once primitive and virgin, that belonged to our fatherland, and we lost it. But it seems to be slowly returning to the jurisdiction of Mexico without the firing of a single shot, nor requiring the least diplomatic action, by means of a steady, spontaneous, and uninterrupted occupation.

These are not assault troops. Nor are they potentates who take over a territory through economic power and purchase of properties. they are a mass of workers, artisans, women, and students who arrive to reinforce the base of the common people and the human virtues of this society in California. Much like them, despised and persecuted, were the humble Christians in the sovereign empire of Rome; but the meek brought down the Caesars and established -- for some 2,000 years now -- their own style of life over those all-powerful enslavers of the ancient world.

There is a great difference in circumstances. Today we perceive as powerful those who control and manage U.S. society; and it seems crazy to dare to believe it, but let's not forget that great social movements, and changes in social structure, were done by populist forces, so long as they knew how to work together.

The United States is the richest and best organized country in the world, within the limitations of its capitalist system. Its industrial power and way of living absorbs immigrants and readily converts them to nationals. But the Mexicans in the southern part of this nation continue to be Mexican and even to impress their personality on their surroundings, in limited proportions and yet every growing.

Usually they take low-paying jobs; nevertheless, they put such industry, will-power, and self-interest into their job efforts -- precisely because of unequal status in a hostile and deprecatory ambience -- that they end up making themselves indispensable.

California society does not dare to suppress them. The efforts of misguided authorities to expel them always end in failure. They (the Chicanos) are a social and physical reality that cannot be uprooted.

The U.S. upper classes in the western states live in increasing splendor. Their apogee of luxury and comfort doubtlessly marks the inevitable beginning of their decadence. The Mexican invasion continues.

Who are they? They are those who have a great capacity to take risks, the more ambitions, those with more character, the strongest from the rural and suburban areas of their4 home country. A human current of natural selection flows out of Mexico and settles down in the United states, where a second selection takes place. those who are selected must meet two tests: that of leaving, with fortitude, their family and society and giving up familiar ways and customs; and then that of having the character to adapt to new working conditions. A human current with these qualitie4s, if it can succeed in maintaining itself united and coherent, will end by winning. It's a question of time.

The territory lost in the 19th century by a Mexico torn by internal strife and under centralist dictatorships led by paranoid chiefs, like Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna, seems to be restoring itself through a humble people who go on settling various zones that once were ours on the old maps.

Land, under any concept of possession, ends up in the hands of those who deserve it. All of us Mexicans should prove ourselves worthy of what we have and what we want. The problem is one or organization.

And those humble Mexicans - the braceros, the "wetbacks," the undocumented, teach us with their example of tough, iron-like character and their spirit of great adventure how to overcome a hostile environment. Let us imitate them from within the Mexico that belongs to us.

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Thanks for posting that article from 1982, T2S. It made me sick to read it, but it is necessary to have documentation of the full truth of their intentions. And to think that in 1982 there was only a fraction of the number of invaders who are here now. It is so sickening that our nation has practically committed suicide in allowing this to happen, for decades. Decades! Right in front of our eyes.

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"Thanks for posting that article from 1982, T2S"

It was referenced at the site where I found the NYT book review. If you don't know the American Patrol site, builditnow, it has an excellent daily listing of stories pertaining to illegal immigration and related topics:
http://www.americanpatrol.com

Originally Posted by Texas2step

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"Thanks for posting that article from 1982, T2S"

It was referenced at the site where I found the NYT book review. If you don't know the American Patrol site, builditnow, it has an excellent daily listing of stories pertaining to illegal immigration and related topics:
http://www.americanpatrol.com

Thanks T2S, I'll check it out.