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    IMPORTANT: OBL wants to sink the SAVE Act.

    From FIRM:

    http://fairimmigration.wordpress.com/20 ... -save-act/

    SINK the SAVE ACT
    April 01, 2008,

    Join David Neiwert, and countless other individuals in sinking the SAVE Act. David wrote a great post at Firedoglake on reasons we all need to speak out against the SAVE act,

    If there were political booby prizes handed out each year — something like the Razzies for the Beltway set — the award for Worst Legislation Proposed by a Democrat this year would have to go to Heath Shuler’s misbegotten “[b]SAVE Act, an attempt to pass a “deportation onlyâ€

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    More information from FIRM regarding the SAVE Act:

    http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/80847/


    There has been some previous discussion of the manifold problems created by Shuler's bill, notably by Digby, who explained that the bill:

    [T]throws even more police power at Homeland Security, tons of money at police agencies, both militarizes AND privatizes the border (a neat trick), empowers the IRS to share information with other agencies and creates a new federal database that contains information about every American worker.
    It's filled with all kinds of neat new requirements for all people who work for a living. If you are a person with two jobs, like a lot of people, I'm sure you'll enjoy this:
    Notification of Multiple Uses of Individual Social Security Numbers
    Prior to crediting any individual with concurrent earnings from more than one employer, the Commissioner of Social Security shall notify the individual that earnings from two or more employers are being reported under the individual's social security account number. Such notice shall include, at a minimum, the name and location of each employer and shall direct the individual to contact the Social Security Administration to submit proof that the individual is the person to whom the social security account number was issued and, if applicable, to submit, either in person or via electronic transmission, a pay stub or other documentation showing that such individual is employed by both or all employers reporting earnings to that social security account number.


    The National Immigration Law Center has a complete rundown of the bill's provisions and the issues at play here. Among other things, SAVE would:



    Expand the problem-plagued Basic Pilot electronic employment eligibility verification system (recently rebranded "E-Verify" by the U.S. Dept. of Homeland Security, or DHS) into a nationwide mandatory program for all employers and workers in the economy.
    Convert the Social Security Administration (SSA) "no-match" letter program into a blunt immigration enforcement tool by requiring employers to fire workers with mismatched information unless the workers can fix the problem within 10 days (70 percent of errors in SSA's database pertain to U.S. citizens).
    Require all individuals who work for more than one employer at the same time to provide proof of employment to SSA before their Social Security account can be credited.
    Override current confidentiality of tax and Social Security information by dumping all reported anomalies such as multiple use of a Social Security number (SSN) and mismatches into a DHS database while providing few if any protections against misuse of such information.
    Continue the exponential but ineffective increase in the number of Border Patrol agents that we have seen in recent years without providing for any balancing protections needed to hold the government accountable for reported abusive practices.


    Continue to pour even more money into infrastructure and technological gadgetry along the southern border without addressing the problems of mismanagement that have tainted the massive contracts that have been let in recent years.
    Expand the scope of activity that can be prosecuted as "alien smuggling" and narrow the protections from such prosecution enjoyed by religious workers.
    Provide incentives for more state and local police to enforce immigration laws. (Police nationwide have been reluctant to embrace such enforcement because it detracts from their core mission of preventing crime and catching criminals.)
    Continue the recent unprecedented increase in immigration incarceration capacity from 27,500 to 35,500 beds while providing for none of the reforms that human rights advocates have urged in response to well-documented abuses in current detention facilities.

    It's also worth remembering, of course, that not only is SAVE endorsed by the Tancredo wing of the GOP, it also enjoys the avid support of FAIR -- recently designated a hate group by the SPLC -- but also such like-minded souls as the David Duke and Stormfront factions.



    "We know that the anti-immigrant folks are definitely stirring the pot on this," says Martinez. "And we know that the strategy on the Republican side to force the discharge petition right before recess was definitely to create that environment."

    The current problem, however, lies within the Democratic Emanuel-Shuler faction. "What we've heard is that they keep saying to people to go visit them -- that in conversations they can be more upfront, and that's that they need a vote on something. And that's the pressure to get on board with Shuler -- that's the only vote out there.

    "That takes us back to the mother of all conversations on immigration -- that when you have a leadership that is not articulating that position and working with its members to articulate its position, you either allow your enemy to define you, which is Republicans are doing by trying to label them soft on immigration, or you allow somebody who has no taste for the substance and is a freshman to be dragging the whole party."

    Republicans, Martinez says, are going to put the squeeze on vulnerable Democrats in the coming weeks. And that's where ordinary citizens come in.

    As we suggested, check the following list for representatives within your district or state to whom you can write or phone. (Folks from Pennsylvania and Tennessee will have their work cut out for them.) If there isn't anyone who fits, feel free to write any or all of those listed in any event. Rather than use any kind of boilerplate, voice your opposition in your own words (and feel free to explore any of the above links to help).

    A number of those listed are vulnerable -- notably Jerry McNerney, Kristin Gillibrand, Jim Matheson, Ron Klein, Paul Kanjorski, Jason Altmire, and Steve Kagen, all of whom have tough races this fall (Kanjorski, in fact, is running against a rabid nativist). For most of these, simply hearing from constituents and donors who oppose SAVE will give them reason to stand tough, especially if we help them think about how they can frame the immigration debate in a forward-looking way.



    Some of them -- notably Paul Hodes, Joe Sestak, and Patrick Murphy -- are good guys who should be relatively willing to listen to these concerns. One of them -- Leonard Boswell -- faces a tough primary challenge from a more progressive Democrat (Matthew Grimm at Down With Tyranny has much more on Boswell's race with Ed Fallon; it seems likely that contacting Fallon could be productive as well). Mark Udall is running for the Senate; and Bud Davis has announced he's retiring; both should be responsive to pleas to do the right thing here. Likewise, Artur L. Davis -- despite his close proximity to Emanuel politically -- is bucking for a spot with the Democratic Caucus Leadership, so he should listen to constructive pressure from progressives. And of course, there are Blue Dogs and really not-very-progressive Dems on the list: Allen Boyd, Sanford Bishop, Jim Marshall, Melissa Bean, Baron Hill, Charles Melancon, Bart Stupak, David Boren, and Zachary Space. Your mileage may vary regarding the effectiveness of contacting them, but it never hurts for them to hear from the progressive side.

    Others are fence-sitters who don't face particularly tough challenges this fall: Marion Berry, Mike Ross, Ed Perlmutter, Peter Visclosky, Michael Arcuri, Brian Higgins, Tim Ryan, Robert Brady, John Murtha, Tim Holden, Lincoln Davis, Jim Cooper, Gordon Bart, John Tanner, Ciro Rodriguez, Rick Boucher, and Brian Baird. These folks will probably need the most bucking up of any group.

    The important thing is to make contact and let them hear that there are plenty of Americans, plenty of their constituents, who want them to do the right thing and get a spine in the face of this kind of destructive legislation.
    The list:



    ALABAMA
    5th District:
    Robert E. (Bud) Cramer Jr.
    2184 Rayburn House Office Building 2184 RHOB
    Washington, D.C., District of Columbia 20515-0105
    Phone: (202) 225-4801
    Fax: (202) 225-4392



    7th District:
    Artur Davis
    208 Cannon House Office Building 208 CHOB
    Washington, D.C., District of Columbia 20515-0107
    Phone: (202) 225-2665
    Fax: (202) 226-9567

    ARKANSAS
    1st District:
    Marion Berry
    2305 Rayburn House Office Building 2305 RHOB
    Washington, D.C., District of Columbia 20515-0401
    Phone: (202) 225-4076
    Fax: (202) 225-5602



    4th District:
    Mike Ross
    314 Cannon House Office Building 314 CHOB
    Washington, D.C., District of Columbia 20515-0404
    Phone: (202) 225-3772
    Fax: (202) 225-1314

    CALIFORNIA
    11th District:
    Jerry McNerney
    312 Cannon House Office Building 312 CHOB
    Washington, D.C., District of Columbia 20515-0511
    Phone: (202) 225-1947
    Fax: (202) 225-4060



    COLORADO
    2nd District:
    Mark Udall
    100 Cannon House Office Building 100 CHOB
    Washington, D.C., District of Columbia 20515-0602
    Phone: (202) 225-2161
    Fax: (202) 226-7840

    7th District:
    Ed Perlmutter
    415 Cannon House Office Building 415 CHOB
    Washington, D.C., District of Columbia 20515-0607
    Phone: (202) 225-2645
    Fax: (202) 225-5278



    FLORIDA
    2nd District:
    F. Allen Boyd
    1227 Longworth House Office Building 1227 LHOB
    Washington, D.C., District of Columbia 20515-0902
    Phone: (203) 225-5235
    Fax: (202) 225-5615

    22nd District:
    Ron Klein
    313 Cannon House Office Building 313 CHOB
    Washington, D.C., District of Columbia 20515-0922
    Phone: (202) 225-3026
    Fax: (202) 225-8398



    GEORGIA
    2nd District:
    Sanford D. Bishop Jr.
    2429 Rayburn House Office Building 2429 RHOB
    Washington, D.C., District of Columbia 20515-1002
    Phone: (202) 225-3631
    Fax: (202) 225-2203

    8th District:
    Jim Marshall
    504 Cannon House Office Building 504 CHOB
    Washington, D.C., District of Columbia 20515-1003
    Phone: (202) 225-6531
    Fax: (202) 225-3013



    ILLINOIS
    8th District:
    Melissa L. Bean
    318 Cannon House Office Building 318 CHOB
    Washington, D.C., District of Columbia 20515-1308
    Phone: (202) 225-3711
    Fax: (202) 225-7830

    IOWA
    3rd District:
    Leonard L. Boswell
    1427 Longworth House Office Building 1427 LHOB
    Washington, D.C., District of Columbia 20515-1503
    Phone: (202) 225-3806
    Fax: (202) 225-5608



    INDIANA
    1st District:
    Peter J. Visclosky
    2256 Rayburn House Office Building 2256 RHOB
    Washington, D.C., District of Columbia 20515-1401
    Phone: (202) 225-2461
    Fax: (202) 225-2493

    9th District:
    Baron P. Hill
    223 Cannon House Office Building 223 CHOB
    Washington, D.C., District of Columbia 20515-1409
    Phone: (202) 225-5315
    Fax: (202) 226-6866



    LOUSIANA
    3rd District:
    Charlie Melancon
    404 Cannon House Office Building 404 CHOB
    Washington, D.C., District of Columbia 20515-1803
    Phone: (202) 225-4031
    Fax: (202) 226-3944

    MICHIGAN
    1st District:
    Bart Stupak
    2352 Rayburn House Office Building 2352 RHOB
    Washington, D.C., District of Columbia 20515-2201
    Phone: (202) 225-4735
    Fax: (202) 225-4744



    NEW HAMPSHIRE
    2nd District:
    Paul W. Hodes
    506 Cannon House Office Building 506 CHOB
    Washington, D.C., District of Columbia 20515-2902
    Phone: (202) 225-5206
    Fax: (202) 225-2946

    NEW YORK
    20th District:
    Kirsten E. Gillibrand
    120 Cannon House Office Building 120 CHOB
    Washington, D.C., District of Columbia 20515-3220
    Phone: (202) 225-5614
    Fax: (202) 225-1168



    24th District:
    Michael A. Arcuri
    327 Cannon House Office Building 327 CHOB
    Washington, D.C., District of Columbia 20515-3224
    Phone: (202) 225-3665
    Fax: (202) 225-1891

    27th District:
    Brian Higgins
    431 Cannon House Office Building 431 CHOB
    Washington, D.C., District of Columbia 20515-3227
    Phone: (202) 225-3306
    Fax: (202) 226-0347



    OKLAHOMA
    2nd District:
    Dan Boren
    216 Cannon House Office Building 216 CHOB
    Washington, D.C., District of Columbia 20515-3602
    Phone: (202) 225-2701
    Fax: (202) 225-3038

    OHIO
    17th District:
    Tim Ryan
    1421 Longworth House Office Building 1421 LHOB
    Washington, D.C., District of Columbia 20515-3517
    Phone: (202) 225-5261
    Fax: (202) 225-3719



    18th District:
    Zachary T. Space
    315 Cannon House Office Building 315 CHOB
    Washington, D.C., District of Columbia 20515-3518
    Phone: (202) 225-6265
    Fax: (202) 225-3394

    PENNSYVANIA
    1st District:
    Robert A. Brady
    206 Cannon House Office Building 206 CHOB
    Washington, D.C., District of Columbia 20515-3801
    Phone: (202) 225-4731
    Fax: (202) 225-0088



    4th District:
    Jason Altmire
    1419 Longworth House Office Building 1419 LHOB
    Washington, D.C., District of Columbia 20515-3804
    Phone: (202) 225-2565
    Fax: (202) 226-2274

    7th District:
    Joe Sestak
    1022 Longworth House Office Building 1022 LHOB
    Washington, D.C., District of Columbia 20515-3807
    Phone: (202) 225-2011
    Fax: (202) 226-0280



    8th District:
    Patrick J. Murphy
    1007 Longworth House Office Building 1007 LHOB
    Washington, D.C., District of Columbia 20515-3808
    Phone: (202) 225-4276
    Fax: (202) 225-9511

    11th District:
    Paul E. Kanjorski
    2188 Rayburn House Office Building 2188 RHOB
    Washington, D.C., District of Columbia 20515-3811
    Phone: (202) 225-6511
    Fax: (202) 225-0764



    12th District:
    John P. Murtha
    2423 Rayburn House Office Building 2423 RHOB
    Washington, D.C., District of Columbia 20515-3812
    Phone: (202) 225-2065
    Fax: (202) 225-5709

    17th District:
    Tim Holden
    2417 Rayburn House Office Building 2417 RHOB
    Washington, D.C., District of Columbia 20515-3817
    Phone: (202) 225-5546
    Fax: (202) 226-0996



    TENNESSEE
    4th District:
    Lincoln Davis
    410 Cannon House Office Building 410 CHOB
    Washington, D.C., District of Columbia 20515-4204
    Phone: (202) 225-6831
    Fax: (202) 226-5172

    5th District:
    Jim Cooper
    1536 Longworth House Office Building 1536 LHOB
    Washington, D.C., District of Columbia 20515-4205
    Phone: (202) 225-4311
    Fax: (202) 226-1035



    6th District:
    Bart Gordon
    2310 Rayburn House Office Building 2310 RHOB
    Washington, D.C., District of Columbia 20515-4206
    Phone: (202) 225-4231
    Fax: (202) 225-6887

    8th District:
    John S. Tanner
    1226 Longworth House Office Building 1226 LHOB
    Washington, D.C., District of Columbia 20515-4208
    Phone: (202) 225-4714
    Fax: (202) 225-1765



    9th District:
    Steve Cohen
    1004 Longworth House Office Building 1004 LHOB
    Washington, D.C., District of Columbia 20515-4209
    Phone: (202) 225-3265
    Fax: (202) 225-5663

    TEXAS
    23rd District:
    Ciro D. Rodriguez
    2458 Rayburn House Office Building 2458 RHOB
    Washington, D.C., District of Columbia 20515-4323
    Phone: (202) 225-4511
    Fax: (202) 225-2237



    UTAH
    2nd District:
    Jim Matheson
    1323 Longworth House Office Building 1323 LHOB
    Washington, D.C., District of Columbia 20515-4402
    Phone: (202) 225-3011
    Fax: (202) 225-5638

    VIRGINIA
    9th District:
    Rick Boucher
    2187 Rayburn House Office Building 2187 RHOB
    Washington, D.C., District of Columbia 20515-4609
    Phone: (202) 225-3861
    Fax: (202) 225-0442



    WASHINGTON
    3rd District:
    Brian Baird
    2443 Rayburn House Office Building 2443 RHOB
    Washington, D.C., District of Columbia 20515-4703
    Phone: (202) 225-3536
    Fax: (202) 225-3478

    WISCONSIN
    8th District:
    Steve Kagen
    1232 Longworth House Office Building 1232 LHOB
    Washington, D.C., District of Columbia 20515-4908
    Phone: (202) 225-5665
    Fax: (202) 225-5729

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    Quote in part:


    "Republicans, Martinez says, are going to put the squeeze on vulnerable Democrats in the coming weeks. And that's where ordinary citizens come in."

    You betch em red rider. Not just the Republicans. Law-abiding Americans who are sick and tired of it.

    Thanks for them giving us the list.


    I especially like this quote:


    "That takes us back to the mother of all conversations on immigration -- that when you have a leadership that is not articulating that position and working with its members to articulate its position, you either allow your enemy to define you, which is Republicans are doing by trying to label them soft on immigration, or you allow somebody who has no taste for the substance and is a freshman to be dragging the whole party."

    Isn't that was LaRaza and all of the OBL's are trying to do to law-abiding American citizens who have had enough. Yep, but can they. NO! Especially since Alipac, You Don't Speak For Me, Numbersusa and many others have many anti-illegal immigration members of all different ethnicities and whenever we give facts they can't stand it. They just shout "racist or bigot" because they have nothing to stand on.
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    I second the sentiments Gogo.

    Psalm 91
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    But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.
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    Ya when you watch this video and then read the comments. The OBL's are livid about what this guy says. He gives facts and all they can say is "racists at Alipac." I got a real laugh out of that.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BysOB56YU0
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    I remember when I got married in '86 and moved to another state, I was REQUIRED BY LAW, to show any employer my SS card and they had to photocopy it. I had no problem with that, since when did that become an "awful" provision?


    [quote]Among its more awful provisions, you may recall, are “verificationâ€
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    I love this guy, he is saying it all!

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    the guy in this video that is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BysOB56YU0

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