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    LA consul will use expert lawyers to help illegals.

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    Juan Marcos Gutiérrez González, the new Mexican consul in Los Angeles, arrived with an ambitious work plan that contemplates to offer greater protection to its compatriots and to insist on a migratory reform that brings them off of the shadows.

    "With raids, or without raids, the consulate is going to be where we have to be, once we have news of a raid we will act with expert lawyers", heindicated.

    In his presentation with the Los Angeles community, Gutiérrez indicated that one of his first actions has been to request more resources to the Office of the secretary of Foreign Affairs (SRE) to include greater legal aid in the consular headquarters.

    "We are going to require the compliance of their own laws in this country. Let that be very clear. The law is not a constraint, but a form to do things in a democratic country", he emphasized.

    Wise words! We are also requirering the compliance of OUR own immigration laws Mr. Gutierrez.

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    Full translation from dictionary.com translator.

    Not perfect of course, but it'll give you the general idea anyway.


    Disclaimer: I haven't read this myself yet. I assume no responsibility for blood pressure spikes, apoplexy, etc.




    Juan Marcos Gutiérrez, new consul of Mexico in, has an ambitious program to fulfill. (AURELIA VENTURA/La Opinion)

    New consul shows his plan

    He contemplates to offer to major protection to his countrymen and to insist on a migratory reform

    Isaiah Alvarado
    isaias.alvarado@laopinion.com
    29 of February of 2008

    Juan Marcos Gutiérrez González, the new Mexican consul in the Angels, arrived with an ambitious plan of work that contemplates to offer to major protection to its countrymen and to insist on a migratory reform removes that them from the shades.

    " Casts yes, casts no, the consulate is going to be where it must be, in the measurement that has the news of it and we will do through lawyers expertos" , it indicated.

    In his presentation with the angelina community, Gutiérrez indicated that one of his first action has been to ask for more resources to the Secretariat of Outer Relations (To be) to count on greater legal attendance in that soothes consular.

    " We are going to demand the fulfillment of the own laws of this country. That is very clearly. The law is not a obstacle, but a form to make the things in the countries democráticos" , it stressed.

    Accompanied by the holders of the consulates by Ash, Santa Ana and San Bernardino, Gutiérrez it justified this request arguing that the services in the matter of protection in the area of the Angels will increase 10%, happening of 10 thousand cases taken care of in 2007, to 11 thousands in the present year.

    The consulate of Mexico in the Angels is the greater and important governmental representation of that one country in the world, when taking care of 3,8 million of Mexican.

    The difficulty arrives when it is spoken of which many do not count on legal documents and live with the anguish of the familiar separation.

    Some representatives of the Mexican community agreed in which the greater obstacle of Gutiérrez will be the defense of the rights of its countrymen, at a time where the casts of the Office of Control of Immigration and Customs (IT HOISTS) are " at your service of dÃ*a".

    " She must press the government and to help to prevent so many casts, people are sufriendo" , she showed Daniel Torres, Secretary General of the Federation of the City of Mexico.

    Beatriz Ricartti, consultative adviser of the Institute of Mexican in Exterior (IME), said that the new consul will have to equal or to surpass the work that his predecessor Rubén Beltrán carried out, taking care of of opportune way the prisoners by HOISTS.

    " He is going to have the hands completely full, will be challenges very interesantes".

    Therefore, Gutiérrez considered appropriate to again put in the debate the subject of a migratory reform that she gives shelter to million illegal immigrants, but within the framework of the institutional channels and giving priority to the political dialog with the legislators.

    " We will be promoting the message on the convenience of a comprehensive and integral reform that solves the migratory situation of several million of Mexican, so that they leave the shades and they have a passage to his regularización".

    The president of the Federation United Mexico, Georgina Lopez, trusted the credentials of Juan Marcos Gutiérrez. " It gives the impression us that it comes with estusiasmo to collaborate with comunidades".

    But who was worried about the appointment about an extracted politician about the rows about the Party National Action (BREAD), he was the writer Carlos Monsiváis, during his visit by the city the past week.

    The answer of Gutiérrez was: " Panista is no, is a Mexican, a lawyer with desire to serve to Mexico and the Mexicans… Me the volume like reto".
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    Juan Marcos Gutiérrez González, the new Mexican consul in Los Angeles, arrived with an ambitious work plan that contemplates to offer greater protection to its compatriots and to insist on a migratory reform that brings them off of the shadows.

    "With raids, or without raids, the consulate is going to be where we have to be, once we have news of a raid we will act with expert lawyers", he indicated.

    In his presentation with the Los Angeles community, Gutiérrez indicated that one of his first actions has been to request more resources to the Office of the secretary of Foreign Affairs (SRE) to include greater legal aid in the consular headquarters.
    These are words of intimidation and threats.
    By migratory reform he means amnesty and open borders.

    We need thousands of arrests of illegal immigrants in Los Angeles so the Mexican government spends millions of dollars defending them.

    Can an attorney of a foreign country legally serve as a defense attorney in the U.S.A.?
    He/she would would have to be licensed in the state to practice so do states grant foreign attorneys licenses?

    Can an American attorney represent a foreign government/consulate in a U.S. court of law without being guilty of treason, political subversion, etc?

    Consulates and embassys are suppose to serve their countrymen through diplomatic channels--are they not overstepping their boundaries engaging in the overthrow of U.S. law through litigation, propaganda, incitment of the public, and so forth?

    Why are Mexican consulates not closed and the staff expelled when they interfer with U.S. laws and domestic policies?

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    MEXICO'S DOUBLE STANDARDS
    Mexico's Immigration Law: Let's Try It Here at Home
    by J. Michael Waller

    Posted: 05/08/2006

    Mexico has a radical idea for a rational immigration policy that most Americans would love. However, Mexican officials haven’t been sharing that idea with us as they press for our Congress to adopt the McCain-Kennedy immigration reform bill.

    That's too bad, because Mexico, which annually deports more illegal aliens than the United States does, has much to teach us about how it handles the immigration issue. Under Mexican law, it is a felony to be an illegal alien in Mexico.

    At a time when the Supreme Court and many politicians seek to bring American law in line with foreign legal norms, it’s noteworthy that nobody has argued that the U.S. look at how Mexico deals with immigration and what it might teach us about how best to solve our illegal immigration problem. Mexico has a single, streamlined law that ensures that foreign visitors and immigrants are:

    in the country legally;
    have the means to sustain themselves economically;
    not destined to be burdens on society;
    of economic and social benefit to society;
    of good character and have no criminal records; and
    contributors to the general well-being of the nation.
    The law also ensures that:

    immigration authorities have a record of each foreign visitor;
    foreign visitors do not violate their visa status;
    foreign visitors are banned from interfering in the country’s internal politics;
    foreign visitors who enter under false pretenses are imprisoned or deported;
    foreign visitors violating the terms of their entry are imprisoned or deported;
    those who aid in illegal immigration will be sent to prison.

    Who could disagree with such a law? It makes perfect sense. The Mexican constitution strictly defines the rights of citizens -- and the denial of many fundamental rights to non-citizens, illegal and illegal. Under the constitution, the Ley General de Población, or
    General Law on Population, spells out specifically the country's immigration policy.
    It is an interesting law -- and one that should cause us all to ask, Why is our great southern neighbor pushing us to water down our own immigration laws and policies, when its own immigration restrictions are the toughest on the continent? If a felony is a
    crime punishable by more than one year in prison, then Mexican law makes it a felony to be an illegal alien in Mexico.

    If the United States adopted such statutes, Mexico no doubt would denounce it as a manifestation of American racism and bigotry.

    We looked at the immigration provisions of the Mexican constitution. [1] Now let's look at Mexico's main immigration law.

    Mexico welcomes only foreigners who will be useful to Mexican society:

    Foreigners are admitted into Mexico "according to their possibilities of contributing to national progress." (Article 32)
    Immigration officials must "ensure" that "immigrants will be useful elements for the country and that they have the necessary funds for their sustenance" and for their dependents. (Article 34)
    Foreigners may be barred from the country if their presence upsets "the equilibrium of the national demographics," when foreigners are deemed detrimental to "economic or national interests," when they do not behave like good citizens in their own country, when they have broken Mexican laws, and when "they are not found to be physically or mentally healthy." (Article 37)

    The Secretary of Governance may "suspend or prohibit the admission of foreigners when he determines it to be in the national interest." (Article 3
    Mexican authorities must keep track of every single person in the country:

    Federal, local and municipal police must cooperate with federal immigration authorities upon request, i.e., to assist in the arrests of illegal immigrants. (Article 73)
    A National Population Registry keeps track of "every single individual who comprises the population of the country," and verifies each individual's identity. (Articles 85 and 86)

    A national Catalog of Foreigners tracks foreign tourists and immigrants (Article 87), and assigns each individual with a unique tracking number (Article 91).

    Foreigners with fake papers, or who enter the country under false pretenses, may be imprisoned:

    Foreigners with fake immigration papers may be fined or imprisoned. (Article 116)
    Foreigners who sign government documents "with a signature that is false or different from that which he normally uses" are subject to fine and imprisonment. (Article 116)
    Foreigners who fail to obey the rules will be fined, deported, and/or imprisoned as felons:


    Foreigners who fail to obey a deportation order are to be punished. (Article 117)
    Foreigners who are deported from Mexico and attempt to re-enter the country without authorization can be imprisoned for up to 10 years. (Article 11
    Foreigners who violate the terms of their visa may be sentenced to up to six years in prison (Articles 119, 120 and 121). Foreigners who misrepresent the terms of their visa while in Mexico -- such as working with out a permit -- can also be imprisoned.

    Under Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony. The General Law on Population says,

    "A penalty of up to two years in prison and a fine of three hundred to five thousand pesos will be imposed on the foreigner who enters the country illegally." (Article 123)
    Foreigners with legal immigration problems may be deported from Mexico instead of being imprisoned. (Article 125)

    Foreigners who "attempt against national sovereignty or security" will be deported. (Article 126)
    Mexicans who help illegal aliens enter the country are themselves considered criminals under the law:

    A Mexican who marries a foreigner with the sole objective of helping the foreigner live in the country is subject to up to five years in prison. (Article 127)
    Shipping and airline companies that bring undocumented foreigners into Mexico will be fined. (Article 132)
    All of the above runs contrary to what Mexican leaders are demanding of the United States. The stark contrast between Mexico's immigration practices versus its American
    immigration preachings is telling. It gives a clear picture of the Mexican government's agenda: to have a one-way immigration relationship with the United States.
    Let's call Mexico's bluff on its unwarranted interference in U.S. immigration policy. Let's propose, just to make a point, that the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) member nations standardize their immigration laws by using Mexico's own law as a model.

    This article was first posted at CenterforSecurityPolicy.org.


    http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=14632


    "When in Mexico the U.S. State Department reminds U.S. citizens to avoid participating in demonstrations and other activities that might be deemed political by Mexican authorities. The Mexican Constitution prohibits political activities by foreigners, and such actions may result in detention and/or deportation."
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    Let's propose, just to make a point, that the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) member nations standardize their immigration laws by using Mexico's own law as a model.
    Absolutely!! We need to ask them how we can make US immigration Law effective, just like Mexico's! This is a great idea!! Who would like to do the asking?? Let's make sure we get some good publicity in the process.
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    insist on a migratory reform





    More Mexican meddling!
    From the Border Movie:

    I will not sell my country out ~ I WILL NOT!
    I'd like to see that pride back in AMERICA!!!

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    "We are going to require the compliance of their own laws in this country. Let that be very clear. The law is not a constraint, but a form to do things in a democratic country", he emphasized.
    Is this a Joke, if only they would "require the compliance of our own laws in this country"
    Please do you stupid fool!!!



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    Can an attorney of a foreign country legally serve as a defense attorney in the U.S.A.?
    He/she would would have to be licensed in the state to practice so do states grant foreign attorneys licenses?





    If I remember correctly, the answer is no. A foreign attorney may not act as defense counsel in the US, just as a US attorney cannot do so in a foreign country.

    From the Dept of State website:


    PROVISO: Officers of the Department of State and U.S. Embassies and Consulates abroad are prohibited by federal regulation from acting as agents, attorneys or in a fiduciary capacity on behalf of U.S. citizens in private legal disputes abroad. (22 CFR 92.81; 10.735-206(a)(7); 72.41; 71.5.)


    However, assistance can be rendered in finding an attorney in the foreign country in question.


    Also, here is an article from Law.com about states pondering allowing foreign attorneys to sit for the bar in some states.

    This seems to indicate that no, they are not allowed to practice as lawyers here.

    I also found it interesting that some of the states with highest numbers of illegals....CA, Illinois, NY......are mulling over allowing lawyers from foreign countries to practice law in those states on a "temporary basis"




    Vesna Jaksic
    The National Law Journal
    June 11, 2007

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    Two cases involving foreign attorneys' rights to sit for the bar exam recently reached Massachusetts' highest court, the latest sign that states are wrestling with the issue of when attorneys from other countries should be allowed to practice in the United States.

    Nine states are reviewing whether to allow the licensing of "foreign legal consultants." Also, 21 states -- including California, New York and Illinois -- are considering the possibility of permitting foreign lawyers to practice temporarily.

    The number of foreign-educated lawyers sitting for the bar exam nationwide has increased by 28 percent since 2000, to 3,571 in 2005, according to the National Conference of Bar Examiners (NCBE).

    States have varying rules about when foreign lawyers can sit for the bar. New York has the most liberal policy and regularly allows lawyers admitted in other countries to take the bar. Out of 3,571 foreign-educated lawyers who took the bar exam in the United States in 2005, New York accounted for all but 234 of them, according to the NCBE.

    By contrast, Florida requires a law degree from an American school or at least 10 years of experience in a U.S. jurisdiction. No lawyers educated outside the United States sat for the Florida bar in 2005, the last year for which data were available from the NCBE.

    NEED FOR GUIDELINES

    In Massachusetts, foreign-educated lawyers may take the exam if they are able to demonstrate their legal education was comparable to that of an accredited U.S. law school, which is often decided on a case-by-case basis. Two recent cases against the Massachusetts Board of Bar Examiners, which sets such rules, reached the state's top court.

    In December, the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court ruled in favor of Gregory C. Osakwe, allowing the Nigerian-born lawyer to sit for the bar exam. Osakwe v. Board of Bar Examiners, No. 09642 (Mass.).

    Osakwe successfully argued that a law degree from Nigeria, a master of laws from Connecticut and experience practicing in Connecticut and New York should allow him to sit for the bar, which the Massachusetts Board of Bar Examiners denied in 2004.

    But in April, the board said a Ghanaian lawyer, Mathias Kwasi Yakah, who has a law degree from Ghana and a master of laws from a Boston law school, needs to supply more information, as he failed to include descriptions of courses he took in Ghana. Yakah v. Board of Bar Examiners, No. 09700 (Mass.).

    In a concurring opinion, Justice Robert J. Cordy said that instead of case-by-case court opinions, it may be better for the board to implement "a well-considered and evenly applied set of guidelines."

    Elaine Vietri, executive director of the Massachusetts Board of Bar Examiners, said through an assistant that the board will not comment.

    Darren Braham, who co-chairs the Foreign Lawyers Committee of the International Law Section at the Boston Bar Association, said it can't hurt to have more structured guidelines.

    "People have had different results with similar education," said Braham, whose committee was formed about five years ago to provide professional-development opportunities for foreign lawyers.

    Braham, who has a law degree from England, moved to Massachusetts two years ago and works as a legal clerk in Boston. He said he plans to take the bar exam in July next year.

    Twenty-six states license foreign legal consultants, who are attorneys from other countries permitted to practice in a limited matter, such as only being allowed to advise on their home country's laws, instead of U.S. state or federal laws.

    Nine states are considering adopting such licenses, said Carole Silver, a senior lecturer at Northwestern University School of Law in Chicago, who is vice chairwoman of the Transnational Legal Practice Committee at the American Bar Association's Section of International Law. Those are: Arkansas, Delaware, Iowa, Montana, New Hampshire, North Dakota, South Carolina, South Dakota and Virginia.

    All of those nine states, except New Hampshire, are also considering adopting rules that would allow foreign lawyers to practice temporarily. New Hampshire adopted such a rule in January. Thirteen additional states are reviewing their temporary practice rules, including Michigan, Oregon and Utah.

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    The Mexican Constitution prohibits political activities by foreigners, and such actions may result in detention and/or deportation
    ."

    The political process includes the judicial process does it not? Therefore foreigners could not bring court action or sue in Mexico?

    Appeal to Mexican President Calderon:
    "Amnesty International has documented torture, arbitrary detention,
    excessive use of force and the denial of due process," said Cox in a letter
    to President Calderon ahead of his official visit Sunday through next
    Thursday (Feb. 10-14). "The public security and criminal justice
    institutions have too frequently been characterized as abusive, ineffective
    and lacking independence and transparency."

    Larry Cox, executive director of Amnesty International USA
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    azwreath wrote:
    I also found it interesting that some of the states with highest numbers of illegals....CA, Illinois, NY......are mulling over allowing lawyers from foreign countries to practice law in those states on a "temporary basis"
    A work visa opening a path to citizenship. With or without passing the bar exam?

    Thank you for the great information azwreath.

    I know medical doctors trained in foreign countries have to go through a residency program in the US before licensed in some states.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MyAmerica
    azwreath wrote:
    I also found it interesting that some of the states with highest numbers of illegals....CA, Illinois, NY......are mulling over allowing lawyers from foreign countries to practice law in those states on a "temporary basis"
    A work visa opening a path to citizenship. With or without passing the bar exam?

    Thank you for the great information azwreath.

    I know medical doctors trained in foreign countries have to go through a residency program in the US before licensed in some states.

    "The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism - ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power."
    Franklin D. Roosevelt



    You're welcome.

    Great point about the work visa and bar exam. I personally don't see how any foreign attorney could practice law here w/o showing proficiency in U.S. law because that's what they would be dealing with.

    I'll have to dig around some more.
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