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    Quote Originally Posted by MW View Post
    That would be fine as a starting place. However, some folks need things laid out more in layman terms to reach a full understanding of the details and how the will be indvidually impacted.
    Well, sure, and that's a good idea!

    Individuals will no longer:

    1. Pay any income tax of any kind
    2. Pay any payroll tax
    3. File a tax return

    Individuals who are citizens and legal residents:

    1. Will receive a Rebate based on number of adults and children in the household if they wish to sign up for it.
    2. Will pay 23% FairTax when they purchase new goods and services at the final point of sale.
    3. Will continue to have full Social Security and Medicare benefits, the same as they do now. based on their earnings reports filed by their employers, same as they are now.
    4. Will be free from government intrusion into their lives and theft of their incomes and estates.

    All businesses and employers are free from all income taxes, since they are also repealed, and no business pays FairTax. Only consumers pay it one time, at the final point of sale at the retail level, so retail businesses who today collect sales taxes in 45 states, will also collect the FairTax, on the same form, at the same time, and remit to the States, less their fee set by the FairTax law. The States then remit to the Feds, less their fee which they are also paid to collect the FairTax. The amount of fees are set by the FairTax statute.

    Used goods are exempt. Used homes, used cars, appliances, equipment, clothes, etc., etc., etc., are exempt from the FairTax.

    As the GDP grows, so does the FairTax revenue including that portion earmarked for Social Security and Medicare. As that happens, the General Revenue rate can and probably should be reduced once it gets to levels where we're able to start paying down the debt, which will happen relatively soon after it goes into effect, because with the economic gains the FairTax will trigger, there will be major reductions in poverty levels and the amount of government spending on these programs which would free up existing revenue to balance the budget and make debt payments.
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    spin (communication) By Richard NordquistGrammar & Composition ExpertLynda Mugglestone, professor of the history of English at Pembroke College, University of Oxford. (See Examples and Observations, below.)

    Definition: A contemporary term for a form of propaganda that relies on deceptive methods of persuasion.In politics, business, and elsewhere, spin is often characterized by exaggeration, euphemisms, inaccuracies, half-truths, and excessively emotional appeals.

    A person who composes and/or communicates spin is referred to as a spin doctor.

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    Illegal aliens are not eligible for the FairTax rebate but still have to pay the FairTax on their purchases of new goods and services, which puts them at a comparative disadvantage to American Workers, and the FairTax is the first federal tax system to achieve that.

    The FairTax also levels the playing field for our businesses and industries because imports are taxed by the FairTax the same as domestic produced goods and services, while exports are not, which protects our trade and gives our companies a comparative advantage, and the FairTax is the first federal tax system to achieve that.

    A lot of people may not know the history of the income tax. I'll take a minute to provide some of that here. The federal income tax was passed in 1913 by Democrats, as a revenue raiser to offset the reduction in tariffs, that at the time were the primary source of revenue to run the government.

    By reducing the tariffs, they created more foreign competition for our companies and businesses which of course hurt our American workers. To add insult to injury, the Democrats taxed the people and businesses of the United States through their new income tax. So not only were Americans now faced with more foreign competition due to the reduction in tariffs on imported goods, they now had to come up with income taxes to replace the revenue, and if that wasn't enough, they used the mandated income tax to support the creation of the Federal Reserve.

    All in one year, step 1 -passed income tax, step 2 - reduced tariffs on imports, step 3 - created the Federal Reserve, step 4, passed the 16th Amendment to make it permanent. And of course, Republicans opposed the income tax vehemently, but were outnumbered by the Democrats in charge of the White House and both Houses of Congress.

    And here we are 102 years later with $18 Trillion and growing in national debt, 20 million unemployed/underemployed Americans, 70 million people on Medicaid, 60% of our school kids on free school lunch, $736 billion a year in trade deficits with 20 million illegal aliens already in the country and more pouring in faster than we can count or process them.

    The Democrat's income tax by its nature, design and purpose has bankrupted the United States and impoverished the American People.

    So any Republican who wants to keep the income tax and instead cut Social Security and Medicare benefits for our retired workers and senior citizens to "balance the budget", needs to be thrown out of Congress and replaced with a Republican who supports the FairTax which will rejuvenate our economy, bring our $14 trillion in capital and 20 million jobs back home, balance our trade and run illegal aliens back to where they came from.

    The FairTax legislation, HR 25 in the US House of Representatives and S 155 in the US Senate, is the single most important piece of economic development legislation in the US Congress.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    The FairTax doesn't eliminate Social Security cards.
    The article you are commenting on is about how the issuance of Social Security cards to illegal aliens encourages voter fraud. I don't then see what the FairTax has to do with it.

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    From the second article:

    La Raza, the radical group supporting illegal immigration is providing a map that was created by the Washington Post that explains where people can vote without providing an ID. This is an effort to circumvent US law and allow illegal democrats voters to vote for democrats in an effort to avoid the tsunami due to arrive on November 4th. Let me point out that under an honest government, La Raza would be considered a co-defendant in any trial involving an illegal alien voting.

    Already there are fears that illegals voting can swing close elections for the Senate. This is from the WaPo article that provides a voting map for illegal aliens pointing out where they can vote without an ID:
    My reply:

    Pass the FairTax! HR 25 in the US House of Representatives and S 155 in the US Senate, repeal the income tax, shut down 501 C 3 tax frauds posing as "charities" when they are in fact political action organizations but as 501 c 3's they are likewise eligible for public funds. So the above article is right on target, has nailed this part of this issue on its head, and it all needs to grind to a halt. No income tax, no income tax credit refunds, no tax fraud charities, no tax returns, no tax return expenses, no time or effort expended on income tax reports and returns, just a simple report and a % of gross sales collected by retail businesses who are paid a fee for the service.

    This is the way it should be, this is the way it should have been all along, now we have an ideal proposal to do that, it's called the FairTax, lets pass it and move our country and citizens forward.
    artclam, I wasn't commenting on the first article, I was commenting on the second article about La Raza directing illegal voters to polling stations that don't require an ID which of course has nothing to do with who has or doesn't have a Social Security Card. My comment was directed at the 501 C 3 income tax frauds that advocate illegal immigration. Under the FairTax, these phony "charity" organizations would be shut down because without the income tax and the 501 C 3 tax deductible donation, most businesses would not be able to donate to these outfits, because shareholders wouldn't allow it and very few if any individual business owners would make such donations out of their own pockets without an income tax offset.

    Under the FairTax, the 501 C 3 laws still exist, there's just no income tax benefit any longer, because there's no income tax. 501 C 3's under the FairTax are treated the same as any other business. They pay no FairTax on business to business transactions, and do not collect a FairTax on what they give away in actual charity, but like any business are required to collect FairTax on all sales of new goods or services sold by their organization.

    The article is talking about National Council of La Raza, which is a 501 C 3 which is only identified in the redstates article as "La Raza" but is further identified as the National Council of La Raza in this daily caller article and the link to that is below. So of course the FairTax has everything to do with the article and the goal of stopping illegal immigration, since among other benefits to this end, it would shut these phony treasonous tax fraud orgies guilty of lobbying for illegal immigrationin violation of their tax status ... down.

    http://dailycaller.com/2014/10/29/la-raza-promotes-washington-post-guide-on-where-people-can-vote-without-an-id/

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