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    Latest information-bullets that hit El Paso City Hall

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    By Tom Fenton - Publisher
    El Paso Inc.


    The bullets that sprayed City Hall this past week won’t have any lasting impact on our relations with Mexico. But the shots fired did serve as a reminder of our neighbor’s challenges – and just how involved El Paso is in what happens in Mexico.

    The incident reminded me of the old stories from the Mexican Revolution of people gathering on rooftops in South El Paso to watch the fighting. More than a few bullets found their way north across the river.

    The reality is more bullets come across that river than most people realize. The roof of our office on Porfirio Diaz has more than half a dozen bullet holes, some of which hit desks and files in our offices.

    Most of the incoming rounds were fired during New Year’s Eve and Sept. 16 celebrations. We reported the shots and turned the slugs over to police but there’s not much they can do.

    It seems likely the shots that hit our building were random, considering the downward angle of the trajectory. But what happened at City Hall is a different matter.

    Although Juárez authorities are trying to put a brighter spin on it, I think someone took aim at City Hall and squeezed off a few rounds.

    Here’s why: In visiting City Hall Friday, talking to maintenance people, going up on the roof and looking at what we could see of some of the bullet impacts, it appeared the bullets were neither tumbling nor completely spent when they hit the building.

    Those bullets struck City Hall on a relatively flat trajectory with considerable force, making it very unlikely the shots were aimed at some high-flying helicopter or were simply stray rounds.

    Police also indicated they thought the bullets probably came from an AK-47. That’s a Russian design rifle that shoots a .30-caliber bullet that seems to be very popular in Mexico.

    Although not designed for long-range shooting, the cartridge packs a lethal force over considerable distance.

    According to Shooting Times, the drop on a standard full-metal jacket 7.62x39 round is 41 inches at 400 yards, where it still packs 514-foot pounds of energy.

    With help from a friend and his 15-power Leica binoculars with a built-in range finder, we determined the distance from the roof of City Hall to the front door of the S-Mart in Juárez is 949 yards.

    The pole in the parking lot near where the gunfight is supposed to have taken place is 925 yards.

    That suggests that someone aware of the bullet’s ballistics could, by sighting in on the roofline of City Hall, pretty much expect to hit the building at 925 yards.

    The rounds that hit City Hall landed mostly at the elevation of the eighth and ninth floors, including the bullet that entered deputy city manager Pat Adauto’s office.

    And that is just about the point of impact you would expect from a shot fired at the top of the building silhouette. The dispersal pattern suggests they could have been sprayed in full automatic mode.

    Although their equipment is far superior, long-range shooters routinely hit 18-inch targets at 1,000 yards. So, a building at 900 yards is a fairly easy mark.

    One can’t help but wonder if the shots were in retaliation for the recent shooting of the Juárez teen by the Border Patrol agent.

    The truth is, we’ll probably never know. But the facts suggest that the shooter knew exactly what he was doing.
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    I just knew that this would be the case. I never thought or believed that 7 shots could randomly hit the building essentially in the same place.

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    Nor do I believe that these were shots fired by Mexican law enforcement officers - unless said officers were part of a cartel.
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    Well, if most Mexicans, illegal and legal, have guns in Phoenix, AZ, why wouldn't most Mexicans in Mexico have guns? This is a hobby for them folks. As Americans we use guns for more rational use. In Mexico they regularly kill people. OF COURSE THIS WAS INTENDED!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReggieMay
    Nor do I believe that these were shots fired by Mexican law enforcement officers - unless said officers were part of a cartel.
    We routinely for years see articles where officers "wearing the uniforms of" Mexican police, Mexican BP, Mexican military and we are expected to accept the suggestion that they are not actually Mexican law enforcement but criminals that somehow got all those uniforms (despite being soooooo pooooor) that fit them so well. Wasn't it just yesterday an article here on this forum stated the "wearing the uniforms of" and in the next sentence stated that the regular Mexican officers did nothing because of the high rank of the supposed impersonating officers criminals?

    This lie also is getting tired.
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    There were shoot outs in Phoenix residential streets and the drug dealers were wearing Phoenix police uniforms. The real cops didn't know what to do when they arrived and then they saw the idiots were not following any protocol so they started shooting.

    Of course, those little tidbits were white washed from the media as soon as possible. The mayor of Phoenix is the first one to say "We are not a sanctuary city." And then he lets them all in with benefits and no consequences for crimes.

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