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More education just for you (il)legal alien:

Federal Immigration and Nationality Act
Section 8 USC 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv)(b)(iii)

"Any person who . . . encourages or induces an alien to . . . reside . . . knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such . . . residence is . . . in violation of law, shall be punished as provided . . . for each alien in respect to whom such a violation occurs . . . fined under title 18 . . . imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both."
Section 274 felonies under the federal Immigration and Nationality Act, INA 274A(a)(1)(A):
A person (including a group of persons, business, organization, or local government) commits a federal felony when she or he:
* assists an alien s/he should reasonably know is illegally in the U.S. or who lacks employment authorization, by transporting, sheltering, or assisting him or her to obtain employment, or
* encourages that alien to remain in the U.S. by referring him or her to an employer or by acting as employer or agent for an employer in any way, or
* knowingly assists illegal aliens due to personal convictions.
Penalties upon conviction include criminal fines, imprisonment, and forfeiture of vehicles and real property used to commit the crime. Anyone employing or contracting with an illegal alien without verifying his or her work authorization status is guilty of a misdemeanor. Aliens and employers violating immigration laws are subject to arrest, detention, and seizure of their vehicles or property. In addition, individuals or entities who engage in racketeering enterprises that commit (or conspire to commit) immigration-related felonies are subject to private civil suits for treble damages and injunctive relief.

Originally Posted by tinybobidaho

Yes, Legal, booting them out is the answer. We have a very generous immigration system in this country and if they can't apply the legal way, them yes, we need to boot them out. They are not "special". They do not deserve "special" treatment. They are criminals for breaking into our country and stealing from the Americans. They not only should be booted, they should be prosecuted for breaking into a country that doesn't belong to them. Does that answer your question?

Please compare and see before saying that US has a very generous immigration laws....the only thing generous is unmanned land and see borders which allow illegals to come in "generously".....manpower/motivation is the problem.....the illegals are solving exactly that...adding to man power and they are motivated enough to make a living doing lowliest of jobs and maitaining their families...

More reading so you can get a clue, (il)legal alien :

Immigration Terminology 101 for (il)legal alien:

With the vitriolic immigration debate roiling in all parts of our country, it is important to understand terminology. Be prepared to dispel the half-truths and no truths of the way those who are illegally in our country are described by their advocates. Knowledge is power:

ILLEGAL:
1.) Unlawful; illegitimate; illicit; unlicensed.
2.) Illegal, unlawful, illegitimate, illicit, criminal can all describe actions not in accord with law.
3.) Illegal refers most specifically to violations of statutes.
4.) Prohibited by law

ALIEN:
1.) a person who is not a citizen of the country.
2.) in the United States any person born in another country to parents who are not American and who has not become a naturalized citizen. There are resident aliens officially permitted to live in the country and illegal aliens who have sneaked into the country or stayed beyond the time allowed on a visa.

INVADE:
1. to enter like an enemy: Locusts invaded the fields
2. to enter as if to take possession: To invade a neighbor's home
3. to enter and affect injuriously or destructively, as disease: Viruses that invade the bloodstream.
4. to intrude upon: To invade the privacy of a family.
5. to encroach or infringe upon: to invade the rights of citizens.
6. to permeate: The smell of baking invades the house.
7. to penetrate; spread into or over: The population boom has caused city dwellers to invade the suburbs

Those illegally in a country are not "immigrants". There is no such thing as an "illegal immigrant". An immigrant is involved with an established and orderly procedure of immigration (entering a country to which one is not native in order to settle there by legal process).

They are not immigrants, not undocumented immigrants (Kennedy, et. al’s favorite), not undocumented workers, not undocumented Americans (Harry Reid’s favorite), not workers without papers, not people who are working (Enrique Morone’s favorite), not migrant workers, and not day laborers.

The government has defined them as "illegal aliens" and explicitly uses that term in all its laws and statutes. So keep it simple…a spade is a spade…they are illegal aliens. Or, if you’d prefer, another term that would be just as correct to use is "invaders". I would consider the two interchangeable.

One other definition is exceedingly useful since you’ll hear with every piece of amnesty legislation, the open border lobbyists and invader advocates will declare that it isn’t amnesty in the hope that you will think so. Here’s the definition of amnesty so you can decide for yourself:

AMNESTY is legislation to forgive the breaking of immigration laws and to make it possible for illegal aliens to live permanently in the United States. Amnesty represents a system of federal rewards and assistance for illegal aliens, and they entice an even greater number of foreign nationals to invade a country.

AMNESTY:
1. A general pardon for offenses against a government
2. An act of forgiveness for past offenses, esp. to a class of persons as whole
3. Forgetting or overlooking any past offense

There you (il)legal alien. Knowledge is power…use it wisely.

Originally Posted by zeezil

More education just for you (il)legal alien:

Federal Immigration and Nationality Act
Section 8 USC 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv)(b)(iii)

"Any person who . . . encourages or induces an alien to . . . reside . . . knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such . . . residence is . . . in violation of law, shall be punished as provided . . . for each alien in respect to whom such a violation occurs . . . fined under title 18 . . . imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both."
Section 274 felonies under the federal Immigration and Nationality Act, INA 274A(a)(1)(A):
A person (including a group of persons, business, organization, or local government) commits a federal felony when she or he:
* assists an alien s/he should reasonably know is illegally in the U.S. or who lacks employment authorization, by transporting, sheltering, or assisting him or her to obtain employment, or
* encourages that alien to remain in the U.S. by referring him or her to an employer or by acting as employer or agent for an employer in any way, or
* knowingly assists illegal aliens due to personal convictions.
Penalties upon conviction include criminal fines, imprisonment, and forfeiture of vehicles and real property used to commit the crime. Anyone employing or contracting with an illegal alien without verifying his or her work authorization status is guilty of a misdemeanor. Aliens and employers violating immigration laws are subject to arrest, detention, and seizure of their vehicles or property. In addition, individuals or entities who engage in racketeering enterprises that commit (or conspire to commit) immigration-related felonies are subject to private civil suits for treble damages and injunctive relief.

Thanks for publishing the laws. When was this law first published and why was it not implemented ? Have you pondered whether "man power" is the problem to implement these laws ? We do not have enough people / money / motivation (as cheap labor helps us with our savings). The illegals are here because of "man power" shortage in the first place, else manufacturing industries would not have gone to China in the first place...

Originally Posted by tinybobidaho

And yes, Legal, the ones elected to our Presidental office do not have the brains to straighten this mess out and most of them were born with a silver spoon in their mouth. That's what's wrong with our country. That, and people who think we should reward criminals.

BTW, who elected them ?

Just because we have some unmanned land, doesn't make it right to cross our borders illegally. If I left my door open, it still wouldn't make it right for someone to come in and steal my tv, now would it? As for genorous immigration into this country, we allow about 3 million people to come here legally every year. I'm sorry if you don't think this is enough for you.

Just for you, (il)legal alien:

We have an increased crime rate because illegal aliens are here and we have a higher health care costs because they are here. Illegals bring their own values and live the life of whatever country they came from, and they get all the benefits from living in this country. They don’t want to assimilate into our culture. It stratifies our culture and it tears it apart.
Illegal immigrants disturb the existing social order wherever they settle.
They create a huge lower class. The poorly educated and uneducated illegals don’t have the ability to compete in a culture that is oriented to a high education level.

Originally Posted by legal_alien

Is booting the illegals the solution to the country's problems ? It is a widely known truth that majority of the illegals do the jobs and sometimes in less humane conditions than is written down in state laws, that the Americans will not do! I am not in favor of illegals but I am in favor of a sensible solution to the problem and booting them out is surely not sensible else our leaders would have booted them out long ago....or best they would have applied the immigration laws to bar the entry of illegals in the first place when those laws were born.

When I read statements such as yours it strikes me as comedic at best. The fact that illegal aliens and their individual governments (along with too many in ours) and their corporate masters attempt to brainwash the American public into believing our very existence and survival depends on the presence of lawless, uneducated, low wage earners is absurd. Prior to and since the abolition of slavery Americans have worked as maids, cooks, bellhops, construction workers, laborers, etc. all the jobs that are falsely claimed to be jobs "Americans won't do". Illegals merely do them because $8.00 per hour is a gold mine compared to the $8.00 a day (or less) that they make in their homelands. Couple that with the women who come here and anchor themselves by birthing multiple children to receive what for them equals a lottery: free healthcare, foodstamps, subsidized housing, and a monthly check that increases with every child they poot out, all at the taxpayers expense. Since none receive any government assistance in their homeland they are to ignorant to realize that the small amount of money they receive is not enough to live on without remaining POVERTY STRICKEN. Therein lies only one problematic part of the equation that we the American taxpayers have with the mess known as illegal immigration. Corporate America gains substantially on the backs of those of us who work hard for our dollars and are fed up with the abuse of subsidizing cheap illegal labor while illegals pay little or no taxes. Its quite a vicious cycle since the wages earn are so minimal until what contribution they make in sales taxes or even payroll taxes if they have STOLEN AN AMERICANS IDENTITY are returned to them IF they file taxes; otherwise they simply create systematic chaos for the citizen whose identity they have destroyed. Small price to pay for being here illegally.

Another part of the equation:

Cultural differences: language barrier, overcrowding of residences; extreme levels of heinous violence; numerous children that the parents cannot support; age of consent 12; overall general lawlessness begining with illegal entry/visa overstays.

Sensible solution would be to legalize them (there could be n number of ways to legalize them which I do not want to discuss right now)...but when one talks about legalization, or the process to obtain legal immigration...has much of America thought / know how the legal immigration system works in this country ? Just to let you know, the US Government doesn't even fund the official US agency, USCIS under Homeland Security to run its day to day affairs!!! They are supposed to run the organization solely from the money that they receive via the various applications fees collected by from the applicants!!

We have laws that have not been enforced for decades. Once we get rid of the majority of crooked politicians who have looked the other way and allowed us to be overrun with an alien population and begin to enforce the current laws religiously and cut off the social services and welfare benefits, the majority should and will self deport. Those who don't should indeed be rounded up and deported. THAT IS THE SENSIBLE LEGAL THING TO DO, otherwise we will merely become the duplication of the poverty and 3rd world cesspool that the illegals think they are leaving when the reality that too many don't face is that THEY ARE THE PROBLEM and CHANGE COMES FROM WITHIN. The majority DO NOT ASSIMILATE they come here and duplicate the poverty, overcrowding and lawlessness and cultural corruption that they have become accustomed to.

We lose approximately 25 American citizens every single day just to illegal aliens, with a 50/50 split between violent crimes and drunk driving accidents. 48 American citizens are murdered everday in this country. Do the math, Legal.

(il)legal alien:

"The nation is way beyond the tipping point of being fed up with people whose first act is to break our law and then demand that they be given government benefits or welfare or be legalized," said U.S. Congressmen Culberson, R-Texas

Americans will never except those like you and your allegiance to amnesty and destruction of American culture.