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    The Myth of Birthright Citizenship

    Our next step must include challenging this myth and legislating accordingly. If we can pull together in opposition to legislation we can pull together in support of it. Most don't realize it but SCOTUS has never ruled on birthright citizenship for children of illegal aliens. Here's a fantastic article on the topic:

    Ever since the subject of Congress taking up Birthright Citizenship have we seen the power of ignorance at work through the MSM. It is difficult to find any editorial or wire story that correctly gives the reader an honest and accurate historical account of the Fourteenth Amendment in regards to children born to foreign parents within the United States. Most often the media presents a fabled and inaccurate account of just what the Citizenship Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment means.

    Recent story lines go something like this: "Currently the Constitution says that a person born in this country is an American citizen. That's it. No caveats." The problem with these sort of statements other than being plainly false is that it reinforces a falsehood that has become viewed as a almost certain fact through such false assertions over time.

    This is like insisting the sun rotates around the earth while ignoring the body of evidence to the contrary.

    During the reconstruction period following the civil war the view on citizenship was that only children born to American parents owing allegiance to no other foreign power could be declared an American Citizen upon birth on U.S. soil. This is exactly the language of the civil rights bill of 1866: "All persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are hereby declared to be citizens of the United States."

    Sen. Lyman Trumbull said of the above: "My own opinion is that all these persons born in the United States and under its authority, owing allegiance to the United States, are citizens without any act of congress." Can an illegal alien be said to owe the United States allegiance? Can an alien be said not to owe some other country his/her allegiance without evidence?

    The author of the Fourteenth Amendment, Rep. John A Bingham (OH), responded to the above declaration as follows: "I find no fault with the introductory clause, which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen."

    The opinion of US Attorney General Edward Bates in 1862 said: "The Constitution does not make the citizen, it is in fact made by them." If so, how then does a alien make a citizen of the United States?
    http://federalistblog.us/2005/12/birthr ... fable.html

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    I agree. People who are in the country illegally do not by any standard owe allegiance to the United States. As an example, if one were caught passing atomic secrets back to another sovereign nation he or she could be charged with espionage, but could not be charged with treason because no sworn oath of allegiance to the US has been taken, and no status exists granting legal citizenship.

    Has there ever been a Supreme Court ruling on this issue?
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    someone who broke our laws should not be reward because they have a child.

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    birthright citizenship

    I heard that Rep Nathan Deal GA.,is sponsoring HR1940 to end birthright citizenship. Everyone should write their congressman and encourage to sign-up!

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    Sen. Howard left no doubt what the clause meant in 1868: "[T]he Constitution as now amended, forever withholds the right of citizenship in the case of accidental birth of a child belonging to foreign parents within the limits of the country."
    Can it be put more simply than that?

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    Well, it certainly isn't accidental birth when illegals camp out in hospital parking lots waiting to go into labor.
    RIP TinybobIdaho -- May God smile upon you in his domain forevermore.

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    You can do something about anchor babies right now! Call your elected representative and have him or her sign on as a cosponsor to the following bill immediately:

    http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z ... 01940:@@@P

    Personally, I think we could get this bill passed if the nation would rally behind it like they did against the latest attempt at shoving amnesty down our throats!

    "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" ** Edmund Burke**

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    You guys just watch now. After yesterday's defeat of the Senate Immigration Bill, all the "finger in the wind" politicians will be jumping on the anti-illegal alien bandwagon.
    <div>Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of congress; but I repeat myself. Mark Twain</div>

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