Thread: The Popular vote does not win the election, it's the delegat

This is from the Ron Paul website.

PEOPLE PLEASE STOP LOOKING AT THE POPULAR VOTE IN THE STATES PLEASE READ HOW WE ARE ACTUALLY WINNING IMPORTANT INFO HERE.

Posted February 10th, 2008 by SGP


PLEASE EVERYONE COPY AND SEND THIS TO THEIR EMAIL LIST AND MEETUP HEADS AND ANY OTHER RON PAUL FORUM THERE IS.

I know many of you are new to the election process but don't worry.

I am going to go into some depth of how this all works so read and then read again if you need to.

The MSM is not reporting how to become the nominee in a situation like this so i will tell you to stop getting your info from the MSM.

I know many of you are bummed about yesterday BUT THAT IS BECAUSE YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW THE ELECTION SYSTEM WORKS : Let me explain to you the reality of how to become the nominee.

First stop looking at who wins each states popular vote for most of these states the vote by the people is really nothing but a straw poll and have no real bearing on who will become the nominee. The only way this matters is if 1 person receives 1191 delegates that are bound by state rules to be commited to that candidate. So if a candiate like Mccain has 600 delegates now and IF he doesn't reach 1191 WHICH HE WILL NOT most of the delegates the state awarded him mean nothing and keep in mind in most of the states most of the people that represent the 600 for Mccain are actually Ron Paul supporters. NOW there is no possible way that anyone in the race can achieve this goal now because of the major split in state wins by the candidates.

Normally Convention Delegates do not matter because the convention is not brokered and we have a clear winner because someone has 1191 delegates. BUT THIS YEAR IS DIFFERENT. This will be a brokered convention there is no way around it. Do you see how the ronpaul campaign strategy will work.

When a candidate wins delegates by winning a primary that does not mean there are actual people that won acting as delegates- these are virtual delegates.

What do I mean by virtual delegates: A virtual delegate is just a number - there are no actual people YET that will go and vote for the candidate who won the particular state at the national convention. We call these people convention delegates

The actual delegates are voted on (in most states) at a statewide delegate caucus after the Primary (which is just a giant preference poll) Who can be delegates? Anyone. In closed Primary states they must be registered Republicans, in Open Primary states they can be Republicans, Democrats, Independents.

And we have lots of delegates.

Out of the 2,380 delegates sent to Minneapolis St. Paul in September-
-463 delegates are bound all the way through the convention some of those 463 are Ron Pauls people.

- 565 delegates will be bound through one ballot. That is, they have to follow the results of the state election on the first ballot. After that, if no candidate has a majority of delegates, they are free to vote as they please and Mccain will not receive over 50% on the first ballot.

- 383 will be bound through two ballots then they are free to vote for whom they wish.

- 318 will be bound through three ballots then they are free to vote for whom they wish.

I am not going to list every state and what the break downs are, just do the math from these numbers or look for yourself here :

http://www.gop.com/Images...

Bottom line is less than 1/2 of the delegates are bound by state party rules. Now do you see how we can win this thing?

So what happens now you ask? You look at the number of delegates that Dr. Paul has that are uncommited to the other candidates and will support him. these delegates are not decided by the popular vote ie: straw poll of the people. Since no one will have enough delegates to skate them through to the nomination we now must look at how many delegates NOT VOTES but delegates Dr. Paul has that are 100% uncommited to the other candidates and will be 100% for Dr. Paul and are free to vote for whom they wish.

This race will go all the way to the convention for there is no other way for someone to receive the nomintaion untill the convention.

The RNC will convene its annual Winter Meeting - and voters will continue to cast their ballots in the nation's primaries and caucuses. Candidates for delegate and alternate delegate to the convention will be elected - and thousands of convention participants and guests will begin planning their trips to Minneapolis-Saint Paul The first week in September 2008

SO WHAT DOES ALL THIS MEAN?

This means that all of the people that registered to become a deligate for Dr. Paul can go to the convention and cast thier vote for Dr. Paul, now think about what i just said : Do you think for one second that all the people that voted for Dr. Paul and filed to become a deligate will not show up at the convention to vote for the good Doctor? Of course they will just like they battled the rain and the sleet and the 15 below zero winter weather to knock on doors and wave signs spreading our message.

Now i assure you that even though we didn't win the popular vote in many states WE DID PICK UP THE MAJORITY OF DELEGATES THAN ALL THE OTHER CANDIDATES IN MOST EVERY STATE EXCEPT A FEW. So yes they won the straw poll and we won what counts which is delegates.

Doesn't Dr. Paul need to WIN 5 states to be on the ballot at the convention for the nomination?

NO THIS IS NOT TRUE for people were just confused on how it actually works.

We only need the majority of delegates from 5 states to be put on the ballot NOT THE POPULAR VOTE OF 5 STATES and i assure you we have picked up the majority of uncommitted delegates for Dr. Paul in more than 5 states.

Do any of you remember seeing posts by myself and many others that said BECOME A DELEGATE? There is still time in most states to become a delegate for the convention and we are picking up more of them every day.

So please STOP! you worry too much because you do not understand how the election system works and you thought we lost didn't you? I assure you we have not!

The fact is Dr. Paul is a genius in his strategy and we are further ahead in delegates than you think and we can win the nomination.

I hope this gives a better understanding of how we have been winning even though most of you thought we were not.

NOW LET'S KEEP WORKING FILE TODAY AND BECOME A DELEGATE BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!

Dr. Steve Parent


http://www.dailypaul.com/node/36650

Thanks Darlene !

Dr Paul is a genuis,while the MSM and others were censoring him I'm sure he was chuckling to himself since he knew his supporters were actively going after the delegates (which will decide the nominee) while flying under the radar and the other campaigns were going after the popular vote.

Darlene is this why they were upset in Louisiana and broke campaign rules allowing other candidates to join the caucus 2 days before the vote because they realized Dr. Paul would win the delegate count ?

USPatriot wrote:

Darlene is this why they were upset in Louisiana and broke campaign rules allowing other candidates to join the caucus 2 days before the vote because they realized Dr. Paul would win the delegate count ?

You got me USPatriot, I'm just trying to learn about this delegate stuff myself.
I understood that going after the delegates was their plan from the beginning. Will it work, I don't know, but this Dr. Steve Parent seems to know the rules and he gives the website to read them.

Can they change them? I wouldn't put anything past the powers that be.

If all of this is true, at least real people will be voting instead of the Diebold voting machines.

I thought this was supposed to be impossible after Romney drooped out, maybe not.

I'm sure they will come up with something to stop this from happening. IMHO

Something fishy went on yesterday in two precincts at the end of the voting or counting when two machines went down. I bet that is why Huck is upset.

I wouldn't put it past Ron Paul to have put that letter out to throw the media off track. I am hanging on till the END! WHOO HOOO!

Ah, it doesn't work that way

Why do you all keep getting your hopes up with fuzzy math
and trying to see that system how you want to see it

It really does not work that way in real life

but maybe I'm the one wrong ,

Keep on believing if it makes you feel better

Originally Posted by usanevada

Ah, it doesn't work that way

Why do you all keep getting your hopes up with fuzzy math
and trying to see that system how you want to see it

It really does not work that way in real life

but maybe I'm the one wrong ,

Keep on believing if it makes you feel better

So tell us how does it work ?

Whoever gets to 1191 delegates wins

McCain has 723

Ron Paul has 16

Even if it would go brokered , which is very unlikely now , Paul
would have no bargining power unless the margin was extremly small

Remember Romney quit with only a few states separation
and total raw vote count only 700k behind McCain

And it was deemed very unlikely he could catch McCain

How is Paul with 16 delegates all of a sudden become the winner?

I've been in politics a long time and understand fuzzy math , but even this is beyond me

usanevada,

Don't worry your pretty little head over it.

I sure you are correct as usual.

i think the delegates are decided at the state conventions which have not occurred yet.