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    Hillary Clinton won California by over 3 million votes. It could be 4 by now. The sites that were keeping tally have all stopped and closed so I can't find the current totals for California. Does anyone have an election results site that is still updating?
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    Clinton leads Trump by over two million in popular vote




    AFP November 23, 2016
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    Washington (AFP) - Hillary Clinton is now more than two million votes ahead of President-elect Donald Trump in the popular vote count for the US presidential elections, a tally compiled by the Cook Political Report showed Wednesday.

    The Democratic candidate's 1.5 percent lead in the popular vote makes no difference to the outcome of the November 8 election, which Trump won by taking a majority of electoral votes. Clinton conceded the following day.

    But the former secretary of state's popular vote lead continues to grow.

    She has received 64,227,373 votes to Trump's 62,212,752 million, according to the Cook Political Report's latest tally, which was compiled from official sources.

    It is the second time this century that a Democrat has won the popular vote but lost the presidential election.


    In 2000, vice president Al Gore lost to George W. Bush despite winning nearly 544,000 more votes than his Republican rival.


    The Supreme Court ultimately decided that election, pushing Bush over the top in electoral votes by giving him the win in the contested state of Florida.

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    What was the final vote count?

    Although the election was held more than two weeks ago, several states are still counting votes—mainly absentee and provisional ballots—and others have yet to declare their tallies certified and official. As of yesterday (Nov. 23), Clinton was leading in the popular vote, 64.4 million to Trump’s 62.3 million. That lead is insurmountable, given that there aren’t enough votes for Trump to surpass her.

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    Latest 2016 Popular Vote Election Results: Clinton Leads Trump By 2.6 Million, Margin Grows As Votes Continue To Be Counted

    BY CHRIS RIOTTA @CHRISRIOTTA ON 12/08/16 AT 10:05 AM

    As Donald Trump selects cabinet members and prepares to take over the White House after a shocking win on Election Day, his former presidential opponent has seen the number of votes cast for her increasing by the millions across the country.

    Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has garnered at least 65,527,625 votes in the 2016 presidential election, over 2.6 million more than the president-elect, who has received at least 62,851,436 votes, according to figures released Wednesday by The Cook Report, a nonpartisan election analysis organization. Clinton now has a margin of more than two percent of the popular vote majority than Trump, as states like Florida and California continue to submit ballots from primarily Democratic-held regions like Miami and Los Angeles.


    Meanwhile, voters and third party candidates have been filing lawsuits and pushing for official recounts in states which may have had their election results compromised by foreign hacks on electronic voting machines. Other logistical issues at polling places could have deterred voters from casting their ballots on Election Day, they have said.


    Former Green Party nominee Jill Stein has been spearheading recount efforts in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, three states which would have secured the White House for Clinton had she not lost them to Trump by small margins. Stein has consistently noted her push for recounts is not to reverse the results of the 2016 election, but instead “are part of an election integrity movement to attempt to shine a light on just how untrustworthy the U.S. election system is,” according to a statement on her fundraising site, which had raked in nearly $7.2 million by Thursday.
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    Voters in Florida pointed to alleged cyberattacks on the election and reported problems at polling places in a lawsuit demanding officials conduct a statewide recount, as well. Former Reform Party candidate Roque “Rocky” de la Fuente has vowed to push for recounts in Nevada and Florida in an effort to raise awareness about voting integrity, too.

    Still, as Clinton’s popular vote count kept soaring above Trump’s and states throughout the nation begin the exhaustive process of hand-counting ballots, which began Monday in Wisconsin, the results of the election are unlikely to change. Clinton could easily secure at least three million more votes than Trump by the time all of the ballots have been counted. Yet, her Electoral College vote count will hold steady at 232 if recounts fail to reverse any state results in her favor. Trump is well over the 270-Electoral College threshold to assume the Oval Office with 306 votes.


    A handful of “Faithless” or “Hamilton” electors, meanwhile, were urging their colleagues in the Electoral College to cast votes for another formidable Republican candidate instead of the president-elect.

    At least three electors have vowed to give their vote to another GOP leader, should they present themselves as ready to become the next president. The movement isn’t likely to sway a minimum of 36 electors to rescind their votes for Trump by the time the Electoral College convenes for its official vote on Dec. 19, however.

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    I could be wrong, it's been a long time, but in my civics class, I learned that we did not/were not supposed to have, a democracy.

    We are supposed to have a representative republic. We are supposed to be a group of states - under one
    central government who was supposed to have very, very limited powers.
    The power to make decisions over our daily lives was supposed to reside with our own states. People can have more control of their lives through state government, that's the theory anyway.

    For that reason, I think they designed the electoral college so a state could retain it's own voice and not just become part of the masses. The thing we are not supposed to be.

    We have gone so far off track, Washington now dictates how bathrooms are designated - can you believe that?

    Again, history has changed, perhaps civics has changed as well, since I went to school.

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