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    Pros Cons and Methodologies for opposing CFR

    I have been thinking about the CFR lately and doing some research. It is fairly obvious that it is in the least a superpower in the realm of political influence and there is no means of checks and balances for the public affected by its policy.

    What would be some methods that could be used to begin a call for the disbanding of the Council on Foreign Relations?

    I don't see a resolution to any of America's problems, or even the worlds for that matter, while the CFR exists. It has to be the single most invasive entity in the United States into personal freedom and liberty. Its constant cycle of nepotism and favor flows more freely thru our government than the peoples wants and demands do.

    The CFR is about as unconsitutional as an organization can get. How do we educate the public? Make it an issue?

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    Chosen,

    There's another extremely influential organization, Project For The New American Century which you can review at:

    http://www.newamericancentury.org/state ... ciples.htm

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    Chosen wrote
    The CFR is about as unconsitutional as an organization can get. How do we educate the public? Make it an issue?
    Great idea, Chosen. I as well think that the CFR is a cancer of communism growing on the side of Liberty while choking her freedom with the disappearance of the Bill of Rights. I think it's criminal that the members of the CFR with regard to its intentions and philosohpy are pervasive throughout our government and the media. This membership and its aggression exists at all levels of affluence.

    I find it very interesting that Dick Cheney once said at a meeting that he was once Director or whatever the head position is and that for the election of 2000 during his campaigning, he didn't mention that he was a member of the CFR, or the Director of it. I've seen it in a video and will find it if I can.

    It has been reported that when a cancer is attacked, it can acutally start spreading to areas not affected by the attack. Hence, my analogy with the with the facists and traitorist members of the CFR. If you attempt to disband their crafty group, they will just spend their days reorganizing with the same agenda and continue to attack those freedoms for people like you and I. They lead miserable lives if all they can do with their power, resource and money is dream of how to get even more. They have been corrupted by evil and for that, I believe their lives are a living hell. They don't know how to let be, or to say no to other groups like the Bilderbergs or the U.N. that are inflicted with the same evil. They lack the ability to experience the promotioin of the human phenomonon or experience, or better yet, life (I don't mean being pro-life) and this is why they think the key to organization is restriction of freedom. What is worse is that they lack the intestional fortitude to back our Constitution.

    Getting rid of the CFR will be like giving the devil notice to vacate the premises. Maybe this is more literal than it sounds.

    Too bad that all of this is more truth than rant.
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    The main obstacles we face with the CFR are its money, its right to peaceful assembly, and its right to petition. However, there are several things we can do to cause the organization to lose its sway on American politics. These thoughts come to mind.

    1) We need to understand the enemy. Tragedy and Hope, by Carroll Quigley, is supposedly the larger roadmap of what the CFR and like-minded organizations intend to follow. Quigley was Clinton's mentor and was an insider of this push to one world government. He agreed with the idea - his only complaint that was that it was being kept secret by the elites. I hear this book mentioned time and again. People need to read it, so we fully understand what we are up against. Only then can we hope to defeat these internationalist forces.

    2) Marshall opposition against those forces. Inform the American people of what CFR is doing and what they do to harm the country. The average citizen is vehemently opposed to the things the CFR stands for - internationalism, the lose of sovereignty, solidifying power in the hands of a few, etc. Ideally, we end up putting the CFR into the Halliburton category. This class of elites have said time and time again that they cannot operate when the spotlight of society is upon them. We need to flip over a few of their rocks and let the sunlight in. The grassroots movement in this country is something they truly fear, because they can buy off the necessary people in Congress. They can't bribe 240 million people, or even 2 million. People are ready to retake their country; they just don't know where to focus their anger. Morale will also need to be improved among the general populace that they can change their country.

    3) Most importantly, we need a tireless, irate minority to continue pressing D.C. to change. We need people who will dedicate large amounts of their time and energy to a single goal. ALIPAC is a great example of people coming together and working toward a common goal day in and day out. If we hope to defeat things like the CFR, you can have a big membership, but the most important thing is having a dedicated core group of activists. The CFR itself has only 4,000 members, after all.

    4) Create loose alliances and cooperative pacts among various grassroots groups. There is a saying that two people working together have the power of four individuals working apart; four working together have the power of eight; eight the power of sixteen, and so forth. The Ron Paul campaign showed is that people of amazing different worldviews can come together and work toward a common goal because it is in their self-interest to do so. For the Ron Paul campaign, that was smaller government and more individual liberty. That movement brought together conservatives, democrats, libertarians, socialists, republicans, constitutionalist, and more. This decentralization makes it harder to stop the movement as a whole. If you only have to buy off one group or one guy with money/jobs/opportunities/threats, it makes it easier to rout the opposition.

    5) Run for Congress. Ultimately, in the world of politics, knowledge without power is useless. We need to get our own people into the seats of power - namely the U.S. Congress. G. Edward Griffin has a great video that argues this point very eloquently. It is on Google Video and the title is "An Idea Whose Time Has Come".

    6) Intellectually combat the ideas put forth by the CFR. One of the main goals of that organization is to provide the intellectual justification for their ultimate goals and also to confound the opposition. There are a number of existing think tanks that refute several key support columns of the CFR's long term goal. The Federal Reserve and the IRS provide the motor of what they wish the federal government to accomplish. Without those entities, the CFR's goal would never reach fruition. The von Mises Institute shows why, from an economic standpoint, the central planning of the Federal Reserve is ill-conceived and untenable. Much of their work is based off Nobel-prize winning economist F.A. Hayek, so the intellectual machinery exist. It is just a matter of educating the masses.
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    education

    So many people have no idea what the cfr is. I am giving out video's to people about the history of the fed. You can get Aaron Russo's America: Freedom to Fascism ...activists copies..for 1.25 each to hand out here:

    www.freedomtofascism.com

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    The problem with Freedom to Fascism is it spends too much time on income tax. I think this video is much better, it is short and to the point, it talks about who the CFR is, who started it, how they control the press, and shows their headquarters in NYC. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tcgd67Sxvzo

    What I wonder is how can we make copies of this and distribute it?
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    good one

    That is a good one..problem is you can't download those youtube videos. I wonder if that is a snippet from a longer film?

    The reason I like Russo's is because EVERYONE can relate to the IRS..then it eases into the rest of the story.

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    These are all great ideas.

    One problem I have encountered is the fact that not very many people are aware of the CFR. So you have to engage in a definition of the organization first, which ultimately dilutes the argument.

    I would agree that education is key. I am actually bringing it up in as many conversations as possible. Even folding it in like :"...yeah he's just another CFR candidate. I wonder how many of them are cfr members..." That seems to put the interrogative in someone elses court if they don't know what the CFR is and a definition foloowing is not so diluted.

    You can download video from youtube or google by using the video download plugin, made for firefox. It is called download helper, or something to that effect.

    What are some obstacles folk have run into in explaining the CFR to others?

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    The book "Shadows of Power" by James Perloff, is an excellent source of information, to inform others with: www.amazon.com/review/RR6D228W1PY17

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    As I have talked to people over the last few years, people at first thought I was a wacko when I talked of the NWO, CFR and all the things we have been reading and talking about for years now. It was hard for me because people really laughed at me and called me stupid. Saying "dude if you really believe that stuff you are out there" but I just held my tung because I could see it all coming to fruition, they couldn't. I took the tactic of not telling the most extreme ideas of the NWO and CFR and just talked about the suddle things. I'd tell them go to the CFR or SPP website, and tell them, they tell you what they want to do, and yet you refuse to believe these things. They always had MSM talking points to throw back at me as if the MSM was the real world. I had one guy tell me the government was too stupid to do 9-11 yet he believed the army could do anything. I was like dude, the army is the government!

    As they watched the MSM they suddenly learned to listen to what they heard and then make the human trail of reason in their minds. Thinking with all the bad news about mortgages, food prices, gas prices, healthcare and everything going up then something must be wrong when Bush says the ecomony isn't in trouble. If everything is sound as Bush says then why do the banks need bailed out every other week? Why does the government inject the stock market with billions every month? They realize that when they see the dow going down and the dollar sinking that contridicts what the CNBC analyst are saying about everything being good. They read the employment numbers and see everyone losing their homes and they ask, how can everyone be working and so many people losing their homes? Then you have the ones that are hurting financially themselves who of course, see the light quicker. They know they have done all they can do and they are quickly sinking finanically. They don't even have sub prime mortgages. As one guy asked me: My wife and I each work 50 hours a week and harldy see our kids, what more can we do? This is outrageous!

    So, I get the feeling as the people get broker and broker the more they will say enough MSM! I'm sick of your lies. They'll tell the politicians that they are crooks and traitors as they learn everything is about the money and when the globalist and the government say money, they mean all the money. People that are doing really good right now are totally brainwashed on the MSM. They think them ever being effected is looney and totally impossible. They will be wrong because when everything gets sucked out from the bottom up, only the few at the very top are out of reach of the sucking machine.

    Unfortunately, the only way people in a materialistic society learn is by losing their materials, then that learning curve tends to get real short.

    How do we fight the global elites? I always thought the best way to fight this is the people in masses but until the majority of the people get on the same page that won't work. The best thing I would say that we can do right now is focus on the up coming elections and try to elect new ordinary common sense citizens at every level of government. We don't need politicians, we need Americans. if we could do this I think we could break this chain of evil.
    Unless we get those criminals & make them pay for what they have done to our country and the lawlessness they have sponsored, we are just another Mexico ourselves!

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