Thread: The 'Queen of the Hill' on a DACA Deal

jtdc wrote:

If you stop picking and choosing, and take into custody, and deport, all illegal aliens we find, we will get rid of the gang members as well. But if you must prove they are a gang member or other criminal before you can deport them, you will never win!

Yes, exactly. It adds a second burden of proof that isn't necessary for a deportation in the United States.

Originally Posted by jtdc

No, we have the resources. But politics gets in the way. When a cop stops a car for some violation, the officer SHOULD be required to check legality of the driver. If they are not legal, they must be taken into custody, not released. Pretty soon, they would run out of cars and would dare not drive. That would cripple them from getting to work or having illegal businesses. That would put a dent in the illegal's attraction to be here.

No! If you stop picking and choosing, and take into custody, and deport, all illegal aliens we find, we will get rid of the gang members as well. But if you must prove they are a gang member or other criminal before you can deport them, you will never win!

No, actually we don't have the necessary resources and it's politics that hold us back. If we had the resources, we would have the Trump border wall, more BP, more ICE agents, more detention capacity, etc. More directed funding = more resources. More resources = more efficiency and capability.

It's not "picking and choosing," it's focusing our limited resources where we'll get the most bang for our buck. I see you conveniently left off my comment regarding the rounding up of all those we come into contact while going after the more violent ones. No illegal that comes into contact with law enforcement should get a free pass. However, willy-nilly (random) enforcement will expend our resources haphazardly and allow many of the violent criminals to remain free for longer periods of time, which could mean more senseless deaths. However, I also believe our focusing efforts should include large scale business raids. I'm talking about raids where we can pop 50 to 200 illegals at one time.

Once our primary focused targets have dried up somewhat, we can then readjust our focus accordingly. Flailing about like a crippled octopus with too many arms just isn't smart, efficient enforcement.

Originally Posted by MW

No, actually we don't have the necessary resources and it's politics that hold us back. If we had the resources, we would have the Trump border wall, more BP, more ICE agents, more detention capacity, etc.

Granted, those would help. But it is properly using the resources we already have. City and state police detaining illegal aliens and turning them over to ICE would would take away from the secure feeling illegal aliens have when they feel they only have to fear ICE. Those resources are there right now, but are not being used. Again, granted, sanctuary cities running interference are a big part of the problem. But then again, if the feds prosecuted police, mayors, governors, and such, under existing laws, those would soon disappear. And we don't need additional resources for all of them. Libby Schaff and a couple of others off to prison, and you wouldn't need more jails, BP officers or immigration judges.

Originally Posted by MW

More directed funding = more resources. More resources = more efficiency and capability.

So you think throwing more money at the problem will make it go away?

Originally Posted by MW

It's not "picking and choosing," it's focusing our limited resources where we'll get the most bang for our buck.

Correct!

Originally Posted by MW

I see you conveniently left off my comment regarding the rounding up of all those we come into contact while going after the more violent ones. No illegal that comes into contact with law enforcement should get a free pass.

THAT'S WHAT I SAID!

Originally Posted by MW

However, I also believe our focusing efforts should include large scale business raids. I'm talking about raids where we can pop 50 to 200 illegals at one time.

Fine, if you deport them rather that giving those who don't have a criminal record or an already existing deportation order, a 180 days to report for a court hearing. If they are not here legally, they go right now!

Another thing they did under Obama's DACA was adjust their status by using AP (advance parole). With AP they were able to leave the U.S. for family emergencies, work related business and school related studies. When they returned their records were adjusted to show they entered the U.S. legally.
They really took advantage and abused advance parole but for some reason even though they are again getting DACA they are not being issued advance parole. This is a huge deal to them and one of their complaints. Poor babies.

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