Thread: Senate : amnesty approved, fence only 370 miles !

By DAVID ESPO, AP Special Correspondent
52 minutes ago

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060518/...co/immigration

WASHINGTON - The Senate agreed to give millions of illegal immigrants a shot at U.S. citizenship and backed construction of 370 miles of triple-layered fencing along the Mexican border Wednesday. Prospects for legislation clearing Congress were clouded by a withering attack against President Bush by a prominent House Republican.

"Regardless of what the president says, what he is proposing is amnesty," said Rep. James Sensenbrenner, R-Wis., the lawmaker who would lead House negotiators in any attempt to draft a compromise immigration bill later this year.

Bush stood his ground. "The Republican Party needs to lead on the issue of immigration," he told an audience of GOP donors, "...America can be a lawful society and a welcoming society and we don't have to choose between the two."

The blast by Sensenbrenner, chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, came on the day the White House dispatched top presidential aide Karl Rove to ease the concerns of rebellious House Republicans and GOP senators clashed on the Senate floor.

"This is not amnesty, so let's get the terms right," Sen. Chuck Hagel of Nebraska lectured fellow Republicans who condemned the bill. "Come on. Let's stop the nonsense."

"It sort of reminds me of the famous line, `Methinks thou dost protest too much,'" responded Sen. David Vitter, R-La..

Rhetoric aside, the votes on the Senate floor gave fresh momentum to legislation that closely follows Bush's call for a broad bill. The measure includes steps to secure the borders, the citizenship-related provisions for illegal immigrants and a new guest worker program for as many as 200,000 people a year. Senate passage appears likely next week.

The political wheels turned as demonstrators massed within sight of the Capitol demanding greater rights for immigrants, the latest evidence of rising passions in connection with efforts to write the most significant overhaul of immigration law in two decades.

With the administration eager to emphasize its commitment to border security, officials continued to flesh out details of Bush's Monday night announcement that he would send up to 6,000 National Guard troops to states along the Mexican border.

Lt. Gen. Steven Blum, chief of the National Guard Bureau, raised the possibility that Guard members could be sent over the objections of a state's governor.

"If a governor truly did not want this mission performed in their state, then the option is there for the president and the secretary of defense to federalize the Guard. And then the mission would be conducted, and then it would be without the control of the governor," he said.

Vitter led the drive to strip from the bill a provision giving an eventual chance at citizenship to illegal immigrants who have been in the country more than two years. His attempt failed, 66-33, at the hands of a bipartisan coalition, and the provision survived. In all, 41 Democrats joined with 24 Republicans and one independent to turn back the proposal. Opponents included the leaders of both parties, Sens. Bill Frist, R-Tenn., and Harry Reid, D-Nev. Thirty-one Republicans and two Democrats supported Vitter's amendment.

The vote to build what supporters called a "real fence" — as distinct from the virtual fence already incorporated in the legislation — was 83-16. The fence would be built in areas "most often used by smugglers and illegal aliens," as determined by federal officials. Sen. Jeff Sessions (news, bio, voting record), R-Ala., estimated the cost at roughly $3.2 million per mile, more than $900 million for 300 miles.

The provision includes a call for construction of 500 miles of vehicle barriers, adding to a system currently in place.

It marked the first significant victory for conservatives eager to leave their stamp on a measure that looks increasingly like it is headed toward Senate passage.

Construction would send "a signal that open-border days are over. ... Good fences make good neighbors, fences don't make bad neighbors," Sessions said. He said border areas where barriers are in place have experienced economic improvement and reduced crime.

"What we have here has become a symbol for the right wing in American politics," countered Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill. He said if the proposal passed, "our relationship with Mexico would come down to a barrier between our two countries."

All Republicans and more than half the Senate's Democrats supported the proposal. A core group of bill supporters who have held off other more serious challenges in the past two days made little attempt to fight this one, judging it far less damaging than the attack on the citizenship provision or an attempt on Tuesday to strip out a guest worker program.

Supporters of the Senate measure credited Bush's prime-time Monday night speech with giving fresh momentum to the effort to pass long-stalled legislation.

Across the Capitol in the House, the story was different.

Sensenbrenner's remarks were unusually sharp, given his chairmanship. "He said four times this is not amnesty. Well, it is an amnesty, because it allows people who have broken the law to stay in the country," he said of the positions Bush staked out in his speech earlier in the week.

In a conference call with reporters, Sensenbrenner also said Bush had "basically turned his back" on a tough border security bill after requesting that certain provisions be included before passage last year.

The House legislation passed over strenuous Democratic opposition. It would make all illegal aliens subject to prosecution as felons and calls for construction of a 700-mile fence along the Mexican border — more than twice as long as the barrier the Senate backed during the day.

Several members of the rank-and-file have criticized Bush for his proposals. To calm their concerns, Rove attended the regular closed door meeting of the rank and file, where participants said he sought to reassure lawmakers about the administration's commitment to securing the borders

Asam :

So, weren't we promised a 700 miles fence instead of the 370 mile fence ? the 370 miles is not even 20% of the border !

Wouldn't all illegal aliens be felons, but now they can apply for citizenship ? Why did it take me 18 years to become US citizen and had to do a lot of paperwork during all those years, while illegal aliens jump in - stay illegally - and finally get citizenship. Wasn't America the land were laws were respected ? I'm considering to pack my bags again and move back to my country of brith or to Australia - a country that DOES deport or keep illegal aliens out.

What a stupid game.

Illegals run across the border.

build the fence where they come across,
They move around the fence,
Build the fence a little longer,
They move around the fence,
Build the fence a little longer...

Why not just do the job right? I thought that was part of being American, do it right.

Originally Posted by asam

So, weren't we promised a 700 miles fence instead of the 370 mile fence ? the 370 miles is not even 20% of the border !

Wouldn't all illegal aliens be felons, but now they can apply for citizenship ? Why did it take me 18 years to become US citizen and had to do a lot of paperwork during all those years, while illegal aliens jump in - stay illegally - and finally get citizenship. Wasn't America the land were laws were respected ? I'm considering to pack my bags again and move back to my country of brith or to Australia - a country that DOES deport or keep illegal aliens out.

I believe the HB 4437 is calling for a 700 mile barrier. Maybe they could add them together and come up with half of what's needed.

I can't say I blame you for considering leaving. It's a slap in the face by the president and senate to every US citizen who has taken the time and trouble to become naturalized.

What about folks who jumped thru the hoops getting together for a class action lawsuit?

Originally Posted by had_enuf

Originally Posted by asam

So, weren't we promised a 700 miles fence instead of the 370 mile fence ? the 370 miles is not even 20% of the border !

Wouldn't all illegal aliens be felons, but now they can apply for citizenship ? Why did it take me 18 years to become US citizen and had to do a lot of paperwork during all those years, while illegal aliens jump in - stay illegally - and finally get citizenship. Wasn't America the land were laws were respected ? I'm considering to pack my bags again and move back to my country of brith or to Australia - a country that DOES deport or keep illegal aliens out.

I believe the HB 4437 is calling for a 700 mile barrier. Maybe they could add them together and come up with half of what's needed.

I can't say I blame you for considering leaving. It's a slap in the face by the president and senate to every US citizen who has taken the time and trouble to become naturalized.

What about folks who jumped thru the hoops getting together for a class action lawsuit?

I will stay, but I just got emotional for what I all had to do to become citizen while others jump the border. It's just not fair. The HR 4437 is indeed calling for a 700 mile barrier, but I think they made a compromize to make the fence only 370 miles. It's not only a lsap in my face, but also a slap in the face of the millions that came legally. i'm not against immigration at all, I support immigration, but only LEGAL immigration. We, as americans, can disagree on how many LEGAL immigrants we allow per year, but we all should agree that ILLEGAL immigration should not be tolerated !

My sister-in-law jumped thru the hoops just like you did. She's outraged that they're even talking about legalizing these line jumpers.

Originally Posted by had_enuf

My sister-in-law jumped thru the hoops just like you did. She's outraged that they're even talking about legalizing these line jumpers.

i'm outrage too, but what can I do about it ?
the president backs it, the senate backs it.
We lost this battle, but we should continue to fight for a 2,000 mile fence, just like the Berlin Wall. It did work ! And when I said the Berlin Wall, I just meant the barrier, I would never advocate shooting people like what was the policy during the cold war

If I get slapped in the face, I slap back as good as I can.
How can I leave if that's exactly what the Aztlan fanatics want me to do?
They say "Go back to Europe!" I AIN'T LEAVING!

Originally Posted by legalgal

If I get slapped in the face, I slap back as good as I can.
How can I leave if that's exactly what the Aztlan fanatics want me to do?
They say "Go back to Europe!" I AIN'T LEAVING!

Go back to Europe? I say MAKE ME!! never happen little mexicans, never happen.

Let's see..........370 miles of fence.........500 miles of vehicle barriers.......that's 870 miles out of 2,000 border miles. Phew!!!!!!!!
That will surely keep out all those who will be waiting at the back of the line to do things the right way.
Nobody will dare to cross over the other 1130 miles that will be left wide open. We can all be safe in knowing that.
We might even be able to sleep with our doors open and unlocked again, huh? Fencing and vehicle barriers on 870 miles out of 2000 miles of borders should give us all one heck of a good, safe feeling