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    Smart people have finally figured out that voting is rigged...

    Smart people have finally figured out that voting is rigged...
    and of all the millions in America....
    we always get stuck with the same families of dim wits...
    who are just paid for actors and get paid handsomely...
    to be tyrants over our entire lives..
    They don't work for us any more..
    They work for Corporations...
    and to the highest bidder goes the two candidates...
    that they allow us to choose from...
    and we are told we get a choice...
    That's just an illusion. All the world is a stage.
    If you can't really fathom this...
    allow Princeton University to share some truth with you.
    http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews...s-an-oligarchy

    https://www.princeton.edu/~mgilens/Gilens%20homepage%20materials/Gilens%20and%20Page/Gilens%20and%20Page%202014-Testing%20Theories%203-7-14.pdf

    We are no longer a Republic or a Democracy
    we are a Oligarch... LET that sink in...
    What always fascinates me is how one can read this...
    agree with it... and yet still cling to the right or left party.
    To me that's just the true meaning of cognitive dissonance.
    


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    Thursday, 24 April 2014 09:45
    Princeton/Northwestern Study Seems to Conclude U.S. an Oligarchy

    Written by Warren Mass


    An April 9 report by Martin Gilens, a professor of politics at Princeton University, and Benjamin Page, a political science professor at Northwestern University, finds that the majority does not rule in the United States. The researchers further conclude “that if policymaking is dominated by powerful business organizations and a small number of affluent Americans, then America’s claims to being a democratic society are seriously threatened.”
    Gilens’ and Page’s paper is entitled “Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens.”
    Since the report’s conclusions fit the definition of an oligarchy — a form of government in which power rests with a small number of people — many journalists immediately seized on that term to describe Gilens’ and Page’s findings. And while the authors did refer to the term in their report (e.g., “Most recently, Jeffrey Winters has posited a comparative theory of ‘Oligarchy,’ in which the wealthiest citizens — even in a ‘civil oligarchy’” like the United States — dominate policy concerning crucial issues of wealth- and income-protection”) they did not, themselves, use the term to describe the current U.S. power structure.

    When journalist Matt Phillips of the Quartz news commentary website asked Gilens about the accuracy of the media’s use of oligarchy to describe the report’s conclusions, the professor replied, “It’s not an unfair characterization.” But, upon further consideration, he added, “It’s a little bit alarmist.”

    Whether they define the United States as an oligarchy or not — they use the term “economic elite domination” — the professors’ statements strongly point in that direction, prompting pundits to supply the presumed label. As one example, the professors wrote:
    The central point that emerges from our research is that economic elites and organized groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on U.S. government policy, while mass-based interest groups and average citizens have little or no independent influence.

    In compiling their research, the authors define and study what they consider to be the “four theoretical traditions in the study of American politics.” They label these four theories as Majoritarian Electoral Democracy, Economic Elite Domination, and “two types of interest group pluralism, Majoritarian Pluralism and Biased Pluralism.” These can be briefly defined as follows:

    Majoritarian Electoral Democracy: U.S. government policies are determined chiefly by the collective will of average citizens, who are seen as empowered by democratic elections. The authors refer to de Tocqueville’s view of American majorities as “omnipotent” and consequently worried about the “tyranny of the majority.”

    Economic Elite Domination: “U.S. policy making is dominated by individuals who have substantial economic resources, i.e. high levels of income and/or wealth — including, but not limited to, ownership of business firms.” The authors note that some “elite theorists” regard social status and institutional positions as being as influential as wealth and some see a combination of social status, economic resources, and institutional position as being the source of powerful influence.

    Majoritarian Pluralism: The authors cite Madison’s analysis of “factions” in Federalist Number 10 and summarize the Founders' belief “that struggles among the diverse factions that would be found in an extensive Republic would lead to policies more or less representative of the needs and interests of the citizenry as a whole — or at least would tend to defeat "tyrannical" policies, including the much-feared issuance of inflationary paper money that might cater to local majority factions of farmer-debtors but be costly to merchant creditors.

    Biased Pluralism: “Theories of biased pluralism generally argue that both the thrust of interest group conflict and the public policies that result tend to tilt toward the wishes of corporations and business and professional associations,” write the authors, who believe that the biases of special interest groups invariably favor big business.

    These constituencies are not necessarily at odds with one another, note the authors, who write, “... our evidence does not indicate that in U.S. policy making the average citizen always loses out. Since the preferences of ordinary citizens tend to be positively correlated with the preferences of economic elites, ordinary citizens often win the policies they want, even if they are more or less coincidental beneficiaries rather than causes of the victory. (Emphasis in original.)
    One statement made by the authors recognizes that our Founders structured our republican (though they do not label it as such) form of government to check the excesses of democracy (which they likewise do not specifically address):
    A final point: even in a bivariate, descriptive sense, our evidence indicates that the responsiveness of the U.S. political system when the general public wants government action is severely limited. Because of the impediments to majority rule that were deliberately built into the U.S. political system — federalism, separation of powers, bicameralism — together with further impediments due to anti-majoritarian congressional rules and procedures, the system has a substantial status quo bias. Thus when popular majorities favor the status quo, opposing a given policy change, they are likely to get their way; but when a majority — even a very large majority — of the public favors change, it is not likely to get what it wants. (Emphasis in original.)

    While recognizing that the impediments to majority rule (democracy) were deliberately built into the U.S. political system, the authors present an obvious pro-democracy bias that is far from unusual in our current society:
    In any case, normative advocates of populistic democracy may not be enthusiastic about democracy by coincidence, in which ordinary citizens get what they want from government only when they happen to agree with elites or interest groups that are really calling the shots.

    Media reports of the Princeton-Northwestern paper were quick to portray it as an epitaph for democracy, which has been replaced by an oligarchy, as though these two extremes were the only workable forms of government. Missing from these articles, as well as the research paper, itself, is a serious look at the form of government our Founders gave us, which Benjamin Franklin described to a Mrs. Powel of Philadelphia. When she asked Franklin as he emerged from the Constitutional Convention of 1787: “Well, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?” Franklin responded, “A republic, if you can keep it.”

    The impediments to majority rule (democracy) that, as Gilens and Page note, were deliberately built into the U.S. political system — federalism, separation of powers, and bicameralism — were placed there for good reason. Before the Constitutional Convention of 1787 commenced, our Founders had studied the many forms of government found throughout world history. Stressing the importance of maintaining the rule of law (a republic) over simply the will of the majority (democracy), Jefferson said: “In questions of power, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.”

    In a debate during the Convention on the procedures for electing members to the House of Representatives, Massachusetts delegate Elbridge Gerry observed: “The evils we experience flow from the excess of democracy. The people do not want [lack] virtue, but are the dupes of pretended patriots. In Massachusetts it had been fully confirmed by experience, that they are daily misled into the most baneful measures and opinions, by the false reports circulated by designing men, and which no one on the spot can refute.”

    When Jefferson returned from France, while breakfasting with Washington, he asked him why he agreed to a Senate. Senators, under the original Constitution, were appointed by the state legislatures and not popularly elected.
    “Why,” asked Washington, “did you just now pour that coffee into your saucer before drinking it?”

    “To cool it,” said Jefferson; “my throat is not made of brass.”

    “Even so,” said Washington, “we pour our legislation into the Senatorial saucer to cool it.”

    While the concerns of many that our nation may be evolving into an oligarchy may be well founded, it is not the loss of democracy that should be most feared, but the loss of our Republic.

    Related articles:
    The Constitution: Beacon of Hope for Restoring the Republic
    Nullification vs. Constitutional Convention: How to Save Our Republic
    Bicentennial Plot

    http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews...s-an-oligarchy


    PS the article from Princeton was 42 pages long in PDF format to much for me to bring over but it is linked above for your viewing!!!
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    I am always uncomfortable with the often stated idea that the mega rich control the government. To look at politics in that way puts the emphasis at the wrong place. The problem is not that businesses become too rich; tyranny, real tyranny is always caused by too big, too powerful government with no limitations on its power. A business man can not force you to use his service or buy his products, but the government can force you to do that (for their favorite business allies). Good examples are Obamacare, gas-alcohol, and florescent light bulbs etc.

    Which comes first the chicken or the egg? Certainly the mega rich influence government but the government likewise has life and death control over businesses through its pervasive regulation of virtually all economic activity. Powerful government bureaucracies have the power to destroy any business. Look at coal mining for example. The government is putting those corporations out of business with EPA regulations while Al Gore and his green hippie “businesses”are getting rich selling extremely inefficient methods of producing energy.

    The real situation is an unholy alliance of big money and big government. This is what has perverted immigration laws. It has become a symbiotic relationship where one lives off of the other. Remember most politicians start out as political hacks and end up rich. But the bottom line is that the cure is to curtail the size and power of government. The super rich can not bestow power on the government that the common people will not tolerate. To attempt direct control of business is pure Marxism; it is exactly what has created this monster all powerful government and the corruption of once honest businesses. What we have is a fascistic economy. To control people’s economic activities is a direct assault on their most basic freedom. If we keep our goal and emphasis on small government, with limited power, there will be little benefit and therefore desire for the mega rich to influence the government.
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