Thread: Trump gives young feminist the brush-off on equal pay and abortion

Judy wrote:

Well, he didn't get this white woman's vote or Mom's, or my sister's, or any other female in our family. It doesn't take too many of those to lose an election.

In Romney's case, he lost the gender cap by the widest margin of any President since 1952.

Yes, I've acknowledge that is true. However, I told you why that may be and the reasoning had very little to do with women's issues. One more time: The majority of white women in this country voted Romney and a high percentage of black/Hispanic women voted for Obama. As I said earlier, an extremely high percentage of the black voting population, including black women, voted for Obama simply because he was black and Democrat. As for the Hispanic women, it is my position that they voted mostly on the immigration issue, not women's issues.

Originally Posted by Captainron

Judy you keep arguing different points than what the guys are making. Yes, women are good organizers, and able to read better than men. In fact we had a US Senate candidate here, who is both a skilled neurosurgeon and would have been able to handle the Senate---she is brilliant. But what about those of us who work hard but are not capable of that brilliant mental activity? We want our jobs to be protected---so yes maybe we add up to less capable people, when everything is factored in. But then it is obvious that when a job requires strength, men can do it. And not just do it here and then, but repeatedly over the years. If you don't have the strength you will eventually end up with injuries that cost society or you endanger someone. Plus, men have broader experience at some things, thus have better problem solving ability. Lots of things are not learned in a book.

I am sure that more and more high level opportunities will open up for women. Presently female physicians tend not to be able to handle the stress of intensive surgery. But as remote technologies improve---and women are good at mastering those--they will increasingly occupy those roles. But since this is a bipartisan forum, I am incensed when women become corporate climbers and the corporation is a nasty bunch of money grubbers. And it is those kinds of people who support illegal immigration, too.

I agree with you. But we need not be our own enemies. No one wants to protect your jobs more than the women of this country. Women have always supported men in all that they do, want, need and aspire to do and have. Always. When have women in this country not always had your backs? It's time for men to have ours, and most men do, that's why things are much better than they used to be, but they still aren't right, yet.

For generations women have endured discrimination and worked hard to end it, to open doors for other opportunities, and fight for equal rights and proper working conditions. My Mom had to do it, I've had to do it, my sister has had to do it, and the next generation will still have to do it. I think with women's rights, one more generation will settle it all, because the young men have no problem with it, none at all. They've been raised by working women, they know the issue and the unfairness, they don't think it's right, and they want it corrected as much as the young women, because they've seen the struggles, they know the hardships, and they don't want that in our country any more.

She is full time staffer for Kelly Ayotte and working for Jeb Bush's campaign.

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Originally Posted by MW

Judy wrote:



Yes, I've acknowledge that is true. However, I told you why that may be and the reasoning had very little to do with women's issues. One more time: The majority of white women in this country voted Romney and a high percentage of black/Hispanic women voted for Obama. As I said earlier, an extremely high percentage of the black voting population, including black women, voted for Obama simply because he was black and Democrat. As for the Hispanic women, it is my position that they voted mostly on the immigration issue, not women's issues.

The losses of our party due to bad policies can not be blamed on or explained away by the race or gender of an American Voter or of an American Candidate.

Mitt Romney did not lose the election because black women voted for Barack Obama. Mitt Romney lost the election because he lost the women vote. He lost the women vote by the largest margin since 1952, the year Gallup started counting the gender gap in US Presidential elections.

And the same thing will happen in 2016 unless we change the policies that not only keep Americans away from our party, but cause our own members to stand their ground and say "OH HELL NO", and vote for other candidates.

It's time for a major Reality Check in the Republican Party. The GOP can either adjust and win or continue on in defeat. It's a simple matter of: Choice.

Originally Posted by Judy

The losses of our party due to bad policies can not be blamed on or explained away by the race or gender of an American Voter or of an American Candidate.

Mitt Romney did not lose the election because black women voted for Barack Obama. Mitt Romney lost the election because he lost the women vote. He lost the women vote by the largest margin since 1952, the year Gallup started counting the gender gap in US Presidential elections.

And the same thing will happen in 2016 unless we change the policies that not only keep Americans away from our party, but cause our own members to stand their ground and say "OH HELL NO", and vote for other candidates.

It's time for a major Reality Check in the Republican Party. The GOP can either adjust and win or continue on in defeat. It's a simple matter of: Choice.

You're not listening. Honestly, I feel like trying to logically discuss something with you is like talking to a wall at times. Your mind is frequesntly closed to anyone that may suggest something that differs with your own ideas and thoughts.

Originally Posted by MW

You're not listening. Honestly, I feel like trying to logically discuss something with you is like talking to a wall at times. Your mind is frequesntly closed to anyone that may suggest something that differs with your own ideas and thoughts.

What a shame you always see it that way, because this is the way it really is. I'm Pro-Choice, I totally and 100% believe in the rights of pregnant girls and women to terminate an unwanted pregnancy without any dictates, mandates, estoppel or other interference by a bunch of goons in our government.

I'm Pro-FairTax, I totally and 100% believe that the income tax is the highest grade of socialism and economic tyranny on the American People, and thus want the mandatory income tax code repealed, the IRS abolished, and replaced with a national retail sales tax on new goods with services with a Rebate that offsets the cost of the tax on essentials for any citizen or legal resident who wants it, regardless of income.

I'm Pro-Equal Rights, and that means for everyone, minorities, women, gays, people with disabilities and anyone else who is victimized by who they are. These are issues I was born and raised to believe in, these are issues that our family for generations has believed in, these are just some of the liberties our nation was founded on, these are the freedoms we're supposed to support as a Nation, these are issues I've studied and researched and the longer I live, the more important they become.

These are also the views, principles and foundations of the original Republican Party and anyone who underestimates the power of that foundation, despite the recent changes in our party platform, is overestimating themselves.

Originally Posted by Newmexican

That's what we in the US call domestic violence, and thanks to Feminists it doesn't go unpunished but it still continues and some believe it's an epidemic in the United States.

30 Shocking Domestic Violence Statistics That Remind Us It's An Epidemic
The Huffington Post | By Alanna Vagianos

Posted: 10/23/2014 9:25 am EDT Updated: 02/13/2015 9:59 am EST
The number of American troops killed in Afghanistan and Iraq between 2001 and 2012 was 6,488. The number of American women who were murdered by current or ex male partners during that time was 11,766. That's nearly double the amount of casualties lost during war.

Women are much more likely to be victims of intimate partner violence with 85 percent of domestic abuse victims being women and 15 percent men. Too many women have been held captive by domestic violence -- whether through physical abuse, financial abuse, emotional abuse or a combination of all three.

We are inundated with news stories about domestic violence , from athletes beating their significant others in public elevators or in their own homes to celebrities publicly abusing their girlfriends. This problem is not one that will go away quickly or quietly.

As Domestic Violence Awareness Month comes to an end, discussions about intimate partner abuse and its horrible repercussions should not. In an attempt to illustrate the gravity of abuse all genders (but largely women) face in the U.S., we rounded up 30 statistics on domestic violence.

Continued in link below.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/1...n_5959776.html

I have a previous post saying that holding the Stop signs at the end of a road repair crew is always done by a woman;

This is my reply to the following quote from Judy who responded to my earlier post.

Judy posted: “Oh my goodness. Who did those jobs before women were allowed to do them? Some pansy ass man? Did you claim they were cooking the books when males were the only ones doing those jobs? Was it considered "women'swork" when men did it? Did you wonder if they made a lower wage holding the signs when men were holding the signs?”

My reply: Wrong again Judy; before every business and government agency began running scared about accusations of “discrimination” in violation of federal laws regulating the work place, the job of hold the Stop sign was rotated among the men, in shifts or days among the men doing manual labor. It was with the advent of woman’s “issues” laws that holding the sign became a fulltime job. This was done so that employers can say “see we have women on our road crews—so please don’t sue us.”

Women on average have one third less the upper body strength of men (arms, soldiers). I have no problem with women being given jobs that are less physically demanding; what I do resent is that when women get less pay for easier work they claim they are the victims of unfair discrimination, which automatically implies, or it is stated, that there is prejudicial treatment in favor ofmen.

I am tired of duel standards for critical jobs like firemen, one standard for men and an easier standard for women. Women applicants to be firemen who could not lift up a fire hose because they were too heavy or a fire ladder. What happens is there must always be men around to do the heavy work women can’t do which often results in bigger numbers of personnel to do the work. Please nobody tell me this is not true; I have talked to men who were reject for police and firemen jobs because those jobs were reserved for “minorities” and women; they knew what the standards were because they were told about them. The standards for women were lowered because very few women could perform the same as men. And employers needed the women to keep the lawyers and government off their back about so-called “discrimination.” This is what happens when the government passes laws based on vague and imprecise ideas like being “fair.” Fair to whom? Who decides? I don’t think itis fair to pay higher taxes to hire extra personnel so some woman can playfireman.

I do not know of a single man who believes a woman should not be hired to do a job if she can match the physical standards of a man. I do not know of a single man who thinks women should be paid less for doing the same job as a man


Judy you are wrong—give it a rest.

Originally Posted by csarbww

I have a previous post saying that holding the Stop signs at the end of a road repair crew is always done by a woman;

This is my reply to the following quote from Judy who responded to my earlier post.

Judy posted: “Oh my goodness. Who did those jobs before women were allowed to do them? Some pansy ass man? Did you claim they were cooking the books when males were the only ones doing those jobs? Was it considered "women'swork" when men did it? Did you wonder if they made a lower wage holding the signs when men were holding the signs?”

My reply: Wrong again Judy; before every business and government agency began running scared about accusations of “discrimination” in violation of federal laws regulating the work place, the job of hold the Stop sign was rotated among the men, in shifts or days among the men doing manual labor. It was with the advent of woman’s “issues” laws that holding the sign became a fulltime job. This was done so that employers can say “see we have women on our road crews—so please don’t sue us.”

Women on average have one third less the upper body strength of men (arms, soldiers). I have no problem with women being given jobs that are less physically demanding; what I do resent is that when women get less pay for easier work they claim they are the victims of unfair discrimination, which automatically implies, or it is stated, that there is prejudicial treatment in favor ofmen.

I am tired of duel standards for critical jobs like firemen, one standard for men and an easier standard for women. Women applicants to be firemen who could not lift up a fire hose because they were too heavy or a fire ladder. What happens is there must always be men around to do the heavy work women can’t do which often results in bigger numbers of personnel to do the work. Please nobody tell me this is not true; I have talked to men who were reject for police and firemen jobs because those jobs were reserved for “minorities” and women; they knew what the standards were because they were told about them. The standards for women were lowered because very few women could perform the same as men. And employers needed the women to keep the lawyers and government off their back about so-called “discrimination.” This is what happens when the government passes laws based on vague and imprecise ideas like being “fair.” Fair to whom? Who decides? I don’t think itis fair to pay higher taxes to hire extra personnel so some woman can playfireman.

I do not know of a single man who believes a woman should not be hired to do a job if she can match the physical standards of a man. I do not know of a single man who thinks women should be paid less for doing the same job as a man


Judy you are wrong—give it a rest.

If I was wrong, you would not be telling me I'm wrong, you would instead be supporting equal pay for equal work without argument, excuse or exception. It reminds me of people who would say they support equal rights, just not in their store. You know the ole "I reserve the right to refuse service to anyone" signs in the window. You remember that one, don't you?

It's the same with women's rights. And you need to remember, the people who pay those taxes for jobs that are reserved for ""minorities" and women", are minorities and women, not "taxpayers". What was happening before is that minorities and women were paying taxes for your jobs without receiving the same opportunity to benefit economically from the job opportunities they were funding. It's the same with the military and women are proving themselves very capable in many areas of work where before they were excluded. It's the same with the US Postal Service and UPS and so many jobs. Furthermore, when there is an adjustment to weight, load and lifting to accommodate women, they have lightened your load as well, which makes your toil easier.

I've not said and have never said that the job needs to be redefined to accommodate women, but when the job can be redefined without jeopardizing the function of the job, why not redefine it? This issue is one of equal opportunity, which I also support of course, but it is a separate matter from equal pay for equal work.

So, ""give it a rest"? Are you serious? Who are you to tell me to give anything I feel strongly about "a rest"? Is this how you think of women, that you can tell them what not to fight for to improve their lives and those of their families that also improve the lives of men everywhere in every way?! Well, let me tell you, no man in our family ever tried that and for damn good reason, too, because they know what is good for the goose is good for the gander.

When someone asks should a woman earn the same pay for the same job as a man, the answer is a very simple: Absolutely. Yet, this thread is on page 3 for the simple reason that some still do not actually fully believe that. Like I posted earlier, this issue will be resolved by the generation that is just now coming into the work force who will not tolerate "equal rights, except for if, what, when, who, where, blah, blah, blah ....." and the problems caused by those who couldn't understand struggles in which they never participated will come to an end.