Thread: Trump Says Same-Sex Marriage Is Settled Law, Abortion Isn’t

With the morning after pills and the new abortion pills. Women have many choices if they choose this route.

Yes, they sure do, posylady. Although some pro-life groups consider those to be anti-life and would ban them as well. I'm Pro-Choice, so hope things remain as they are because I firmly believe the way things are or have been is the best way it should be. But I respect my many Pro-Life friends and their views as well. I think Americans are free to believe whatever they want, the issue is where does government and its power of force come into play in these differences. As a Classic Republican who believes in personal freedoms and individual rights, I believe a pregnant girl or woman has the personal freedom and individual right to terminate an unwanted pregnancy to protect her own life and government has no right at all to force her into childbirth against her will.

The CORRUPT MEDIA is just trying to fuel the fires of discontent and divide in our nation, they're misquoting Trump on ObamaCare claiming he said he might "amend" Obamacare when he didn't say that at all. He said he might keep the prohibition of denying health insurance for pre-existing conditions and keep the idea of allowing children to remain on parents policies until they're 26, but these weren't ObamaCare ideas to start with, they were actually Republican ideas from years ago. And here on this subject, they're trying to stir up the Pro-Choice woman against Trump claiming he doesn't believe Roe V Wade is settled law, when he said it was during the campaign, and again after that interview with Chris Matthews.

So I hope my fellow Republicans stand firm against falling for these CORRUPT MEDIA ploys to create discontent. Donald Trump is pro-life and is going to appoint people to the court system who are also pro-life. But being Pro-Life in your personal life does not mean that you will vote in a court decision to overturn a ruling that for 40 years has prevented States from forcing pregnant girls and women into childbirth against their will.

We all need to focus on fixing our country by fixing the economy, bad trade deals, bringing our manufacturing back home, stopping illegal immigration, securing the borders, deporting illegal aliens, lowering taxes, passing the FairTax (my preference), taking care of our Veterans, ending these Useless Wars, making friends with Russia, eliminating nuclear weapons, especially in countries like Iran and North Korea, improving our inner cities, becoming first in the world in education at the lowest or most efficient expense, repealing and replacing Obama Care, upgrading our military and infrastructure, and bringing joy, pride, dignity, achievement, results and respect back to the American White House.

We all need to UNITE on these important issues, leave aside the personal views on very personal private issues, and be our OWN FORCE against a CORRUPT MEDIA that after all these years I now see as one of the vilest and biggest participants in the decline and demise of our nation and citizens.

This is a UNIQUE one-time shot in our lifetimes and probably for several generations to come to actually make our government what it should be for our country for our citizens. It should be our home, our sanctuary, our protector, our safe haven. It should be where we live in peace and security, where we work and earn in ways and means with incomes that support US and our families, where our unemployment and soup lines are empty because everyone who needs and wants a job, has one, where our streets are free of homeless people, and homeless shelters are some awful relic from a dark past, where inner city ghettos are something we only see in old pictures if anyone even bothered to take pictures of them, and if asked "where's the hood", no one knows because there aren't any "hoods" any more, where when some foreign socialist wants to rant about the "immigrant community", everyone laughs because we no longer have "immigrant communities", only isolated unorganized individual immigrants who have come here to be part of the American Community.

So much to do, so little time. There is no time for any of US to let the CORRUPT MEDIA bog us down with disputes over personal issues like who can marry or be forced into childbirth against their will.

"DRAINING THE SWAMP" actually starts with draining the power of the CORRUPT MEDIA and refuting their LIES.

Trump now has 15 million people signed up on his Twitter Account, plus no telling how many like me who read his Twitter but does not sign up. On election day, he had 13.8 million.

He had an outstanding interview tonight on 60 Minutes. Anyone who missed it, needs to find a replay of it.

Donald Trump will be one of the most effective, most appreciated, most respected and most adored Presidents in US History, and our children, grandchildren and great grandchildren will owe their lives and well-being to this man and the tens of millions of Trump Supporters who figured it out early, saw through the noise and lies, and against all odds, elected Donald Trump our 45th President of the United States.

I remember when abortion was illegal. It was a different time. Society did not accept having a child out of wedlock. Being a unwed mother was so terrific that woman were willing to risk their lives going to Mexico or back alley quacks to have abortions. Girls were dying.

Then there were medical complications. Situations where it was either the baby or the mothers life.

I watched and listened to the debate over abortion. I remember that it was about saving the lives of woman. We were told that it would be early term abortions unless it was the matter of life or death to the mother.

It was never supposed to be simply about "a woman has the right to decide about her body".

And if Roe V Wade is overturned, it will be the same thing over again, no difference. Girls and women who want to terminate an unwanted pregnancy either because they're unmarried, not ready, too young, already have children, can't afford a child or another child, are in high school, college or working and aren't in a position they want to be in when they start a family, don't want a child by the man who impregnated them, don't want to risk their lives in childbirth, it's all the same. This has been the issue for thousands of years. Roe V Wade found a legal solution on the side it should have, the pregnant girl or woman, and hopefully, that solution will remain intact for girls and women in the United States. When we look back over history and the dark ages, there were always reasons to impose on individuals for the benefit of a religion or state or something of the kind. Hopefully Americans have moved out of that thinking far enough as a whole never to return to it.

I sure hope so.

I still say late term abortions should be outlawed unless it comes down to a choice between the mother or baby's life. Any decision to have an abortion should be made sooner, not later. I can understand some of the circumstances and reasoning behind early stage abortions, but it's beyond me how anyone could even consider aborting a healthy 7-8 month old baby.

In my opinion, we have killed too many wonderful people through abortion. People who would have done great things and who would have loved and been loved. So sad.

Late term abortions and to kill a baby just before it is delivered doesn't speak well of us as human beings, created by God.

The debate about abortion is really about birth control and the Catholic Church's prohibitions against it. The power of the Catholic Church to create and sustain the narrative about abortion continue to obscure its continuing loss of authority in this matter. The Pill, the birth control hormone treatment that so many women use induces menstruation even when an egg is fertilized. It aborts the fertilized egg that would otherwise mature, to first an embryo, then a fetus which then matures to the point where it is born to become an infant. This is abortion to those opposed to abortion on moral grounds.

RU486 and other such morning after pills apply the same principles outside the scheduled regimen of the birth control pills except that the dosage and maybe the hormone itself are not preventative, but are introduced after the pregnancy is detected. For "Pro Life" advocates, there is no significant difference. Inducing menstruation after a pregnancy has been detected is more problematic to the biology of the woman, the more developed the embryo, the more complicated is the resumption of menstruation. There is lot more tissue involved and the medical consequences are increasingly risky. The more developed the embryo, the more developed is the supporting cardiovascular structure linking the woman's biology to the tissue of the embryo or fetus. I don't know the details of allowed applications of the morning after pill, but after a certain level of development in the fetus, it might be too risky to try to induce menstruation. After a certain point, what you are really doing is inducing a miscarriage. A physical abortion where the physician actually applies a vacuum or something to the contents of the uterus might be safer.

But the point remains, morning after pills take abortion away from the control of the state because no doctor is involved. If this becomes a state's issue so that abortion is outlawed in these states, then it is more likely that morning after pills will cross state lines then women will.

And late term abortions are a straw dog to the issue. The only time late term abortions recommended by physicians is the well know case of prenatal hydrocephalus where the head of the fetus becomes swollen and hardened with fluid so that trying to pass it out of the woman's vagina becomes a threat to the woman's health and reproductive tissue. Otherwise, the only real safe thing to do for the woman who is this advanced in a pregnancy is to give birth.

I think Trump will favor reversing federal intrusions into states rights, or otherwise seek to allow states greater latitude.

pkskyali wrote (excerpt):

And late term abortions are a straw dog to the issue. The only time late term abortions recommended by physicians is the well know case of prenatal hydrocephalus where the head of the fetus becomes swollen and hardened with fluid so that trying to pass it out of the woman's vagina becomes a threat to the woman's health and reproductive tissue. Otherwise, the only real safe thing to do for the woman who is this advanced in a pregnancy is to give birth.

Nothing about late-term abortions are "straw dog" in the argument. Regardless of what doctors recommend, they are still happening regularly. Some women have them simply because of relationship breakups.

Originally Posted by MW

pkskyali wrote (excerpt):

Nothing about late-term abortions are "straw dog" in the argument. Regardless of what doctors recommend, they are still happening regularly. Some women have them simply because of relationship breakups.

What is "late term" to you? How many months? I am talking about "partial birth abortions", the holy, bloody shirt of the anti-abortionists.