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    Trump on rally protester: ‘Maybe he should have been roughed up’

    By Jenna Johnson and Mary Jordan November 22 at 3:29 PM
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    Trump to black activist: 'Get him the hell out of here'

    At a campaign event in Birmingham, Ala., on Saturday, Nov. 21, Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump demands the removal of a well-known activist Mercutio Southall Jr. after he shouts, "Black lives matter!" (Reuters)

    BIRMINGHAM, Ala. — Donald Trump said Sunday that the protester who interrupted his rally at a convention center here on Saturday morning was “so obnoxious and so loud” that “maybe he should have been roughed up.”

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    Mercutio Southall Jr. — a well-known local activist who has been repeatedly arrested while fighting what he says is unfair treatment of blacks — interrupted Trump’s rally and could be heard shouting, “Black lives matter!” A fight broke out, prompting Trump to briefly halt his remarks and demand the removal of Southall.

    “Get him the hell out of here, will you, please?” Trump said on Saturday morning. “Get him out of here. Throw him out!”


    At one point, Southall fell to the ground and was surrounded by several white men who appeared to be kicking and punching him, according to video captured by CNN. A Washington Post reporter in the crowd watched as one of the men put his hands on Southall’s neck and heard a female onlooker repeatedly shout: “Don’t choke him!”


    As security officers got Southall on his feet and led him out of the building, he was repeatedly pushed and shoved by people in the crowd. The crowd alternated between booing and cheering. There were chants of “All lives matter!”


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    “Maybe he should have been roughed up, because it was absolutely disgusting what he was doing,” Trump said on the Fox News Channel on Sunday morning. “I have a lot of fans, and they were not happy about it. And this was a very obnoxious guy who was a trouble-maker who was looking to make trouble.”

    That was a change in tone from just a month ago, when Trump would regularly tell his audiences not to harm the protesters who often infiltrate his rallies.


    “Don’t hurt ’em,” Trump said at a rally in Miami on Oct. 23 as pro-immigration activists were led out. “You can get ’em out, but don’t hurt ’em.”


    Black Lives Matter members grab microphone from Bernie Sanders


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    Members of the Black Lives Matter Seattle chapter took the stage and forced Bernie Sanders to the side at an event in Seattle. One of the women, Marissa Janae Johnson, asked the crowd to “join us now in holding Bernie Sanders accountable” for not doing enough to address police brutality.


    The Republican front-runner has long made provocative statements a hallmark of his campaign. Critics and rivals have said that Trump is stoking racial tension. Former Florida governor Jeb Bush said Trump’s comments about Islam are “manipulating people’s angst and their fears.”

    Saturday’s racially charged altercation occurred in Birmingham, famous in the 1960s as a center of the civil rights struggle. The thousands who attended Trump’s rally were nearly all white in a city with a black majority.


    Southall told the AL.com news site that the commotion started as he began recording himself and other protesters at the rally and saying that he wanted “Donald Trump to know he’s not welcome here.” Southall said someone knocked the phone out of his hand and made a racial slur. Then there was pushing and punches started flying, Southall told the news site.


    A swarm of security officers quickly made their way through the crowd of several thousand, got Southall off the ground and walked him out of the building. Trump has had Secret Service protection since Nov. 11, and those who attend his rallies and political events must now walk through metal detectors and have their bags searched.


    “He was so obnoxious and so loud, he was screaming,” Trump recounted in the Fox News interview on Sunday.

    “I had 10,000 people in the room yesterday, 10,000 people, and this guy started screaming by himself.”


    As Southall was removed Saturday, Trump recounted how Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders responded to Black Lives Matter activists who came onstage during an event earlier this year.


    “You see, he was politically correct,” Trump said. “Two young women came up to the podium. They took over his microphone. I promise you, that’s not going to happen with me. I promise you. Never going to happen. Not going to happen. Can’t let that stuff happen.”


    Before the fight broke out, Trump had warned the audience that Islamic State fighters might recruit their children online and called for an impenetrable wall along the southern border, prompting the crowd to chant: “Build a wall! Build a wall! Build a wall!” In his nearly hour-long speech, Trump listed graphic details of killings committed by people who had entered the country illegally, promised to bar Syrian refugees from living in the United States because they might be terrorists and called for heavy surveillance of “certain mosques.”


    “I want surveillance of these people that are coming in, the Trojan horse. I want to know who the hell they are,” Trump said. “I don’t want the people from Syria coming in, because we don’t know who they are. We don’t know who they are. And I don’t want them coming in.”


    Trump also said he watched as “thousands and thousands of people” in New Jersey cheered the fall of the World Trade Center on Sept. 11, 2001, giving the impression that he was talking about Muslims living in the United States being happy that so many Americans died in the attacks. Officials have repeatedly debunked these rumors. Trump stood by his comments during an interview on ABC News on Sunday, saying that the cheers came from the “large Arab populations” in New Jersey.


    “It did happen. I saw it,” Trump said. “It was on television. I saw it.”


    From the media area, reporters strained to see what was happening Saturday at the Trump event here in Birmingham. As CNN reporter Jeremy Diamond managed to make a video of the incident before Trump staff forced him back into the media pen. As the video circulated on social media that night, some of Trump’s supporters took to Twitter to call the protesters “thugs,” “Dem plants” and a variety of obscene names. Several wrote that the protesters opened themselves up to the possibility of violence by attending the rally.


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    Trump grew agitated as reporters shifted their focus to the protesters and away from him and his thousands of supporters.


    “Look at those bloodsuckers back there,” Trump said. “They’re turned around, and they’re following the people, right? Because you have a small group of people that made some noise and are being thrown out on their ass. Right?”


    The crowd roared with cheers.

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    From that video I couldn't make out whether or not anyone was being punched or kicked. At least one of the men surrounding him was black.

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    Man Beaten And Choked At Trump Rally Pursuing Charges Against His Attackers

    BY ALICE OLLSTEIN NOV 25, 2015 11:54AM

    CREDIT: AP PHOTO/ERIC SCHULTZ
    Mercutio Southall is removed by security as Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump speaks during a campaign stop Saturday, Nov. 21, 2015 in Birmingham, AL.

    Black Lives Matter activist Mercutio Southall, who was choked and beaten Saturday by Donald Trump supporters in Birmingham, Alabama, is exploring legal action against both his attackers and Trump himself.

    “He has to bear at least a moral responsibility,” Southall’s attorney David Gespass told ThinkProgress, noting that they are still investigating what “tangible legal grounds” they could use to sue the frontrunner GOP candidate. “If someone is aiding and abetting an offense, they are equally responsible for it. The question is whether Trump telling his supporters, ‘Get him the hell out of here’ qualifies. I recognize that it could be a stretch, and I’d be surprised the authorities would agree to criminal liability, but it would warm the cockles of my heart.”


    Gespass added that legal authorities should look beyond Trump’s behavior during this one particular incident and examine the larger pattern of how he has responded to his fans injuring protesters and other people of color.


    In August, after two men cited Trump as their inspiration for beating and urinating on a 58-year-old homeless Latino man, the candidate responded: “I will say, the people that are following me are very passionate.” After a supporter at a previous Alabama rally shouted “white power” multiple times within earshot of the stage, Trump told CNN that the attendees “were very receptive to the message of ‘making America great again,’ because they want to be proud to be Americans again.”

    After Southall was kicked, choked, and punched by Trump supporters, the candidate told the hosts of Fox & Friends that Southall deserved what he got.


    He appeals to the most racist and xenophobic instincts of white America.
    “Maybe he should have been roughed up,” Trump said. “It was disgusting what he was doing…This was a very obnoxious guy, a troublemaker, looking to make trouble.” Whether all of these remarks translate into civil or criminal liability for Trump remains to be seen, but Gespass is hoping for some measure of accountability.

    “If not, it is going to keep happening,” he warned. “Already, Trump has gone from kind of separating himself from the incidents to now actually justifying them. If that trajectory continues, this is going to become more and more dangerous. He appeals to the most racist and xenophobic instincts of white America and he recognizes that’s what he’s doing and he’s pandering to it.”


    As for the men seen kicking and dragging Southall in a video of the incident, Gespass said the racial slurs they shouted — including “n*****” and “monkey” — could elevate the charges to a felony hate crime.


    “The problem in this case is that we don’t know the identity of any of the people who assaulted Mercutio,” he said, noting that they would need help from the police, who have so far declined to bring charges against the assailants. Birmingham Police spokesperson Lt. Sean Edwards has told reporters he considers Southall “an agitator from day one.”


    If they determined he was so disruptive that he needed to be removed, that’s a question for security personnel, not mob action.
    “The police have the video,” Gespass noted. “But because of the disparaging things they’ve said about Mercutio, we have no great faith they’re going to take him seriously.”

    As for the suggestion made by Trump and conservative pundits over the past few days that Southall deserved to be “roughed up” because he interrupted the rally, Gespass emphasized: “He was simply presenting another point of view, one [Trump’s] supporters frankly need to hear and understand. And if they determined he was so disruptive that he needed to be removed, that’s a question for security personnel, not mob action.”

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    I'm not surprised by this at all. The supporters made a mistake attacking the protester, they should have waited for security, and Trump made a mistake suggesting maybe he should have been "roughed up". That's not the right message. Trump had earlier said about protesters, "get them out of here, but don't hurt them." That is the right message, and one he needs to stick with.
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