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    Court rulings still outweigh comments posted on the internet.
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    And there is still the fact that just because certain judges in certain courts ruled in certain ways, does not mean the judges who ruled were correct in their decisions. This article gives some background to the problem of what some judges are doing(and the fact that some are doing it in contempt and defiance of the founders wishes doesn't make it right) http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2006/j.../?mobile=false

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    NATURAL BORN DEFINITION

    The Congressional Research Service
    declared that the practical, legal meaning of "natural born citizen" would "most likely include" not only anyone born on U.S. soil but anyone born overseas of at least one parent who was a U.S. citizen.


    http://www.alipac.us/f19/natural-bor...tution-253053/
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    Another source to consider, on what the founders specifically meant by the term natural born citizen http://birthers.org/USC/Vattel.html

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    You can post anything you want on the internet

    and the Court Ruling will still stand

    because comments posted on the internet have no legal standing.
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    And you can post anything you want that support's your point of view as well. I'm not questioning how courts have ruled, so I don't see the point in repeating how courts have ruled, when that is not in question. I'm definitely questioning whether they made a ruling that the founders of this country would have agreed with. A pro-illegal immigration activist judge could rule tomorrow that an illegal alien is eligible to become president, and come up with whatever twisted logic to support that ruling, but that doesn't mean I should go out and vote for that candidate because an activist judge said he was eligible.

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    SUPREME COURT WON'T HEAR TED CRUZ'S "BIRTHER" CASE

    BY RAQUEL REICHARD
    JUNE 2, 2016 • 12:07PM


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    Another “birther” effort to prevent Ted Cruz from a U.S. presidency bites the dust.

    On Tuesday, the Supreme Court declined a request to hear a lawsuit challenging the former Republican presidential contender from running for commander in chief because he was born in Canada.


    The man behind the suit is Walter Wagner, a retired Utah attorney who argued that because Cruz was born across our northern border, he is not a "natural born citizen" and, thus, cannot run for president. However, much like the legal experts who responded to similar birther cries throughout the Texas Senator's now-defunct campaign, SCOTUS noted there was no basis for Wagner's dispute, upholding a lower court ruling earlier this year.


    According to Fox News Latino, on a whole, most judges agree that Cruz is a natural-born citizen because his mother is American, making him eligible to run for U.S. president. Common-law precedent and statutory history holds that anyone born to a U.S. citizen, regardless of where, qualifies.


    MORE: Donald Trump Says Ted Cruz is Not a Natural Born Citizen


    Despite the ongoing debate, Cruz dropped out of the race on May 3 and has said that he will run for re-election to his senate seat in 2018.

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    So what did we learn here boys and girls?

    No matter how long you beat that dead horse the court ruling still stands

    because posting personal opinions and comments on the internet has no affect on court rulings

    or anything else.
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    I don't think you told me anything of any great importance that I didn't already know. However, I think we learned you seem to feel the need to get the last word in and keep repeating things that don't need to be repeated, such as how activist judges have ruled on Ted Cruz, and how you don't seem to care that they made rulings which the founders would not agree with. You don't seem to understand, that we know how the courts have ruled(so please stop repeating it as it serves no purpose and seems designed to shut down any debate about it), but that doesn't mean that discussing how the rulings were wrong is somehow going to change the activist judge's mind's and make them reverse their ruling(but hopefully a judge in the mold of scalia will make a correct ruling on the natural born citizens issue at at some point down the road and give his reasoning why previous activist judges were wrong on the issue). There is merit in discussing how the activist judges ruled incorrectly, and letting other people see what the reasoning is, why the judges were wrong. Discussing this issue is not intended to somehow magically reverse the ruling. That said, it's important to be able to discuss issues without someone stepping in who keeps repeating himself in an apparent attempt to shut down any further debate. I apologize if I'm mistaken, but that is how it seems to me. It seems you simply don't want any discussion about how the judges were wrong, perhaps that's why you seemingly feel the need to discourage any debate about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Searcher932 View Post
    . . . how the judges were wrong . . .
    If the judges are wrong you and I discussing it for all eternity will have no affect on the ruling, and if the judges are right you and I discussing it for all eternity will still have no affect on the ruling because they don't care what we think and neither of us is a Supreme Court Justice so we can overturn their decision either way.

    So it seems like a waste of time to keep discussing it forever.
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