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    All bets are on, we can pretty much all predict this one, they will give in to Mexico in order to get this guy back, and he will not face the amount of judgement that he SHOULD face for this horrific crime.

    As well, he may have been one of those kids brought across the border when he was tiny, and his parents raised him here, making somewhat of a paper trail for him through the school system, thus appearing that he was a citizen and was allowed into the Marines, and given more security clearance than he should EVER have had.

    Now, it appears from all of the reports so far, that he is headed to Mexico and knows how the extradition works, knowing he can get Mexico to pull for him to get off easy, then, if it is not predictable enough, he might use his claims to be a citizen of Mexico (having been born there maybe?) to attempt to have his extradition be blocked.

    I guess it is all a guessing game for now, and we can only wait and see, but we need to clamp down on stories such as this, as this is a prime example of how lax our government has been, and the troubles it creates for citizens. This needs to be highlighted. BTW, Edie Hill and Sheppard Smith (both of Fox news) have both talked about it, and brought up the issue of him heading towrds Mexico and the difficulty in getting him back for prosecution, I hope with all of the current information we can press Lou Dobbs to focus on this, and help to get this information out.

    BTW, although we are currently focusing on this man, his questionable beginnings (citizen or not?), we also need to not forget the lives he has destroyed and those around those lives who have been devastated by these TWO deaths.
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    This just came in my email. If true, this is big news. It might explain the strange missing information about this marine. Can anyone research this for us?

    Didja hear the one about the missing U.S. Marine ?

    It seems that he had this wife and two kids.

    It seems he also had a girl-friend, also a U.S. Marine.

    It seems that the girl-friend was more than 8-months pregnant.

    It seems that, many months ago, the girl-friend got a Retraining Order from the military at Camp Lejeune, Jacksonville, N C – against her boy-friend.

    It also seems that the military allowed the two to continue to work in the same area on the base – although she had filed charges of rape against him.

    And then, it seems that the lady-Marine disappeared.

    It seems that the male-Marine subsequently also disappeared.

    Then it seems that the lady-Marine's burnt body turned up, buried in the boy-friend-Marine's back yard – where the burnt fetus was also found – having never left the mother's body.

    It seems that the inside of the guy-Marine's home showed evidence of a bloody battle.

    It seems that the lady-Marine died from a blow-to-the-head from a blunt something.

    It seems that the guy-Marine's pickup truck was found today (15 Jan 200, parked near the Raleigh-Durham airport.

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    Oh, almost forgot to mention – the guy-Marine has family residing in Mexico.

    And… his parents, illegal aliens (Mexican nationals) both, reside in Las Vegas, NV.

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    And… our guy-Marine is a Mexican National – with a bad temper, it seems. (reported by Fox News)

    Yes, this is certainly amazing.


    Where is he today ? Mexico ?

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    Just good-hearted folks looking for a better life.
    Calderon was absolutely right when he said...."Where there is a Mexican, there is Mexico".

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    Yup, he's an illegal allright. In the military you have to have a "home of record". They knew good and well where he was hatched.
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    Been a TV news story here in Atlanta fro about a week. I can't seem to find it on the net. I heard it twice.

    A 17 year old day laborer, last name Salvador, broke into a woman's home, and terrorized and raped her all night, his weapon was an Ax.

    This is what sticks in my mind....."He is known by many at the Day laborer waiting post, but this crime is in no way related to his status."

    My guess is he is illegal, and I think if he were back in his on country, it would have never happened.

    How could a reporter even say something like that, How would they know anything about this guy??

    The media is so strange and vague when reporting these crimes of hispanics and illegals.
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    Was searching and found this link with an article, in Spanish, apparently from Pueblo Mexico (does his family hail from there?). This article, which I cannot translate, apparently is similar info that we have, however, they saw fit to publish it in Mexico???... Does anyone here have the ability to translate?
    Ofrecen en EU recompensa por militar hispano acusado de asesinato
    Notimex / La Jornada On Line

    César Armando Laurean RamÃ*rez está acusado de asesinar el pasado 12 de enero a su colega, MarÃ*a Lauterbach, de 20 años.

    Washington. La Oficina Federal de Investigaciones (FBI) ofreció este lunes 25 mil dólares de recompensa por la captura de un militar estadunidense nacido en México acusado de
    asesinar a una soldado embarazada.

    El infante de Marina César Armando Laurean RamÃ*rez, quien consiguió la ciudadanÃ*a estadunidense en 2003, está acusado de asesinar el pasado 12 de enero a su colega, MarÃ*a Lauterbach, de 20 años, quien tenÃ*a ocho meses de embarazo.

    Laurean RamÃ*rez, de 21 años, también identificado como "César Gudino" y "César Sánchez", mide 1.74 metros de estatura, pesa 72 kilogramos, tiene ojos color marrón, pelo negro y es hispano, según un comunicado de la FBI.

    Los restos calcinados presumiblemente de Lauterbach, quien estaba reportada como desaparecida desde el 14 de diciembre de 2007, asÃ* como del feto fueron recuperados en una fosa poco profunda en el patio de una residencia de Laurean en Jacksonville, Carolina del Norte.

    Antes de huir, Laurean dejó una nota en la que admitió que enterró a la mujer y al feto, pero dijo que Lauterbach se habÃ*a suicidado cortándose el cuello. La nota fue entregada por la esposa del infante de Marina, Christina Laurean, madre de un niño de año y
    medio.

    El alguacil del condado de Onslow, en Carolina del Norte, Ed Brown cuestionó los argumentos sobre el suicidio debido a que hay pruebas de una lucha violenta en la casa de Laurean, como rastros de sangre en las paredes y el techo, asÃ* como un esfuerzo para
    borrarlas.

    De acuerdo con las autoridades policiales, Lauterbach habÃ*a acusado a Laurean de violación pero se le dejó en libertad por semanas, en parte debido a que la madre de la soldado indicó que su hija tenÃ*a un historial de mentiras y sufrÃ*a de una enfermedad
    mental.

    El fiscal del condado de Onslow, Dewey Hudson, dijo que no se puede concluir que Lauterbach haya sido violada mientras se investiga el presunto abuso sexual. Sin embargo, Peter Steiner, tÃ*o de Lauterbach, dijo el fin de semana que su sobrina fue presionada para
    no poner cargos de violación en Camp Lejeune.

    El agente de la FBI, Nathan Gray, dijo por su parte en un comunicado que se utilizarán "todos los recursos de la FBI para llevar justicia luego de la muerte de la joven infante de Marina y de su hijo no nacido".

    Las autoridades han pedido a las personas que conozcan el paradero de César Armando Laurean RamÃ*rez, que contacten a la policÃ*a local, las oficinas de la FBI o la embajada o consulado estadunidense más cercano.

    Laurean, quien estaba asignado a Camp Lejeune, en Carolina del Norte, estarÃ*a manejando una camioneta de cuatro puertas Dodge Ram 2004, de color negro, con la placa de Carolina del Norte TRR1522.

    Las policÃ*a investiga reportes acerca de que el vehÃ*culo de Laurean fue visto en el área de Durham, en Carolina del Norte, donde también se encontró una tarjeta de cajero automático en un paradero de bus.

    Las autoridades consideran que el sospechoso "está armado y es peligroso" pero no ha confirmado reportes que indican que Laurean viajaba hacia Texas desde la localidad de Shreveport, en el estado de Louisiana.

    http://www.jornada.unam.mx/ultimas/2008 ... -asesinato
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    Here you go William, this is one thing which does talk about his status here.

    Cesar Armando Laurean
    Date of Birth: 11/13/1986
    Place of Birth: Guadalajara, Mexico
    Sex: Male
    Race: Caucasian
    Height: 5'9"
    Weight: 190 pounds
    Eye Color: Brown
    Hair Color: Black
    Complexion:
    Scars/Tattoos:
    Aliases: Laurean-Ramirez, Cesar
    Branch of Service: USMC
    Warrant No.: W023667827
    NCIS CASE No.: 08JAN08-CALE-0011-7HMA/14JAN08-CALE-0015-7FMA
    SID No.:

    Cesar Armando LAUREAN

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    Wanted For: First Degree Murder and Credit Card Fraud
    Background: LAUREAN is wanted in connection with the homicide of a female Marine and her unborn child. Last confirmed sighting was in the early morning hours of 11Jan08 in the Jacksonville, NC, area. LAUREAN is a naturalized U.S. citizen. His immediate family is in the Las Vegas area, but he has extended family in the Guadalajara, Mexico area. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    If whereabouts are known, please contact the nearest NCIS office or call NCIS Headquarters at (800) 543-6289 or e-mail us at fugitives@ncis.navy.mil.
    Last Updated: 1/14/2008



    http://www.ncis.navy.mil/WantedDetails.asp?Id=221

    The Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA), also Simpson-Mazzoli Act (Pub.L. 99-603, 100 Stat. 3359, signed by President Ronald Reagan on November 6, 1986) is an Act of Congress which reformed United States immigration law. The Act made it illegal to knowingly hire or recruit unauthorized aliens (illegal immigrants who do not possess lawful work authorization), required employers to attest to their employees' immigration status, and granted amnesty to unauthorized aliens who entered the United States before January 1, 1982 and had resided there continuously.

    My brain at this point has shutdown (with the smell of Playdoh in the background) so I am trying to surmise, if the amnesty was enacted November 6th 1986, and this guy was born in Mexico in that year, but after the amnesty, and his parents WERE not here before Jan. 1, 1982, then how did they get the amnesty, and how did he become naturalized? This would be the next bit-o-info to find.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmericanElizabeth
    Was searching and found this link with an article, in Spanish, apparently from Pueblo Mexico (does his family hail from there?). This article, which I cannot translate, apparently is similar info that we have, however, they saw fit to publish it in Mexico???... Does anyone here have the ability to translate?
    Ofrecen en EU recompensa por militar hispano acusado de asesinato
    Notimex / La Jornada On Line

    César Armando Laurean RamÃ*rez está acusado de asesinar el pasado 12 de enero a su colega, MarÃ*a Lauterbach, de 20 años.

    Washington. La Oficina Federal de Investigaciones (FBI) ofreció este lunes 25 mil dólares de recompensa por la captura de un militar estadunidense nacido en México acusado de
    asesinar a una soldado embarazada.

    El infante de Marina César Armando Laurean RamÃ*rez, quien consiguió la ciudadanÃ*a estadunidense en 2003, está acusado de asesinar el pasado 12 de enero a su colega, MarÃ*a Lauterbach, de 20 años, quien tenÃ*a ocho meses de embarazo.

    Laurean RamÃ*rez, de 21 años, también identificado como "César Gudino" y "César Sánchez", mide 1.74 metros de estatura, pesa 72 kilogramos, tiene ojos color marrón, pelo negro y es hispano, según un comunicado de la FBI.

    Los restos calcinados presumiblemente de Lauterbach, quien estaba reportada como desaparecida desde el 14 de diciembre de 2007, asÃ* como del feto fueron recuperados en una fosa poco profunda en el patio de una residencia de Laurean en Jacksonville, Carolina del Norte.

    Antes de huir, Laurean dejó una nota en la que admitió que enterró a la mujer y al feto, pero dijo que Lauterbach se habÃ*a suicidado cortándose el cuello. La nota fue entregada por la esposa del infante de Marina, Christina Laurean, madre de un niño de año y
    medio.

    El alguacil del condado de Onslow, en Carolina del Norte, Ed Brown cuestionó los argumentos sobre el suicidio debido a que hay pruebas de una lucha violenta en la casa de Laurean, como rastros de sangre en las paredes y el techo, asÃ* como un esfuerzo para
    borrarlas.

    De acuerdo con las autoridades policiales, Lauterbach habÃ*a acusado a Laurean de violación pero se le dejó en libertad por semanas, en parte debido a que la madre de la soldado indicó que su hija tenÃ*a un historial de mentiras y sufrÃ*a de una enfermedad
    mental.

    El fiscal del condado de Onslow, Dewey Hudson, dijo que no se puede concluir que Lauterbach haya sido violada mientras se investiga el presunto abuso sexual. Sin embargo, Peter Steiner, tÃ*o de Lauterbach, dijo el fin de semana que su sobrina fue presionada para
    no poner cargos de violación en Camp Lejeune.

    El agente de la FBI, Nathan Gray, dijo por su parte en un comunicado que se utilizarán "todos los recursos de la FBI para llevar justicia luego de la muerte de la joven infante de Marina y de su hijo no nacido".

    Las autoridades han pedido a las personas que conozcan el paradero de César Armando Laurean RamÃ*rez, que contacten a la policÃ*a local, las oficinas de la FBI o la embajada o consulado estadunidense más cercano.

    Laurean, quien estaba asignado a Camp Lejeune, en Carolina del Norte, estarÃ*a manejando una camioneta de cuatro puertas Dodge Ram 2004, de color negro, con la placa de Carolina del Norte TRR1522.

    Las policÃ*a investiga reportes acerca de que el vehÃ*culo de Laurean fue visto en el área de Durham, en Carolina del Norte, donde también se encontró una tarjeta de cajero automático en un paradero de bus.

    Las autoridades consideran que el sospechoso "está armado y es peligroso" pero no ha confirmado reportes que indican que Laurean viajaba hacia Texas desde la localidad de Shreveport, en el estado de Louisiana.

    http://www.jornada.unam.mx/ultimas/2008 ... -asesinato
    Translated from Bable fish.
    They offer in EU compensates by Hispanic military man accused of Notimex murder/the Day On Line Caesar Arming Honors Ramirez is accused to the past assassinate 12 of January to their colleague, Maria Lauterbach, of 20 years. Washington. The Federal Office of Investigaciones (FBI) offered east Monday 25 thousand dollars of compensates by the capture of a estadunidense military man born in accused Mexico to assassinate an pregnant soldier. The infant of Navy Caesar Arming Honors Ramirez, who obtained the estadunidense citizenship in 2003, is accused to the past assassinate 12 of January to their colleague, Maria Lauterbach, of 20 years, that had eight months of pregnancy. They honor Ramirez, of 21 years, also identified like "Caesar Gudino" and "Caesar Sanchez", measures 1,74 meters of stature, weighs 72 kilograms, has eyes brown color, black hair and is Hispanic, according to an official notice of the FBI. The presumably calcined rest of Lauterbach, that were reported like missing from the 14 of December of 2007, as well as of the fetus were recovered in a little deep grave in the patio of a residence of Honor in Jacksonville, Carolina of the North. Before fleeing, They honor left a note in which it admitted that it buried to the woman and the fetus, but said that Lauterbach had committed suicide cutting the neck. The note was given by the wife of the infant of Navy, Christina Laurean, mother of a year boy and means. The bailiff of the county of Onslow, in Carolina of the North, Ed Brown questioned the arguments on the suicide because there are tests of a violent fight in the house of Honor, like signs of blood in the walls and the ceiling, as well as a effort to erase them. In agreement with the police authorities, Lauterbach had blamed Honor of violation but it left itself him in freedom per weeks, partly because the mother of the soldier indicated that her daughter had a file of lies and suffered of a mental disease. The public prosecutor of the county of Onslow, Dewey the Hudson, said that it is not possible to be concluded that Lauterbach has been violated while the presumed sexual abuse is investigated. Nevertheless, Peter Steiner, uncle of Lauterbach, said the weekend that her niece was pressed not to put positions of violation in Camp Lejeune. The agent of the FBI, Nathan Gray, said on the other hand in an official notice that will be used "all the resources of the FBI to take justice after the death of the young infant of Navy and its son nonbeen born". The authorities have asked the people who know the whereabouts Caesar Arming Honor the Ramirez, who contact the local police, the offices of the FBI or the embassy or estadunidense consulate closest. They honor, who was assigned to Camp Lejeune, in Carolina of the North, would be handling a light truck of four doors Dodge ram 2004, of black color, with the plate of Carolina of North TRR1522. The police investigates reports about which the vehicle of Honors was seen in the area of Durham, in Carolina of the North, where also was a card of automatic teller in bus whereabouts. The authorities consider that the suspect "is armed and is dangerous" but has not confirmed reports that they indicate that They honor traveled towards Texas from the locality of Shreveport, in the state of Louisiana.

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    A Marine that's a murdering illegal alien. WOW!

    Watch how the MSM sweeps this under their nasty rug.

    The Marines let this happen...they own this.

    The FBI let him go...they own this.

    Bush, Kennedy, McCain, Huckabee, Guiliani, The Clintons and all Democrats, attract, love and protect these criminals...they own this.


    I feel so secure now.
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    Aliases: Cesar Gudino, Cesar Sanchez, Cesar Armando Laurean Ramirez
    MY HUNCH IS THAT HE IS AN ILLEGAL ALIEN. What other reason would he need to go by 3 different names? Plus, they don't even have a date of birth.

    This crime was horrendeous. That woman was carrying a full grown fetus. That means he killed 2 people.

    I HOPE THEY CATCH THE SLEEZY SNAKE AND GIVE HIM THE WORST KIND OF PUNISHMENT ALLOWED BY LAW.
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